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Posted: 12/9/2013 12:55:53 PM EDT
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I don't think either side has the numbers to do anything, and nothing bi-partisan is going to happen anytime soon.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 12:57:51 PM EDT
[#2]
Paging TravisMcgee. TravisMcgee to the white phone please.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 12:59:10 PM EDT
[#3]
It's a start.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:01:10 PM EDT
[#4]
They can include term limits on SCOTUS judges too, lifetime appointments are no good, that group is the one that can really make or bring down this country.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:01:26 PM EDT
[#5]
When was the last time lawmakers met and didn't bend us over?
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:01:32 PM EDT
[#6]
Screw that.
We don't need to change the Constitution. We need to start following it. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:02:05 PM EDT
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A constitutional convention is a complete crap shoot. You have no idea going in what the outcome is going to be. It could be term limits or a balanced budget. It could just as easily be the abolition of the second or even first amendment. The one good thing about the process is I don't think you could get 38 state legislatures to agree the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so it may just be an exercise in futility.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:04:47 PM EDT
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It's a start. Yes, making changes to the Constitution means we the people are at the mercy of law makers...it makes me feel a little uneasy.. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:06:20 PM EDT
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Screw that. We don't need to change the Constitution. We need to start following it. Good luck with that. I'm sure the Supreme Court will help. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:06:51 PM EDT
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Nothing gets passed if 1/4 of the States disapprove.
Put another way, nothing gets passed unless 3/4 of the States approve. IMHO, it would be a practical impossibility to get anything in the Bill of Rights diminished, including the Second Amendment. As of the moment, I'm strongly inclined to favor such a move. The alternatives should such a Convention fail to at least begin to turn things around are horrible to contemplate. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:07:10 PM EDT
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Here's their website:
Article V Caucus Look at what they are about and then make up your mind. YMMV 112 |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:08:25 PM EDT
[#12]
They need to add repealing the 17th amendment to their agenda.
The problem is that the individual states have no representation in Congress while the People have too much power. Repealing the 17th would end that situation. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:08:31 PM EDT
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Screw that. We don't need to change the Constitution. We need to start following it. I'd support a few changes as long as they let me make the changes 
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:08:37 PM EDT
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A constitutional convention is a complete crap shoot. You have no idea going in what the outcome is going to be. It could be term limits or a balanced budget. It could just as easily be the abolition of the second or even first amendment. The one good thing about the process is I don't think you could get 38 state legislatures to agree the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so it may just be an exercise in futility. This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:09:14 PM EDT
[#15]
Motion to repeal Obamcare?
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:10:41 PM EDT
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Good luck with that. I'm sure the Supreme Court will help. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Screw that. We don't need to change the Constitution. We need to start following it. Good luck with that. I'm sure the Supreme Court will help. There is a little-known and (AFAIK) unused provision in the Constitution that allows Congress to deny SCOTUS the jurisdiction to review a particular law that Congress has passed. If desired, Congress could cut out SCOTUS at will. Not saying it would be a good idea, but it could be done. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:11:31 PM EDT
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It's a start. It's a potential disaster. Amendments can as easily repealed as added. The Constitution is hard to amend for a reason. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:11:41 PM EDT
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This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A constitutional convention is a complete crap shoot. You have no idea going in what the outcome is going to be. It could be term limits or a balanced budget. It could just as easily be the abolition of the second or even first amendment. The one good thing about the process is I don't think you could get 38 state legislatures to agree the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so it may just be an exercise in futility. This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. Semantics. If it looks like a duck if it quacks like a duck, its a duck. The purpose of both is to change the constitution. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:12:35 PM EDT
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Paging TravisMcgee. TravisMcgee to the white phone please. Matthew Bracken is a prophet. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:14:11 PM EDT
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They can include term limits on SCOTUS judges too, lifetime appointments are no good, that group is the one that can really make or bring down this country. I agree. Make it 10 years or some other number that puts them beyond the reach of most politicking but lifetime has to go. All we end up with is sleeping geezers. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:14:20 PM EDT
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They can include term limits on SCOTUS judges too, lifetime appointments are no good, that group is the one that can really make or bring down this country. This. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:14:31 PM EDT
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This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A constitutional convention is a complete crap shoot. You have no idea going in what the outcome is going to be. It could be term limits or a balanced budget. It could just as easily be the abolition of the second or even first amendment. The one good thing about the process is I don't think you could get 38 state legislatures to agree the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so it may just be an exercise in futility. This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. This |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:15:03 PM EDT
[#23]
Not semantics.
