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Posted: 4/12/2007 2:04:41 PM EDT
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Read the article. It's definitely on point.
My biggest concerns is that the power has significantly shifted since 9/11 into the hands of the select few....I'm not talking about just the government. But I'm also speaking of the corporations...And if you look at the forerunners from each of the parties its awfully disconcerting to see the results: Clinton: Socialist Obama: Anti-gun Guliani: Fascist Dictator Edwards: Feckless pretty boy that has been running since '04 Romney: Waffle McCain: Disconnected waffle that lost all integrity. This will help clarify further. www.abum.com/54951/George-Carlin-on-Capatalism.html [Flame Suit On] |
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"the big question is are there more of them or more of us?"
The big answer, there's more of them. Paul is right on the vast majority of issues, but the people aren't ready. On both sides of the spectrum the majority is far too brainwashed to listen. I hope I'm wrong, I hope my vote for Paul in the primary is more than a gesture, but despite the widespread dissatisfaction with the status quo people seem determined to maintain it. |
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That dude is a kook.
I can’t vote for anybody who wants to get rid of the CIA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6KIusCBoU ARH |
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+1 People better wake the hell up. Ron Paul is the last, best hope for this country. He's definitely got my support. |
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He makes a point, and I wish he had the chance to expand on it... |
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Yay. An unrealistic absolutist isolationist without a chance in hell.
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Funny how the devaluation of the dollar is so seldom a topic on capitol hill. |
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Tell me how the devaluation of the dollar to the point it is right now is a bad thing? I bet you will in the next sentence tell me how bad outsourcing is and how we don't manufacture anything in the US anymore. |
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Well if he doesn't, I certainly will. Screw the "global economy". Nationalism is the way to go... as in, WE care about OUR country and OUR people (and their jobs). Not the best interests of a few global elite multi-billionaires, a few of whom happen to be americans. Thomas Jefferson said it pretty well several times. Here are a few quotes he made on economic matters: -------- "Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains." * Letter to Horatio G. Spafford (March 17, 1814) "I, however, place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." * Letter to William Plumer (July 21, 1816) "I hope we shall take warning from the example [of England] and crush in it's birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws our country." * Letter to George Logan (November 12, 1816) "Lay down true principles and adhere to them inflexibly. Do not be frightened into their surrender by the alarms of the timid, or the croakings of wealth against the ascendency of the people." * Letter to Samuel Kercheval (1816) ---------- People would do well to read and listen to the writings of our founding fathers. Technology changes, but the nature of mankind does not. Think about how illegal immigration is rampant and who it is that's employing these people. These corporations are giving many of the jobs of their countrymen to foreigners, while they take many of the _rest_ of the jobs and move them to places like pakistan or india or china, etc. - It's all about making the rich richer, and the well being of american workers be damned. Ron Paul is a true american statesman. Just about the only one left who isn't in the pocket of international corporate bankers, etc. That's a pretty damn sad situation too, when everything is so corrupt that a good person like him is left swinging in the breeze by so many people. |
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Maybe you still want to live in a 19th Century economy. I don't. And anytime someone uses the term "international corporate bankers" or something similar it shows their true colors. Red. Or at the very least a useful idiot. |
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HAHAHAHAAA!!! Talk about a dumbass. Useful idiot describes YOU perfectly. Look in the mirror. Just keep on supporting your MASSUHS. You'll keep getting the same thing in return. USED. If you'd read a bit of history, you'd know that over all, the hard working people of this country were much better off when they weren't being shafted by super high taxes that pay for unnecessary government "services" (we're getting "serviced" alright... as in FUCKED... on things like welfare, etc) and ridiculous regulations (EPA, etc) that simply run up the operating costs of business to the point that they feel the NEED to leave the country and break immigration laws. Hehh... Red. That's funny. That's the farthest thing from the truth. Reds want MORE regulation... like YOU apparently do. I want LESS regulation. Specifically, I want this country to go back to following the constitution. I've never heard that described as Communist before, have you? You just can't stand the fact that the truth is what it is. Our government is largely owned by large corporations... specifically because they have the deepest pockets to pay people off. - Now, apparently, you're not smart enough to understand how that system works. Since I've been in the corporate world for a significant portion