Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
Member Login

Site Notices
Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 22
Posted: 5/11/2016 6:51:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/14/2016 2:14:37 PM EDT by Dana1972]
Remember Mohammad Gulab the Afghan that saved Marcus Luttrell in Afghanistan? He's given a very scathing interview to News Week about his version of what he saw and how he preceived the events in the Aftermath of Operation Red Wings.

It's a long but interesting read:

"More puzzling: While Luttrell wrote that he fired round after round during the battle, Gulab says the former SEAL still had 11 magazines of ammunition when the villagers rescued him—all that he had brought on the mission."

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/05/20/mohammad-gulab-marcus-luttrell-navy-seal-lone-survivor-operation-red-wings-458139.html


For the record: I'm not judging Marcus or anyone else. It's not my place to and I respect and consider all involved to be heroes. Just sharing the article.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 7:02:24 PM EDT
But it wasn’t Luttrell who saved him from the Taliban; the two had a falling out over money, respect and what really happened to the SEALs on that tragic day.
View Quote


not surprising
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:06:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:07:46 PM EDT
In on 1.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:10:39 PM EDT
In before Sylvan
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:11:38 PM EDT
I've read on here before that it didn't go like Lutrell portrayed it at all but who the hell knows. It's not my place to question or judge.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:16:59 PM EDT
Good read.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:21:04 PM EDT
I don't know what to believe anymore.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:23:37 PM EDT
let the stories meet in the middle...where truth normally lies....
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:24:06 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By webnole78:
I've read on here before that it didn't go like Lutrell portrayed it at all but who the hell knows. It's not my place to question or judge.
View Quote

I have friends that were on the rescue team, last time I voiced my opinion of luttrell I was cussed constantly.

I'll bite my tongue this time but let's just say I'm no fan of him
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:28:33 PM EDT
IN
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:31:30 PM EDT
My only statement is I am glad Luttrel survived.

Without his eyewitness account, Lieutenant Murphy would not have received the Medal of Honor.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:33:57 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By broadrunarms:
My only statement is I am glad Luttrel survived.

Without his eyewitness account, Lieutenant Murphy would not have received the Medal of Honor.
View Quote
Indeed
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:34:53 PM EDT
We'll never know the truth about that one.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:41:57 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Blacktide:
We'll never know the truth about that one.
View Quote
Other than small matter of the videos taken by the assaulters of the whole thing. The only thing more tragic than losing men to stupidity is failing to learn from it.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:42:06 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Blacktide:
We'll never know the truth about that one.
View Quote


Sure we will...

SEALs notoriously under-plan ops and "wing it."

They had a really bad exfil plan and didn't have redundant communication capabilities.

They got into a firefight with 10-20 dudes and got their shit pushed in.

A bunch of good people got killed trying to unfuck the situation.

Luttrell wrote a book, embellished the truth (especially when to came to the size of the force that they encountered) to cover his ass.

They made a movie out of it.

The end.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:44:02 PM EDT
In on 1. Will read the link now.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:44:10 PM EDT
This thread is a Category 5 Shit Storm brewing.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:44:43 PM EDT
been saying for years... that gun fight lasted for about 10 seconds... Marcus was just the luckiest and the fastest.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:46:34 PM EDT

I believe the account in Victory Point is far closer to the truth than Lone Survivor. What really happened is something only the Taliban and Luttrell know.

It is my estimation that the Navy did not like the idea of bad press for the SEALs and concocted a script for Luttrell to follow. I don't know how anyone would handle such a situation that weaves:survivor's guilt,the loss of comrades,celebrity,maintaining a false narrative so as for whatever he has done since ,I can offer no opinion.

