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Posted: 8/30/2011 11:21:23 AM EDT
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thats one fine looking horse. they musta zaino'd the shit outta him.
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This thread has potential. and that's why i'm here now, tagging it |
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I love old photograph threads.
Sorry, don't have any Old West ones to contribute, but gotta tag. |
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Not a pic but we stopped in Tombstone in 2005, the locals are still pissed at the Earps, especially Wyatt.
I asked if the vendetta ride actually happened and how many Wyatt got. The answer was "he got all of them". What kind of car did Wyatt Earp drive? A 1927 De Soto, when he died in 1929, in LA. |
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that Cavalry soldier can't be much over 5'6 but he looks all full of bravado.
that is my favorite of the three great idea for a thread, I wished I has something to contribute |
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Awesome thread, Last mounted calvary trooper in the family was my Great Uncle Zigmund in the early 1930s when they had to turn there mounts in.
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very cool. I love when peoples icons are in line with their post. |
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My grandfather was born in 1903 in the Territory of AZ, around Prescott. He loved the old west because it was very real to him. Could be BS, but family lore is that his grandmother was the first red haired white woman in the territory of AZ and that indians would come by just to have a look.
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From the archives (not my photos): http://media.nara.gov/media/images/43/6/43-0503a.gif "Brig. Gen. Frank Wheaton, U.S. Army [standing center with white plume in hat], with officers and members of their families, Fort Walla Walla, Wash. Terr., 1874~." 111-SC-83652. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/046.jpg By lllingworth, 1874, during Black Hills expedition. 77-HQ-264-847. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/049.jpg "Gen. Crook's headquarters in the field at Whitewood [Dak. Terr.]. On starvation march 1876." Closeup of a camp scene shows tents improvised from wagon frames during the Black Hills expedition. 165-FF-2F-12. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/050.jpg "Scene of Gen. Custer's last stand, looking in the direction of the ford and the Indian village." A pile of bones on the Little Big Horn battlefield is all that remains, ca. 1877. 111-SC-82966. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/053.jpg "Execution of a soldier of the 8th Infantry at Prescott, Arizona, 1877." 111-SC-87810 http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/057.jpg Troop`C,' 5th Cavalry, which arrested boomers and squatters prior to opening of Oklahoma, ca. 1888. 111-SC-87369. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/060.jpg Officers in tent by fire during the Pine Ridge campaign, 1890––91. 111-SC-104138 http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/062.jpg "Brig. Gen. Nelson A. Miles and Buffalo Bill viewing hostile Indian camp near Pine Ridge Agency, South Dakota." By Grabill, January 16, 1891. 111-SC-85680. A note about one of those photographs. General George Crook played a role in the Battle of the Little Big Horn. Crook was marching northwards out of Fort Fetterman with a large force of cavalry along with some Crow scouts, at the same time that Custer was marching in a south westerly direction with the 7th Cav. General Terry (in overall command) had intelligence that there was a large force of non-treaty Lakota Sioux led by Sitting Bull "somewhere" in the vicinity of the Powder River/Tongue River/Little Big Horn country, but no one knew exactly where they were. Terry's plan was to catch them in a pincer movement, with additional troops marching in from further west to cut off their retreat in that direction (so there were actually three prongs coming towards the hostiles). Crook's force made contact with Sitting Bull's warriors before either of the other two "prongs" did, and a major battle - the Battle of the Rosebud - erupted, in which Crook's forces were overwhelmed by the size of the hostile indian camp, and he was forced to retreat. This was the first indication that anyone had as to the exact size of Sitting Bull's forces. Both Terry and Custer estimated their number at between 800 and 1500 (at most), but their actual number was well over 2000. Because there was no modern command, control, and communications (C3) in those days, Terry and Custer had no way of knowing that Crook's element had already been overpowered and driven back. (Today, of course, commanders would be passing this battlefield intelligence back and forth in real time). Crook attempted to send a runner on horseback to link up with Custer's element and warn him, but because of the distance involved (and because the runner may have gotten lost in the wilderness which he was not familiar with), his warning never reached Custer in time. |
