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Posted: 6/6/2015 8:24:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/6/2015 8:56:36 PM EDT by TaylorWSO]
I started from a canning pot and extract kits. Now I buy hops buy the pound (usually 5-6 lbs at a time) and grain by the bag, but Im about to start buying pallets.

Problem is I cannot mash more than 13 gallons. Normal brews have 27# of grain + water. I do 10%+ IPA's but I would like to do more.

I ferment in sankey kegs, so I can do 40 -50 gallons at time if I need to.

Basically I'm limited by a mash tun size. I currently use a sankey keg wrapped in styrofoam which holds w/n 2 degrees even in winter.

What would be a good barrel or 2 barrel mash tun?

here's current set up



the grey thing is a sankey keg wrapped in 2" stryrofoam, it now has a 2" stryrofoam lid as well
Link Posted: 6/6/2015 8:42:51 PM EDT
You could buy a stainless 55g barrel and weld on whatever fittings you want, then insulate with foam.  

I wish you were my friend
Link Posted: 6/6/2015 8:57:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Beerswimmer:
You could buy a stainless 55g barrel and weld on whatever fittings you want, then insulate with foam.  

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hmmmmmmmmm......
Link Posted: 6/7/2015 3:10:21 PM EDT
I've seen microbreweries with setups about your size.  



Megapot makes a 30 gallon pot.  Anything larger than that and you're knocking on the door of commercial brewing equipment.
Link Posted: 6/7/2015 3:29:24 PM EDT
Isn't the limit per year 200 gallons? While I'm sure the ATF reads this site I'm pretty sure they are looking for extra holes in AR lower threads, or illegal shoe lace sales... Do you want to chance it>?

Link Posted: 6/8/2015 9:28:11 AM EDT
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Isn't the limit per year 200 gallons? While I'm sure the ATF reads this site I'm pretty sure they are looking for extra holes in AR lower threads, or illegal shoe lace sales... Do you want to chance it>?

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I don't know if that's true.  If you have a statute post it, I think it is only certain states though.

I hope TaylorWSO is having big parties and giving loads of beer to friends, because if he is hitting most of that himself and "10 gallons isn't enough" he needs a 12 step program!
Link Posted: 6/8/2015 10:17:41 AM EDT
My quick looking last night says it varies by state.  GA looked like 50 gallons.



Then again, how would anyone know if you weren't distributing widely?



Interestingly, it's also typically legal for a minor to brew, but they can't pitch yeast.  
Link Posted: 6/8/2015 10:17:51 AM EDT
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I don't know if that's true.  If you have a statute post it, I think it is only certain states though.

I hope TaylorWSO is having big parties and giving loads of beer to friends, because if he is hitting most of that himself and "10 gallons isn't enough" he needs a 12 step program!
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Originally Posted By fsjdw2:
Isn't the limit per year 200 gallons? While I'm sure the ATF reads this site I'm pretty sure they are looking for extra holes in AR lower threads, or illegal shoe lace sales... Do you want to chance it>?



I don't know if that's true.  If you have a statute post it, I think it is only certain states though.

I hope TaylorWSO is having big parties and giving loads of beer to friends, because if he is hitting most of that himself and "10 gallons isn't enough" he needs a 12 step program!


It is. US CFR 25.205 http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=0e0d6143502cbb948d782dbd368dd81a&node=27:1.0.1.1.20&rgn=div5#se27.1.25_1205

(b) The production of beer per household, without payment of tax, for personal or family use may not exceed:

(1) 200 gallons per calendar year if there are two or more adults residing in the household, or
Link Posted: 6/8/2015 11:23:31 AM EDT
Could move up to commercial equipment and start a brew pub because it sounds like your wanting to get into that territory.
Link Posted: 6/8/2015 12:24:19 PM EDT
Or convert a bigass cooler into a mash tun. There are some big coolers that hold close to 30 gallons.
Link Posted: 6/8/2015 1:21:42 PM EDT

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I asked the microbrewery that was doing half barrel or full barrel brews (I forget which) about licensing from a federal perspective.  I think they said it was $3000 just to get permission to brew.  



 
Link Posted: 6/8/2015 2:38:04 PM EDT
Then you also have state and county extortion fees.
Link Posted: 6/8/2015 10:07:03 PM EDT
So, here is some googling on the topic:



https://conical-fermenter.com/Mash-Tuns/





BLAB:  It's pretty expensive to set up a brewery.
Link Posted: 6/9/2015 8:15:20 AM EDT
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Could move up to commercial equipment and start a brew pub because it sounds like your wanting to get into that territory.
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I don't think starting a brew pub is a great idea just because one likes to brew.  Brewing is probably only 25% or so of the actual daily activity of running a pub. (if that)  Better be a good businessman, manager, and service type food/beverage/restaurant operator.

Good catch on whoever posted the 200 gallon rule above!  I had always seen hearsay but never seen it confirmed (federally)...not something I would worry terribly about if OP is not selling any beer though to be honest, YMMV.