The Constitution of the United States * * * * * * * * * * Article V The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate. The body of the Constitution will be no more damaged than by any previous amendment. The Constitution will not be replaced as has happened many times in the cases of several states. George Mason insisted on this feature just before the Constitution was signed; not a bad thing, and now might be the time to put it into play. It's either this, or an armed revolution to correct the nation's direction. By the way, everyone reading this can get involved and help guide the outcome. Or bitch and whine. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:16:10 PM EDT
[#24]
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When was the last time lawmakers met and didn't bend us over? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I couldn't tell you the last time the government did something for me instead of to me. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:16:20 PM EDT
[#25]
This is a good thing, it may be the last best hope for peaceful restoration of the Old Republic. The alternative will be painful.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:16:56 PM EDT
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They can include term limits on SCOTUS judges too, lifetime appointments are no good, that group is the one that can really make or bring down this country. May agree but how 'bout this: Just like a jury trial one member of the Supreme Court can rule a law unconstitutional. eta: not my idea - but heard it here |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:17:43 PM EDT
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I we had to make the Constitution today, we would be fucked. There would be no "Miracle at Philadelphia".
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:18:42 PM EDT
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They need to add repealing the 17th amendment to their agenda. The problem is that the individual states have no representation in Congress while the People have too much power. Repealing the 17th would end that situation. And that. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:19:12 PM EDT
[#29]
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Screw that. We don't need to change the Constitution. We need to start following it. Not quite. Some new measures could have promise. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:21:27 PM EDT
[#30]
Not Fucking Good When was the last time they did this ?Is this going to signal the start of repeated beat downs from the existing tyrants until a convention goes their way ? Like prevously mentioned many times .....enforce the existing constitution and many issues would right themselves . |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:21:40 PM EDT
[#31]
A Constitutional cap on taxation is about the only solution we have left before being taxed into oblivion.
Funny, the avg guy, regardless of income, party or race, thinks the max tax rate should be around 25% or so. So it could be a populist issue in wavering states. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:23:04 PM EDT
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Motion to repeal Obamcare? Or a state compact to render Obamacare illegal within state signatories. Then sell insurance across state signatory lines, tort reform - loser pay, accredit doctors, and then sell catastrophic insurance to residence from outside the signatories. Then actively recruit the likes of Mayo and Cleveland to move to a 'free state'. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:23:23 PM EDT
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Here's their website: Article V Caucus Look at what they are about and then make up your mind. YMMV 112 But it will be used for bad eventually. It can work both ways. This is bad |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:25:04 PM EDT
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Not Fucking Good When was the last time they did this ?
Is this going to signal the start of repeated beat downs from the existing tyrants until a convention goes their way ? Like prevously mentioned many times .....enforce the existing constitution and many issues would right themselves . RFI A convention of states has never been assembled. This is not a Constitutional Convention in which the existing Constitution is replaced with a new document. However, politicians being what they are, a close watch is required to insure a package of amendments adverse to the Republic is not proposed. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:25:45 PM EDT
[#35]
Mark Levin is a driving force behind this movement. He's on top of it.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:26:18 PM EDT
[#36]
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Screw that. We don't need to change the Constitution. We need to start following it. Roberts unequivocally demonstrated that the Supreme Court has no interest in doing so, and is in fact the greatest threat to it. If anyone suggested to the founding fathers that the government can force people to engage in commerce, they'd have been hit over the head with a cane. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:27:17 PM EDT
[#37]
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Not Fucking Good When was the last time they did this ?