Jessica Lynch was in mostly the same position but it was not really surprising that nobody was shocked when she said that the story and reality did not match. Luttrell is far deeper down the rabbit hole and,like it or not, the expectations of a 20 year old female clerk and a SEAL are far different. Does it really matter now? Not really. However,I think not wanting to discuss the truth creates a totally unrealistic expectation in so much that when something like the loss of Extortion 17 happens ,some get conspiratorial rather than accepting that war is war.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:47:19 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
This thread is a Category 5 Shit Storm brewing.
View Quote
Needs more Glenn Beck pet seal storytime. Complete with made up Taliban capture.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:49:31 PM EDT
Tagaroni.

LoL.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:51:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:53:42 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:

I have friends that were on the rescue team, last time I voiced my opinion of luttrell I was cussed constantly.


I'll bite my tongue this time but let's just say I'm no fan of him
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Originally Posted By webnole78:
I've read on here before that it didn't go like Lutrell portrayed it at all but who the hell knows. It's not my place to question or judge.

I have friends that were on the rescue team, last time I voiced my opinion of luttrell I was cussed constantly.


I'll bite my tongue this time but let's just say I'm no fan of him


what did they say happened
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:54:20 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By d16man:
Well the movie showed Mike giving him extra mags...



Regardless of what actually happened, we lost too many guys that day.
View Quote



The movie showed Markie Mark stabbing a dude with the help of a pashtun kid handin him a knife in an epic raid/battle to escape the village.

Totally real.

Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:54:33 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By MP0117:


Sure we will...

SEALs notoriously under-plan ops and "wing it."

They had a really bad exfil plan and didn't have redundant communication capabilities.

They got into a firefight with 10-20 dudes and got their shit pushed in.

A bunch of good people got killed trying to unfuck the situation.

Luttrell wrote a book, embellished the truth (especially when to came to the size of the force that they encountered) to cover his ass.

They made a movie out of it.

The end.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By MP0117:
Originally Posted By Blacktide:
We'll never know the truth about that one.


Sure we will...

SEALs notoriously under-plan ops and "wing it."

They had a really bad exfil plan and didn't have redundant communication capabilities.

They got into a firefight with 10-20 dudes and got their shit pushed in.

A bunch of good people got killed trying to unfuck the situation.

Luttrell wrote a book, embellished the truth (especially when to came to the size of the force that they encountered) to cover his ass.

They made a movie out of it.

The end.


Ayup.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:55:49 PM EDT
The oddest thing about it (to me) is that, if the whole story has been fantastically embellished, that Luttrell was able to basically prosper and become a celebrity over it. If I had survived an event that lead to the deaths of the rest of my team then I wouldn't ever want to talk about it, write a book about it, be in a movie about it, etc... I'd just want to drop it and be forgotten about.

Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:56:36 PM EDT
I want to know who the fuck is buying Luttrell's line of clothing and ammo?
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:57:36 PM EDT
Shits about to get real.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:57:43 PM EDT
Is this another case of a false hero?
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:58:56 PM EDT
I didn't realize what a dick he was to Gulab.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:59:14 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Vne:
The oddest thing about it (to me) is that, if the whole story has been fantastically embellished, that Luttrell was able to basically prosper and become a celebrity over it. If I had survived an event that lead to the deaths of the rest of my team then I wouldn't ever want to talk about it, write a book about it, be in a movie about it, etc... I'd just want to drop it and be forgotten about.

View Quote


Same here.

If it is embellished then he is a POS.

I don't know enough to judge though. I just hope that he didn't see it as something to get famous for and ran with it.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 8:59:44 PM EDT
Anybody with a brain could tell that book stank to high heaven of bullshit and embellishment.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:00:32 PM EDT
You could hear a pin drop though.




Oh wait. Different seal /movie.

Oops
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:01:11 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By duke23433:


what did they say happened
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By duke23433:
Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Originally Posted By webnole78:
I've read on here before that it didn't go like Lutrell portrayed it at all but who the hell knows. It's not my place to question or judge.

I have friends that were on the rescue team, last time I voiced my opinion of luttrell I was cussed constantly.