Link Posted: 6/9/2015 6:11:09 PM EDT
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Isn't the limit per year 200 gallons? While I'm sure the ATF reads this site I'm pretty sure they are looking for extra holes in AR lower threads, or illegal shoe lace sales... Do you want to chance it>?

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well that didnt' take long to be accused of a fellon.



In 3 years Ive only gotten to 435 gallons. and Im well aware of the restrictions

even with a 30 gall tun, brewing a avg of .8 a month, you only hit 200 gallons.




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to hell with that, its all mine

I want a bigger gear so I can spend less time doing it.

It takes 3 hours to brew 5 gallons

It take 3 hrs to brew 10 gallons

it will also take 3 hours to brew 20 gallons (maybe a little more with longer sparges but you get the idea).

I would like to spend 1 day to get better results and not give up every other weekend. I also dont like to get behind which is a problem

Link Posted: 6/9/2015 6:17:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Beerswimmer:
Or convert a bigass cooler into a mash tun. There are some big coolers that hold close to 30 gallons.
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I want something better than a cooler. My tun will only deviate 1-2 degrees in the winter. In the summer it doesn't change.


I can recirculate but I would rather not and the IPAs I brew don't require a step. I have all my numbers down and hit my temps with 2 degrees. A well insulated SS vessel just works alot better IMO.
Link Posted: 6/9/2015 6:19:35 PM EDT
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So, here is some googling on the topic:

https://conical-fermenter.com/Mash-Tuns/


BLAB:  It's pretty expensive to set up a brewery.
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Thats what I want to avoid. a 30 gallon tank w/o insulations is 600+ I can get a 30 gallon steel pot with lid for 140 on ebay. All I have to do is drill a bottom hole, add a screen.
Link Posted: 6/9/2015 6:40:37 PM EDT
Have you looked into used dairy equipment?

Also ask around at the scrape yards, a friend of mine bought some stuff(not for brewing)for scrape price.
Link Posted: 6/10/2015 8:37:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/10/2015 8:38:51 AM EDT by Bill_in_VA]
I think most people that homebrew more than 10gal or half barrel batches go on to 1 barrel batches in a three vessel single tier setup of these (in the 180qt / 45gal size)...
Link Posted: 6/10/2015 12:37:21 PM EDT
Remember OP, the more thermal mass you have, the less insulation you will need to hold temp, and I doubt you would see much difference in the final beer if you started at say, 153 and dropped to 149 at the end of the mash (if even that much).  So you may just need a barrel sized vessel of some kind, insulation be damned.
Link Posted: 6/10/2015 1:53:53 PM EDT
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I think most people that homebrew more than 10gal or half barrel batches go on to 1 barrel batches in a three vessel single tier setup of these (in the 180qt / 45gal size)...
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that what im looking at.

Link Posted: 6/10/2015 1:55:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By skin290:
Remember OP, the more thermal mass you have, the less insulation you will need to hold temp, and I doubt you would see much difference in the final beer if you started at say, 153 and dropped to 149 at the end of the mash (if even that much).  So you may just need a barrel sized vessel of some kind, insulation be damned.
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if you brew in winter you will either have to insulate or recirculate. even 20 gallons will drop more than 4 degrees
Link Posted: 6/11/2015 8:03:00 AM EDT
I found you a possible spot to look for goodies?

http://discussions.probrewer.com/forumdisplay.php?103-Used-Nano-Brewing-Equipment&s=72e069e7e1ae143638b1ef487c794ed8

I bet there are a lots of folks finding out nano-size is hard work to make money at and upgrading :)

Link Posted: 6/11/2015 11:20:39 AM EDT
A while back there was this guy named Walt who ended up buying into a brew shop in Fort Carson, Co (it is closed now ) He brewed HUGE batches for the same reason to spend less time brewing and more time drinking. He loved high gravity beer too.

Walt Brews

Walt's Lama Brewery
Link Posted: 6/21/2015 12:34:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:

that what im looking at.

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Originally Posted By Bill_in_VA:
I think most people that homebrew more than 10gal or half barrel batches go on to 1 barrel batches in a three vessel single tier setup of these (in the 180qt / 45gal size)...

that what im looking at.



I just bought the 30 gallon version of this and am getting the fittings welded in this week, I hope.
Link Posted: 6/23/2015 1:39:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/18/2015 7:25:10 PM EDT
I'm late to the party, but the answer you seek is a 55 gal Blichmann boilermaker. Not the cheapest solution, but at the nano where I brewed had no issues cranking out over a barrel at a time.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 11:36:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By squirrelslayer1:


http://www.cobrewingsystems.com/collections/complete-brewing-systems/products/nano-brewer-dual-professional-brewing-system



They sell them in 40 gallon, 80 gallon, and 100 gallon.
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Well, I've never seen a BIABasket system that big...or expensive.



 
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