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From the archives (not my photos): http://media.nara.gov/media/images/43/6/43-0503a.gif "Brig. Gen. Frank Wheaton, U.S. Army [standing center with white plume in hat], with officers and members of their families, Fort Walla Walla, Wash. Terr., 1874~." 111-SC-83652. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/046.jpg By lllingworth, 1874, during Black Hills expedition. 77-HQ-264-847. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/049.jpg "Gen. Crook's headquarters in the field at Whitewood [Dak. Terr.]. On starvation march 1876." Closeup of a camp scene shows tents improvised from wagon frames during the Black Hills expedition. 165-FF-2F-12. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/050.jpg "Scene of Gen. Custer's last stand, looking in the direction of the ford and the Indian village." A pile of bones on the Little Big Horn battlefield is all that remains, ca. 1877. 111-SC-82966. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/053.jpg "Execution of a soldier of the 8th Infantry at Prescott, Arizona, 1877." 111-SC-87810 http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/057.jpg Troop`C,' 5th Cavalry, which arrested boomers and squatters prior to opening of Oklahoma, ca. 1888. 111-SC-87369. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/060.jpg Officers in tent by fire during the Pine Ridge campaign, 1890––91. 111-SC-104138 http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/062.jpg "Brig. Gen. Nelson A. Miles and Buffalo Bill viewing hostile Indian camp near Pine Ridge Agency, South Dakota." By Grabill, January 16, 1891. 111-SC-85680. A note about one of those photographs. General George Crook played a role in the Battle of the Little Big Horn. Crook was marching northwards out of Fort Fetterman with a large force of cavalry along with some Crow scouts, at the same time that Custer was marching in a south westerly direction with the 7th Cav. General Terry (in overall command) had intelligence that there was a large force of non-treaty Lakota Sioux led by Sitting Bull "somewhere" in the vicinity of the Powder River/Tongue River/Little Big Horn country, but no one knew exactly where they were. Terry's plan was to catch them in a pincer movement, with additional troops marching in from further west to cut off their retreat in that direction (so there were actually three prongs coming towards the hostiles). Crook's force made contact with Sitting Bull's warriors before either of the other two "prongs" did, and a major battle - the Battle of the Rosebud - erupted, in which Crook's forces were overwhelmed by the size of the hostile indian camp, and he was forced to retreat. This was the first indication that anyone had as to the exact size of Sitting Bull's forces. Both Terry and Custer estimated their number at between 800 and 1500 (at most), but their actual number was well over 2000. Because there was no modern command, control, and communications (C3) in those days, Terry and Custer had no way of knowing that Crook's element had already been overpowered and driven back. (Today, of course, commanders would be passing this battlefield intelligence back and forth in real time). Crook attempted to send a runner on horseback to link up with Custer's element and warn him, but because of the distance involved (and because the runner may have gotten lost in the wilderness which he was not familiar with), his warning never reached Custer in time. Wasn't aware of that, thanks for the info...going to do a little more reading about that story now. |
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http://www.vintagevinyljournals.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/gratefuldead-j0262d.jpg Speed Nicely played. |
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From the archives (not my photos): http://media.nara.gov/media/images/43/6/43-0503a.gif "Brig. Gen. Frank Wheaton, U.S. Army [standing center with white plume in hat], with officers and members of their families, Fort Walla Walla, Wash. Terr., 1874~." 111-SC-83652. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/046.jpg By lllingworth, 1874, during Black Hills expedition. 77-HQ-264-847. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/049.jpg "Gen. Crook's headquarters in the field at Whitewood [Dak. Terr.]. On starvation march 1876." Closeup of a camp scene shows tents improvised from wagon frames during the Black Hills expedition. 165-FF-2F-12. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/050.jpg "Scene of Gen. Custer's last stand, looking in the direction of the ford and the Indian village." A pile of bones on the Little Big Horn battlefield is all that remains, ca. 1877. 111-SC-82966. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/053.jpg "Execution of a soldier of the 8th Infantry at Prescott, Arizona, 1877." 111-SC-87810 http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/057.jpg Troop`C,' 5th Cavalry, which arrested boomers and squatters prior to opening of Oklahoma, ca. 1888. 111-SC-87369. http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/060.jpg Officers in tent by fire during the Pine Ridge campaign, 1890––91. 111-SC-104138 http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/062.jpg "Brig. Gen. Nelson A. Miles and Buffalo Bill viewing hostile Indian camp near Pine Ridge Agency, South Dakota." By Grabill, January 16, 1891. 111-SC-85680. A note about one of those photographs. General George Crook played a role in the Battle of the Little Big Horn. Crook was marching northwards out of Fort Fetterman with a large force of cavalry along with some Crow scouts, at the same time that Custer was marching in a south westerly direction with the 7th Cav. General Terry (in overall command) had intelligence that there was a large force of non-treaty Lakota Sioux led by Sitting Bull "somewhere" in the vicinity of the Powder River/Tongue River/Little Big Horn country, but no one knew exactly where they were. Terry's plan was to catch them in a pincer movement, with additional troops marching in from further west to cut off their retreat in that direction (so there were actually three prongs coming towards the hostiles). Crook's force made contact with Sitting Bull's warriors before either of the other two "prongs" did, and a major battle - the Battle of the Rosebud - erupted, in which Crook's forces were overwhelmed by the size of the hostile indian camp, and he was forced to retreat. This was the first indication that anyone had as to the exact size of Sitting Bull's forces. Both Terry and Custer estimated their number at between 800 and 1500 (at most), but their actual number was well over 2000. Because there was no modern command, control, and communications (C3) in those days, Terry and Custer