of my life, and have specifically dealt with environmental and hiring/firing regulations first hand, I can personally attest to the fact that the vast majority of the regulations on the books not only run up operating costs unnecessarily and are complete horse shit in a technical sense, but I can also say that in many cases, these very laws and regulations that are hated by most business people are actually secretly SUPPORTED by the heads of the largest corporations. YEP. You read that right. They'll publicly deny it to their graves, but the truth is that they not only support it, but they specifically pay for/use environmental groups as "useful idiots" to bring about MORE regulations upon themselves, and more specifically their _competitors_. The point of doing this is to cut out the vast majority of the competition by making it financially impossible for the "little guy" (small business) to play with the big boys. That leads to the little guys having no choice but to sell out to the large corporations, which leads to carefully crafted "non-monopolies" so to speak, where say, three or four international corporations own 99% of an industry between them. At the top, these companies are run by a handful of guys who all play golf (or whatever) together and decide the fate of the working guys in about the way it was done in that old Eddie Murphy movie called "Trading Places". - Now, if we took all these "wonderful" rules away, any old "joe-bob" could start his own local business in whatever field he chose... without having to have all the outrageously expensive permits, (useless) engineering studies, etc, etc, etc, done as a prerequisite to doing business. Lower startup and operating costs means more competitors in the marketplace, and more competitors means better deals for customers (price wars). Lower prices for consumers leads to more VOLUME of sales of any given item... meaning that the business will need more WORKERS to produce the additional volume... which leads to more JOBS. More jobs for the same number of available workers leads to higher wages for the workers (since the operator needs the best workers and uses higher pay to retain them). Here ya go... to sum it up: Since the small to medium business owner wouldn't need to waste money on all the ridiculous fees and taxes for permits, etc, he could afford to: A) hire more workers, B) pay them more, C) sell his products for a reasonable price. - NOW... the guys who own the aforementioned large corporations don't like all this nice stuff, because it causes them to have to COMPETE for REAL instead of just quietly "fixing" everything illegally with their good buddies on the golf course. They can't STAND having to compete with some lowly "joe bob" redneck LOCAL from "fly-over country"... hell, Joe-Bob doesn't even play GOLF. And besides... in a situation where there were no unconstitutional rules (meaning 99.9 percent of all rules), there would be WAY too MANY competitors in the market place for the "big guys" to buy them all off even if they COULD get them to the golf course. Now, since you're so smart, my 20 odd years of business experience will mean nothing to you and you'll keep saying I'm a dumbass. That's okay though. Guys like you don't really want to see the truth. You can't handle it. Go stick your head back in the sand now, and vote for whoever the media tells you to vote for come election day. |
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Are you really asking whats wrong with losing purchasing power ? |
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But what if you are an exporter? What if your job is getting ready to get outsourced? |
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I must have misunderstood. So do you believe that corporations should be able to invest where they want and how they want without interference from the .gov? Yes or no. |
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Basically yes. The only restrictions I think have some merit would be anti-trust regulations, and that only to stop things from becoming so dominated by a few companies that small to medium companies simply have no chance right from the get-go. Financially, I mean. - Which is happening in many industries lately. - The only problem with that though, is where to set limits. That's a pretty tough question, as I am generally pro-business and don't like regulations. The truth is, there is no simple answer, unfortunately. It's just damn sad to see things going the way they are. |
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we're talking about two different things. I'm talking about a devalued currency as a result of an increase in the money supply. You're talking about a weakened currency when compared with other currencies. Inflation does not necessarily weaken the exchange rate of the dollar, in fact, the dollar can strengthen in regards to other currencies, even while being devalued by the fed. The only thing that changes is how much in goods that dollar can purchase. Without an increase in production and productivity, inflating the money supply only increases the amount of money going after the same, limited, amount of goods. Resulting in an increase of price closely equal to the increase in the money supply. If your wages don't increase at the same rate (the CPI is bunk, inflation is really around 10% or 11% as evidenced by the M3 numbers) you're getting screwed. |
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The problem with the arguement that monetary inflation and the subsequent devaluation is somehow good for our balance of trade is that monetary inflation in our system is accomplished by making credit available at whatever rate is necessary to create the inflation.
