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Posted: 1/17/2002 4:21:21 AM EDT
the amendment modifies the definition of a "large capacity ammunition magazine" by inserting the word "permanently" in between "been" and "altered." The State recognizes that some of its representatives may have provided informal advice to the effect that an ammunition magazine may be temporarily blocked to hold no more than 15 rounds; however, the Attorney General has never expressly adopted this position. To the contrary, through the promulgation of this regulation, the State expressly rejects that interpretation of the statute. Any person who currently owns or possesses an ammunition magazine which has been temporarily blocked from holding more than 15 rounds is hereby advised that he or she may retain possession of that ammunition magazine until the effective date of this amendment, that is, the date the notice of its adoption by the Division of State Police is published by the Office of Administrative Law in the New Jersey Register, see N.J.A.C. 1:30-6.6. During this time period, a person who owns or possesses an ammunition magazine which has been temporarily blocked from holding more than 15 rounds shall either: (1) transfer such ammunition magazine to any person or firm lawfully entitled to own or possess a large capacity ammunition magazine; (2) render such ammunition magazine permanently incapable of holding more than 15 rounds; or (3) voluntarily surrender the ammunition magazine pursuant to the provisions of N.J.S.A. 2C:39-12. After the effective date of this amendment, a person who owns or possesses an ammunition magazine which has been temporarily blocked from holding more than 15 rounds shall voluntarily surrender the ammunition magazine pursuant to the provisions of N.J.S.A. 2C:39-12 or risk prosecution for unlawful possession of a large capacity magazine pursuant to N.J.S.A. 2C:39-3(j). Finally, N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.2 has been amended to include a definition of "pistol grip" and "semi-automatic." These definitions are identical to those contained in N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1(z) and (x), respectively. Specifically, "pistol grip" has been defined to mean a well-defined handle, similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, and which permits the shotgun to be held and fired with one hand, and "semi-automatic" has been defined to mean a firearm which fires a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger and is self-reloading or automatically chambers a round, cartridge or bullet.
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Original Link: [url]http://www.state.nj.us/lps/rules/njsp/rp010702a.htm[/url] Tons of other admisistrative rule changes coming out of Col. Dunbars office. If you live or shoot in NJ (like me) get on the phone ASAP, or risk 18mo. in Prison for having a wood-blocked 20rd. at your highpower match. *Credit give to Keepandbeararms.com for the heads up.
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 4:54:52 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/17/2002 5:02:14 AM EDT
move to state that allows preban mags and buy more.
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 6:53:39 AM EDT
Damn... that's bad news for you NJ guys. That pisses me off and I don't even live in NJ!
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 10:54:22 AM EDT
Well I guess you can call NJ Calistan East. Hmmmm, do you see it now. Caliban West and Caliban East, with Feinstein in office trying to close the gap and united the entire contry as the country of Calistan. Just my .02
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 11:01:09 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/17/2002 11:34:46 AM EDT
I wonder if there is going to be any "grandfathering" of existing 16+ mags? If not, this is catastrophic for our NJ members! [V]
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 11:36:02 AM EDT
You'd almost be better off in Californistan.
Link Posted: 1/17/2002 11:44:07 PM EDT
And since (as far as I know) there are no 15 round AR magazines out there, you guys are going to be stuck with 10 rounders (that don’t work)!! I’d find out ASAP what an acceptable permanent conversion of a 20 or 30 round magazine would entail. The immediate response will probably be “we don’t know, but that’s no excuse for you not doing it”. And, of course, you’ll probably have to convert them to 14 round magazines since, if they’re 15 round mags and someone can force an extra round into it, you’ll go to jail. I’m not a lawyer, but it seems to me that the state might be bound by it’s “informal advise” which resulted in you guys buying high cap mags in “good faith”. On the other hand, ATF sometimes reverses itself and gets away with it. Sorry to hear this guys.
Link Posted: 1/20/2002 12:45:55 PM EDT
How about sending all your 20 and 30 rounders to me for safe keeping.
Link Posted: 1/20/2002 6:22:16 PM EDT
Dream on. There are "public" mags and "private" mags. Just like "public" rifles and "private" rifles.