Is this going to signal the start of repeated beat downs from the existing tyrants until a convention goes their way ? Like prevously mentioned many times .....enforce the existing constitution and many issues would right themselves . Easier said than done. Business as usual in Washington DC is done with the approval of the SCOTUS. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:27:35 PM EDT
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But it will be used for bad eventually. It can work both ways. This is bad Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's their website: Article V Caucus Look at what they are about and then make up your mind. YMMV 112 But it will be used for bad eventually. It can work both ways. This is bad It is already bad and will only get worse. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:29:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Easier said than done. Business as usual in Washington DC is done with the approval of the SCOTUS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not Fucking Good When was the last time they did this ?Is this going to signal the start of repeated beat downs from the existing tyrants until a convention goes their way ? Like prevously mentioned many times .....enforce the existing constitution and many issues would right themselves . Easier said than done. Business as usual in Washington DC is done with the approval of the SCOTUS. Yep.....dont we all know it  |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:30:14 PM EDT
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A Constitutional cap on taxation is about the only solution we have left before being taxed into oblivion. Funny, the avg guy, regardless of income, party or race, thinks the max tax rate should be around 25% or so. So it could be a populist issue in wavering states. I agree, but the only thing the article said is:" term limits on U.S. lawmakers and certain limits on federal taxation and spending as possible amendments, and discussed amendments, citing a recent poll that shows 74 percent of Americans support a balanced budget amendment while another 75 percent support congressional term limits. " It all sounds kind of vague, them didn't give much detail.. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:31:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RFI A convention of states has never been assembled. This is not a Constitutional Convention in which the existing Constitution is replaced with a new document. However, politicians being what they are, a close watch is required to insure a package of amendments adverse to the Republic is not proposed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not Fucking Good When was the last time they did this ?Is this going to signal the start of repeated beat downs from the existing tyrants until a convention goes their way ? Like prevously mentioned many times .....enforce the existing constitution and many issues would right themselves . RFI A convention of states has never been assembled. This is not a Constitutional Convention in which the existing Constitution is replaced with a new document. However, politicians being what they are, a close watch is required to insure a package of amendments adverse to the Republic is not proposed. RIF ? I didnt see where it hadnt been done yet . And yeah....a close watch is absolutely good advice ......but quite possibly in vain Im all for term limits and tax reforms but you know it wont stop there ...the fuckers will force it into the socialist favor before long , just wait and see |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:32:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: May agree but how 'bout this: Just like a jury trial one member of the Supreme Court can rule a law unconstitutional. eta: not my idea - but heard it here Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They can include term limits on SCOTUS judges too, lifetime appointments are no good, that group is the one that can really make or bring down this country. May agree but how 'bout this: Just like a jury trial one member of the Supreme Court can rule a law unconstitutional. eta: not my idea - but heard it here I like it. The net effect would be less laws overall. We might lose a few beneficial ones, but an overall bias toward liberty is good for everyone.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:33:32 PM EDT
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Matthew Bracken is a prophet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Paging TravisMcgee. TravisMcgee to the white phone please. Matthew Bracken is a prophet. Yes he is. Funny how he is sailing away right about now. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:34:32 PM EDT
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This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A constitutional convention is a complete crap shoot. You have no idea going in what the outcome is going to be. It could be term limits or a balanced budget. It could just as easily be the abolition of the second or even first amendment. The one good thing about the process is I don't think you could get 38 state legislatures to agree the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so it may just be an exercise in futility. This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. You might want to do some reading. What was the purpose of the meeting which resulted in the drafting of the Constitution 
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:35:22 PM EDT
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Mark Levin has been all over this. They are laying the ground RULES for a limited Constitutional Convention. They are ensuring that when/if a CC is convened it will not be a free-for-all.
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:35:39 PM EDT
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Screw that. We don't need to change the Constitution. We need to start following it. Thank you |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:37:13 PM EDT
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It's a potential disaster. Amendments can as easily repealed as added. The Constitution is hard to amend for a reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's a start. It's a potential disaster. Amendments can as easily repealed as added. The Constitution is hard to amend for a reason. Edit: I misread. Any change would require 3/4 of the states to agree to it. Not an easy task. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:39:23 PM EDT
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Is it Fo time yet?
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:41:37 PM EDT
[#49]
They don't follow the Constitution now what difference would it make?
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Posted: 12/9/2013 1:46:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing gets passed if 1/4 of the States disapprove. Put another way, nothing gets passed unless 3/4 of the States approve. IMHO, it would be a practical impossibility to get anything in the Bill of Rights diminished, including the Second Amendment. As of the moment, I'm strongly inclined to favor such a move. The alternatives should such a Convention fail to at least begin to turn things around are horrible to contemplate. This is a 17th Amendment work-around. Restoration of the power of the states. Good stuff. |
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