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Posted: 4/20/2016 12:54:50 PM EDT
This is why they should not even have the tiniest foot in the door when it comes to domestic surveillance.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/04/government-surveillance-fbi-nsa-violations-222162
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:56:05 PM EDT
No way.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:56:33 PM EDT
Just wait until Obama hears about this!
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:58:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
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I expect at least an angry-sounding show hearing before some sort of Congressional committee, where some Congressmen pretend to be angry at some bureaucrat, and then do nothing.

That's how this usually goes.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 12:58:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
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He only gets the Sunday papers.

He'll discuss it then.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:00:10 PM EDT
Say it ain't so.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:01:50 PM EDT
My mom said criminals and cops have similar psych profiles.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:27:21 PM EDT
And here be the problem with all government. There are 0 repercussions for their misdeeds.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:34:26 PM EDT
Patiently waiting on the defenders to show up and tell us all how we misunderstand how this all works.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:36:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By webtaz99:
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What a stupid fucking post.

That being said, in b4 the govt bootlickers.

The bill of rights is the biggest reason I'm a rand paul guy. Him, justin amash, lee, and a few other guys are the future of the party if we ever desire to truly reign in the federal govt.
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Originally Posted By Fish1856:
That being said, in b4 the govt bootlickers.

The bill of rights is the biggest reason I'm a rand paul guy. Him, justin amash, lee, and a few other guys are the future of the party if we ever desire to truly reign in the federal govt.
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They'll be along shortly to reassure us that this isn't possible and .gov would never ever spy on us and if they ever do it's for our own good to keep us safe from the bad man.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:44:35 PM EDT
lol
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:46:42 PM EDT
You mean to tell me that the highest law enforcement in the land is........corrupt?
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:47:52 PM EDT
OP, you must understand that they abuse us for our safety. We can't let the terrorists take away our freedom, so we must let the FBI do it.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:47:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lomshek:


They'll be along shortly to reassure us that this isn't possible and .gov would never ever spy on us and if they ever do it's for our own good to keep us safe from the bad man.
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Originally Posted By Lomshek:
Originally Posted By Fish1856:
That being said, in b4 the govt bootlickers.

The bill of rights is the biggest reason I'm a rand paul guy. Him, justin amash, lee, and a few other guys are the future of the party if we ever desire to truly reign in the federal govt.


They'll be along shortly to reassure us that this isn't possible and .gov would never ever spy on us and if they ever do it's for our own good to keep us safe from the bad man.


But it isnt possible. Only the government knows whats good for you; its why they went to ivy league schools and work in top positions,because they are top men. You are just too dumb to understand.

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Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:48:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:


I expect at least an angry-sounding show hearing before some sort of Congressional committee, where some Congressmen pretend to be angry at some bureaucrat, and then do nothing.

That's how this usually goes.
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
Just wait until Obama hears about this!


I expect at least an angry-sounding show hearing before some sort of Congressional committee, where some Congressmen pretend to be angry at some bureaucrat, and then do nothing.

That's how this usually goes.


Yes it does. And just last week, they lied to congress and begged for a law banning encryption, banning our privacy, and giving them even more power.

Fuck these guys - we need to take our country back and restore the constitution.
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Originally Posted By IsaacCaza:
You mean to tell me that the highest law enforcement in the land is........corrupt?
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I'm willing to consider giving them a mulligan on this one if they indict Hillary.

Maybe.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:50:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By McEggins:


But it isnt possible. Only the government knows whats good for you; its why they went to ivy league schools and work in top positions,because they are top men. You are just too dumb to understand.

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Originally Posted By McEggins:
Originally Posted By Lomshek:
Originally Posted By Fish1856:
That being said, in b4 the govt bootlickers.

The bill of rights is the biggest reason I'm a rand paul guy. Him, justin amash, lee, and a few other guys are the future of the party if we ever desire to truly reign in the federal govt.


They'll be along shortly to reassure us that this isn't possible and .gov would never ever spy on us and if they ever do it's for our own good to keep us safe from the bad man.


But it isnt possible. Only the government knows whats good for you; its why they went to ivy league schools and work in top positions,because they are top men. You are just too dumb to understand.

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Something something passing the bill to know what's in it.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:53:29 PM EDT
Lawless nation is lawless.

Who'da guessed?

Unintended consequences are going to seriously fuck up some lives though.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:55:24 PM EDT
Fuck every bit of our current gov. Every bit of it.

Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:58:07 PM EDT
I was assured by someone on this site these things almost never happen at all awhile back
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:58:38 PM EDT
Welcome to a third world country . Making Stalin proud since the FBI was founded
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 1:58:58 PM EDT
In before demonoid77 (or however he spells it).
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 2:01:46 PM EDT
If only someone had warned us a few years ago about this stuff maybe something could have been done.
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"The government generally attributed those instances to individual failures or confusion, rather than a 'systematic issue,' "
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Oh ok. The system works fine, just the individuals within the system keep thwarting it. That's not a problem with the system, tho.

Link Posted: 4/20/2016 2:05:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:


Oh ok. The system works fine, just the individuals within the system keep thwarting it. That's not a problem with the system, tho.

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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
"The government generally attributed those instances to individual failures or confusion, rather than a 'systematic issue,' "


Oh ok. The system works fine, just the individuals within the system keep thwarting it. That's not a problem with the system, tho.



Right.

"We were confused about whether keeping things for X years really meant X years. We were also baffled by whether we were supposed to delete attorney/client communications. All these rules and regulations that we wrote ourselves, they're so confusing and all."
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Originally Posted By webtaz99:
My mom said criminals and cops have similar psych profiles.
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Basing something as important as your own opinion on people in general on a field which is mostly ridiculed
and represents one of the largest bullshit fields in which colleges are still issuing degrees in....notice I said Psychology---not Psychiatry.

Trying to hint at or intimate that cops and criminals are similar in anything is utter horseshit. I can't even think up
an appropriate analogy to illustrate such absurdity.


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"In order to preserve attorney-client privilege, the FBI is supposed to have such surveillance reviewed by a "taint team" that can excise any legal communications, but that was not happening in all cases, the FBI reported."

The goddamn taint team is responsible for this. They're supposed to keep the nutsacks at the FBI separated from the assholes at NSA.
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Originally Posted By Taboot:
"In order to preserve attorney-client privilege, the FBI is supposed to have such surveillance reviewed by a "taint team" that can excise any legal communications, but that was not happening in all cases, the FBI reported."


The goddamn taint team is responsible for this. They're supposed to keep the nutsacks at the FBI separated from the assholes at NSA.
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Link Posted: 4/20/2016 2:30:03 PM EDT
There are many layers of approvals, reviews, and oversite to keep these things from happening.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 2:32:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
This is why they should not even have the tiniest foot in the door when it comes to domestic surveillance.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/04/government-surveillance-fbi-nsa-violations-222162
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For the FISA court to publicly criticize the NSA and FBI it must have been one helluva violation. FISA is so far up the .gov's ass they haven't seen daylight in 15 years.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 2:33:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Taboot:
"In order to preserve attorney-client privilege, the FBI is supposed to have such surveillance reviewed by a "taint team" that can excise any legal communications, but that was not happening in all cases, the FBI reported."


The goddamn taint team is responsible for this. They're supposed to keep the nutsacks at the FBI separated from the assholes at NSA.
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Holy shit. I lost!

You win arfcom for today.
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Originally Posted By dillehayd:


For the FISA court to publicly criticize the NSA and FBI it must have been one helluva violation. FISA is so far up the .gov's ass they haven't seen daylight in 15 years.
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Originally Posted By dillehayd:
Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
This is why they should not even have the tiniest foot in the door when it comes to domestic surveillance.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/04/government-surveillance-fbi-nsa-violations-222162


For the FISA court to publicly criticize the NSA and FBI it must have been one helluva violation. FISA is so far up the .gov's ass they haven't seen daylight in 15 years.


There was a FISC judge who resigned in protest and pretty much said that the government does what it wants regardless of what FISC says. Which is even more appalling when you consider that FISC is an ex parte rubberstamp, anyway.
Link Posted: 4/20/2016 4:26:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:


There was a FISC judge who resigned in protest and pretty much said that the government does what it wants regardless of what FISC says. Which is even more appalling when you consider that FISC is an ex parte rubberstamp, anyway.
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Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
Originally Posted By dillehayd:
Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
This is why they should not even have the tiniest foot in the door when it comes to domestic surveillance.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/04/government-surveillance-fbi-nsa-violations-222162


For the FISA court to publicly criticize the NSA and FBI it must have been one helluva violation. FISA is so far up the .gov's ass they haven't seen daylight in 15 years.


There was a FISC judge who resigned in protest and pretty much said that the government does what it wants regardless of what FISC says. Which is even more appalling when you consider that FISC is an ex parte rubberstamp, anyway.


Our government is 50% theater and 50% dramatic response to crises that are at least 50% manufactured.
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