Link Posted: 1/20/2002 7:10:37 PM EDT
How can the government make something you possess illegal, when it was formally legal, then charge you with a crime? Isn't that getting real close to ex post facto? I would think at the minimum, they'd either have to compensate you for the mag if you surrender it, or pay for the modifications to make it legal, especially when they are admitting to giving out false information!
Link Posted: 1/20/2002 7:21:53 PM EDT
There aren't the proper keys on the keyboard to express how much I hate this state. Oh god, when my lease expires... I am going to throw the biggest "got the hell out of Nazi Jersey" party you've ever seen!
Link Posted: 1/20/2002 7:25:11 PM EDT
This is outrageous! I hate NJ, I live there part time and hate this garbage. Does any one think that writing the outgoing Col. Carson Dunbar will make any worthwhile changes? Or would that put my Reg. on the dash of every NJSP cruiser? Who at the NRA do we contact to get this thing stopped? What do i pay my dues for! Any Sugg? Go Go Go
Link Posted: 1/20/2002 7:50:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2002 8:05:53 PM EDT by FMJunkie]
Originally Posted By cc48510: How about sending all your 20 and 30 rounders to me for safe keeping.
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My "public" mags just hit the EE. Care to take advantage of me? [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=88133[/url] [blue]Never mind, they're gone already![/blue]
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 6:04:26 AM EDT
BTT BTW: Thanks ex-Gov Christie Witless for upholding the Florio/Whitman (and soon to be McGreevy) Gun Ban![pissed]
Link Posted: 1/21/2002 10:56:56 AM EDT
If I had seen that FMJunkie before it sold, I might have bought them. Good price.
Link Posted: 1/23/2002 11:12:53 AM EDT
I don't get it when exactly does this take effect I think soon it will come to some drastic measures.Just look at all those gov high officals involved in ENRON.Now we have MR BEAN as GOV we are in deep trouble.
Link Posted: 1/23/2002 3:47:54 PM EDT
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It says the old law expires on May 17, 2002. It also says to submit comments (inter-departmental?) by March 8. Somewhere between those two dates I would imagine it has to be voted on by the state legislature. Not much time for you guys to call your representatives and bitch. Get busy. "The proposed amendments allow those who currently own or possess an ammunition magazine which has been temporarily blocked from holding more than 15 rounds to retain possession of that ammunition magazine until the effective date of this amendment, provided that during that time period, such persons either: (1)" Blah Blah Blah... This really sucks. Edited to add- What else do they have hidden in that document? It was to long and depressing to read all of it.
Link Posted: 1/23/2002 7:59:58 PM EDT
This isn't even a law. It's a "rule" invented by the police to tell us peons what the laws really say. The NJSP doesn't enforce the laws, they write rules and enforce those.
Link Posted: 1/24/2002 11:58:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2002 11:59:34 AM EDT by dickiev]
I called the area NRA lobbyist's office and emailed him the page. His sec. said he was aware of the rule change and was working hard to get things changed. I have yet to hear back from him. His name was Greg Costa, and i was told to direct emails to [email]groots@nra.org[/email] and in the subject line put Attn. Greg Costa. i encourage you guys to contact him as well. Go Go Go
Link Posted: 1/25/2002 7:33:13 AM EDT
Got a return email from the NRA, text below: Thank you for contacting NRA-ILA. As for your concern over a proposed revision to the New Jersey firearms code that would restrict magazine capacity, please know that we are aware of this proposed change and are working with the new administration to see that this suggestion from the outgoing administration is disregarded. We will be sure to keep our members in New Jersey informed of any changes in the laws. Sincerely, Rebecca A. Williams Hope my member dues will get the job done! To everyone else, contact anyone you know, and get them to write as well. Go Go Go
Link Posted: 1/25/2002 6:21:30 PM EDT
Hey Fellow NJ GUYS, this is only the beginning. Look for our current GOV. to push for a handgun ban!. This guy is Florio2, maybe one step worse. Got inside info that he is pissed about NJ gun owners supporting Schundler. He will try to push for the first handgun ban by private citizens in the US. Think it can't happen? That's what I thought about the first National Rifle ban without a Grandfather clause!!Well it happened here!!
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