This abundant credit is what makes persistent trade imbalances possible, other countries send us goods exceeding our exports and we send them debt instruments, whether bonds or dollars it's all debt, as all dollars are loaned into existence at interest. An $800B a year current account deficit means there's roughly $10K in debt and equity leaving the country per household, or $2500 per capita, every year. The goods and services that money pays for would be provided by Americans if our monetary policy didn't facilitate the imbalance. Cheap dollars have made the situation worse not better, as is clear if you look at the charts since the strong dollar policy (which is another subject which merits attention in itself, as it actually meant something specific and quite damaging) came to an end in '99 or so. Free trade isn't the problem, but what we have isn't free trade. The tradeoff of cheaper goods vs. jobs, wages, and manufacturing capacity we argue now isn't even the biggest issue, it's what happens when the process reverses itself and those debt instruments start coming due, the power that grants our crediters and the long term economic and security ramifications. Protectionism is another issue, and has no place in a thread about Ron Paul. What the liberals propose to "do something" about the problems the mainstream GOP ignores isn't relevent. |
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He supports an isolationistic perspective on economic issues. That = bad.
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WTF ????? 100% incorrect |
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Please expound, provide references, and explain what you mean by "isolationistic" |
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Two different things? Let's say you are a Belgian Chocolate importer. It is good for you. Let's say you are a clothing manufacturer and you import your textiles. It is good for you. Let's say you make heavy construction equipment and most of your sales are overseas. It is good for you. Let's say you are in the steel industry that is getting ready to be outsourced overseas. It is good for you. |
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Beyond the 'sending American jobs overseas is really the best thing for us' argument.
The Consitution Party sent out an email asking for guidence in picking potential candidates. I went with 1. Ron Paul 2. Tom Tancredo 3. Duncan Hunter For obvious reasons. http://www.constitutionparty.com/surveys/index.php?sid=2 |
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Not a single one on that survey has a chance in hell of winning. If Thompson doesn't run Alan Keys will get my primary vote and if he doesn't run probably Tom Tancredo. |
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Thanks for the link. If the republicans don't run a decent candidate, I'll definitely vote 3rd party. Weather they have a chance of winning or not isn't entirely the issue (in a long term sense). Forcing the republican party to come to it's senses _is_ the issue. I'm just not gonna vote for any of the "lesser evils" anymore. I've done that over and over and the result has been to get to see the republicans taking the road to hell at 45 mph instead of the 60 mph the dems would go. Either way, our country is turning into a socialist/globalist shithole. In the long run unless and until the republicans realize that they have to support the constitution to get back the loyalty of their supporters, things will not change. They have to stop trying to be "centrist" in other words. - I'm only gonna vote for someone who's gonna turn this place around and start the country back in the right direction. If enough people would be adamant about forcing the republicans to either run good candidates or lose votes, then good candidates WOULD have a chance. - So saying good candidates don't have a chance is a self fulfilling prophecy in that by saying that, you are undermining potential support for them. People who want good leaders need to set an example for the followers of the world. Vote for and support the good guys even if you don't think the chances are good. To do otherwise is to help our enemies by not standing your ground and by setting a bad example for others who might have had courage enough to do the right thing if they had seen a few more people making a good example. Compromise is the slow road to hell. People need to stand by their convictions. |
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Hope you like 4 - 8 years of Hillary! |
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If that's what it takes to get the republicans to wake the hell up, then so be it. |
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Think that'll happen? Yeah, right. |
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With your attitude nothing will get done _for_sure_ to change them. I guess you want to just give up and support them even when they don't represent us? That's what got us in this position to start with. The only thing that will get their attention is massive loss of votes due to their lack of performance. |
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You voting for Ron Paul will mean jack. As the Dems win more and more.. the Repubs feel that in order for them to win, they must become more liberal.. moving more to the center (and to the left of where they are). You may support whoever you wish, but Ron Paul has no chance in hell of becoming President. |
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Well, you're obviously welcome to your opinion. I think that's a load though. They've been moving further and further left for a while now, and sooner or later they're gonna figure out that they'd be better off moving back to their original position. If they can't or don't do it, well, that's not my fault. I will absolutely NOT support them unless they start getting their minds right. They _certainly_ aren't gonna change what they're doing based on people continuing to support them regardless of what they do. Same stuff in, same stuff out. Something has to change, and sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better. |
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And that is why the Libertardians love him. Ron Paul is right on some issues but would be horrible for America. |
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Ron Paul is a deluded nut job.