had no way of knowing that Crook's element had already been overpowered and driven back. (Today, of course, commanders would be passing this battlefield intelligence back and forth in real time). Crook attempted to send a runner on horseback to link up with Custer's element and warn him, but because of the distance involved (and because the runner may have gotten lost in the wilderness which he was not familiar with), his warning never reached Custer in time. very good information here. I still think Custer would have won that day (seizing the camp with non combatants) if Reno held his flank in the woods, keeping a whole lot of warriors busy, and if BENTEEN didnt advance twice slower than he should have by military rules, and if he went to the sound of the battle, as the same rules state he should have been going.. That day, Custer was betrayed by these 2 men... even if his plan wasnt perfect. Even the the Lakotha warriors admit that Reno could have held inside the woods, and there is no doubt that the support of Benteen would have changed the outcome of the main battle.. |
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http://www.roadfood.com/photos/12542.jpg Food Item: Washtunkala Cast Iron Kettle Restaurant: The Fort - Morrison, CO Description: Loaded with buffalo strips: an authentic taste of the Old West here's the type of food they like to eat in the old west, cooked in an old iron kettle Don't know when that pic was taken, but if it was a few years ago there is a good chance I repaired the equipment the kettle of stew was cooked with. |
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I was all ready to post pics of my house as far back as 1889 until it hit me, I don't live out west.
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I'm here for the pics. Former 7th Cav soldier here, and yes, I knew about Comache.
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I still think Custer would have won that day (seizing the camp with non combatants) if Reno held his flank in the woods, keeping a whole lot of warriors busy, and if BENTEEN didnt advance twice slower than he should have by military rules, and if he went to the sound of the battle, as the same rules state he should have been going.. That day, Custer was betrayed by these 2 men... even if his plan wasnt perfect. Even the the Lakotha warriors admit that Reno could have held inside the woods, and there is no doubt that the support of Benteen would have changed the outcome of the main battle.. I completely agree. I don't think they were in error, I think Reno was a coward and that Benteen was a chickenshit coward. |
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Still trying to get more info on exact date of this picture. My great-grandpa is the one on the left standing in the cab with the hat on. Department of Forestry, unknown area, probably Angeles Nat'l Forest. http://tylerlewis.zenfolio.com/img/v27/p71458891-5.jpg A guess would be WPA work party that he was incharge of. Alot could be told by the make and year of the truck, maybe somebody could chime in if they know what it is. |
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I still think Custer would have won that day (seizing the camp with non combatants) if Reno held his flank in the woods, keeping a whole lot of warriors busy, and if BENTEEN didnt advance twice slower than he should have by military rules, and if he went to the sound of the battle, as the same rules state he should have been going.. That day, Custer was betrayed by these 2 men... even if his plan wasnt perfect. Even the the Lakotha warriors admit that Reno could have held inside the woods, and there is no doubt that the support of Benteen would have changed the outcome of the main battle.. I completely agree. I don't think they were in error, I think Reno was a coward and that Benteen was a chickenshit coward. Based on everything I have read on this subject (which is considerable), I agree with the above assessments with one qualifier: Both Benteen and Reno disliked Custer - and in Benteen's case, it was more like actual hatred. Reno's initial, spoiling attack against the southern flank of the Lakota position was a disaster, but as noted, Reno could probably have held a fall-back position on the west side of the Little Big Horn if he didn't cut and run. Reno was drinking heavily that day by the way - which was witnessed by several of his men. Had Reno held a line on the west side of the LBH, it would have taken considerable pressure off of Custer's element when the latter began his attack. In the event, though, ALL of the Sioux shifted north to meet Custer's advance once Reno had forfeited the field. As for Benteen, there is almost no doubt that his hatred of Custer influenced his decision not to try and link up with Custer's element and reinforce him. At the Court of Inquiry that was held in 1878 (if memory serves - thereabouts anyway), Benteen insisted that he had no idea that Custer's element was in trouble further to his north, and that is why he decided to remain where he was, in a defensive position with what was left of Reno's command. Major Reno, BTW, was in such a sorry state by this point that even though Captain Benteen was junior in rank, Benteen pretty much relieved him of command and was making all the decisions. However, some of Benteen's own soldiers testified that they heard intense gunfire coming from the north, and they all felt that Custer was in trouble and that Benteen should have done something. Benteen was exonerated by the Court of Inquiry because the Army wanted to sweep the affair under the rug. The Democrats were in control of Congress at the time, and they were debating the military budget, which they wanted to cut to the bone. The Army did not want any embarrassing questions about the cavalry corps being raised by Congress at the time, nor did they want to embarrass higher ranking officers in the Bureau of Indian Affairs. |
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