Anybody who would throw their vote away on Ron Paul, is not living, even remotely in the real world. |
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Yeah, the "protest voters" have certainly taught everyone a lesson by making Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House. What VooDoo says it absolutely correct, they lesson they are learning is that they need to be more liberal. Eight years of a demonrat President got us in this mess to start with due to their lack of response to terrorists acts against Americans. Eight more years like that, or worse, and this country may very well not survive. That much "worse" we can't afford, but if you think the dissolution of this country due to the demonrats giving up everything to the rest of the world. If you think some kind of revolution is the answer, think again. This country would become another third world shithole in the event of such a thing and it may well do it anyway with the demonrats running the show. Idealism is great, but it is trumped by reality every time, period. |
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Yep... He is a whacko who couldn't live under the very system he would like to set up. Anyone that thinks isolationsim works needs to look at N. Korea...a totally isolated country. Works so well for them. |
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He would not be elected dictator, but President. Which means working with Congress. Who do you think would be able to work with Congress to get more of what we want done? |
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When I hear Ron Paul's name, the words "snowball's chance" comes to mind.
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Well aware Sherrick thanks. But if the current dumbass is any indicator the president can still steer the ship aground. In the long odds Paul were to get elected he would be attempting to steer quite a bit. I'm fairly certain Paul knows what a veto is too. |
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And you say you are not a demonrat troll. Shit, I guess you would have been happier with either Gore or Kerry. That "dumbass" shit is straight from the DNC. |
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Ron Pual himself was reciteing that commie favorite "Bush lied!!!!" crap on FOX just the other day in an interview. |
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No I actually voted for the sitting president, should clue you into what I think of of the Dims. Face up to the fact the sitting idiot is killing the Republican party. Most of America knows exactly what the Dims are they also know they are not the answer to any problem yet they stayed home or held thier nose and voted tard. How much more of a failure can the current president be? I'd bet things only get worse. |
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Haha... that's the kind of thinking that got us to where we are right now. You have no ideals if you won't stand up for anything. It's thinking like yours that really _will_ eventually lead to the end of this country. If people had stood for what they believed in all this time instead of believing horse shit like a lot of you guys spout, we wouldn't be in the position we're in. But, then again, since some of you guys obviously think that going back to having a constitutional government and _true_ freedom (instead of massive government and oodles of unconstitutional laws, all of which runs our taxes through the roof and our economy into the ground) is equal to being a third world country, I guess you guys really support the fucked up direction we're going in, so I guess we're just never gonna agree. It's a damn good thing not _everyone_ thinks the way you do. Unfortunately, it looks like lots of folks do though. Blind cheerleaders for one of two teams, neither of which represents the best interests of the average person. On the subject of where this country is headed... All you have to do is read some history to see where things will end up going. Both ancient and more recent history is filled with countries that were great for a while, but eventually fell apart. There has never ever been one that lasted forever. Not ever. To think that this one will do so is foolish. All I can hope for is that when this one does fall apart it will be replaced by something as good as this one once was, and not by something more akin to Hitler's version of Germany or Julius Caesars version of Rome. Unfortunately, I figure that's about a 50/50 chance. I hope I don't live to see it if it goes in that direction. Actually, I figure none of us will live to see whatever it is that will end up happening. I think it'll take longer than that for things to fall completely apart. Could be wrong though. Either way, giving up on what you believe because of someones version of "reality" is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What if our founding fathers had felt the way you do? We'd all still be speaking with a british accent so to speak... and what if guys like Martin Luther King had felt the way you do? Black folks would still be riding on the back of the bus, etc. - Etc, etc, etc... Wake the hell up, man. SOMEBODY had better stop compromising and start standing up for what they believe in. Otherwise, we're _really_ gonna be fucked. The republicans will either start standing for the right thing, or I won't support them. If that means the libs win the next election, that's THEIR fault, not mine. As Barry Goldwater said, "I Didn't Leave the Republican Party. The Republican Party Left Me". - All of that being said - While I ultimately support Ron Paul because he is the only candidate who really agrees with the vision of the founding fathers (which is obviously WAY too free for the likes of some of you), if the republicans run Thompson, I will vote for him, because from what I've read, I do agree with enough of what he says to feel that I wouldn't be doing the wrong thing in doing it. - If, on the other hand, they run McCain or Giuliani (sp?) or someone along those lines, I will absolutely positively vote 3rd party, because in my opinion, they would be just as bad as Hitlery Klinton and Nazi Pelosi. Choosing between that group is really no choice at all. By the way... I voted straight republican ticket in this past election. Just so you'll know. - edited to correct spelling |
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