I'll bite my tongue this time but let's just say I'm no fan of him


what did they say happened


... Probably nothing, considering the rescue team was killed.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:01:59 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Demosthenes99:
Anybody with a brain could tell that book stank to high heaven of bullshit and embellishment.
View Quote


IRRC, the guy who helped train him and his brother for BUDS was a valor stealer.

If SHTF on this story, dude may need to be put on suicide watch.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:02:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:02:13 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Vne:
The oddest thing about it (to me) is that, if the whole story has been fantastically embellished, that Luttrell was able to basically prosper and become a celebrity over it. If I had survived an event that lead to the deaths of the rest of my team then I wouldn't ever want to talk about it, write a book about it, be in a movie about it, etc... I'd just want to drop it and be forgotten about.

View Quote



I would give all the money I made from it to a good cause; perhaps helping the people that saved my life and to legitimate wounded veterans foundations.

But I am an honorable person and would feel guilty about it
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:02:32 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By duke23433:


what did they say happened
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By duke23433:
Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Originally Posted By webnole78:
I've read on here before that it didn't go like Lutrell portrayed it at all but who the hell knows. It's not my place to question or judge.

I have friends that were on the rescue team, last time I voiced my opinion of luttrell I was cussed constantly.


I'll bite my tongue this time but let's just say I'm no fan of him


what did they say happened

I would like to hear? PM or link to previous threads?
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:03:10 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By AKFF:

I would like to hear? PM or link to previous threads?
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By AKFF:
Originally Posted By duke23433:
Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Originally Posted By webnole78:
I've read on here before that it didn't go like Lutrell portrayed it at all but who the hell knows. It's not my place to question or judge.

I have friends that were on the rescue team, last time I voiced my opinion of luttrell I was cussed constantly.


I'll bite my tongue this time but let's just say I'm no fan of him


what did they say happened

I would like to hear? PM or link to previous threads?


This.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:04:49 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By slims_88:
In on 1. Will read the link now.
View Quote



Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:05:02 PM EDT
Ooohhh boy.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:05:50 PM EDT
Someone in the military embellished a story?
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:05:50 PM EDT
Somehow, the whole episode brings this to mind:


Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:06:06 PM EDT
Could it be Gulab is butthurt after the way Marcus treated him?
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:07:48 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By ponchsox:
Could it be Gulab is butthurt after the way Marcus treated him?
View Quote



Gulab came to Texas and shot guns and hung out with Marcus on 60 minutes.
They seemed to get along great.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:07:53 PM EDT
Copy that, shit storm to our south and moving north, free to engage
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:08:58 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:


... Probably nothing, considering the rescue team was killed.
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Number0neGun:
Originally Posted By duke23433:
Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Originally Posted By webnole78:
I've read on here before that it didn't go like Lutrell portrayed it at all but who the hell knows. It's not my place to question or judge.

I have friends that were on the rescue team, last time I voiced my opinion of luttrell I was cussed constantly.


I'll bite my tongue this time but let's just say I'm no fan of him


what did they say happened


... Probably nothing, considering the rescue team was killed.


I pretty sure he was referring to the Rangers that went in after the QRF.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:10:23 PM EDT
I read and watched the attached commentary. It seems that this whole thing is about money. It mentions that the person that aided Luttrel got nothing and is living in the US on food stamps, while Luttrel made a good amount of money.

I don't know anything other than I read the book and watched the film. I don't know about failed redundant communications or evacuation planning. I know that some people did not get to spend their last moments with their family which is terrible. Anytime money is involved things get dirty, but I would be hesitant to believe the claims of this guy over Luttrel. Food stamps in the USA is a whole lot better than goats and no plumbing not to mention the flow of terrorists where he came from.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:11:17 PM EDT
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Vne:
The oddest thing about it (to me) is that, if the whole story has been fantastically embellished, that Luttrell was able to basically prosper and become a celebrity over it. If I had survived an event that lead to the deaths of the rest of my team then I wouldn't ever want to talk about it, write a book about it, be in a movie about it, etc... I'd just want to drop it and be forgotten about.

View Quote



It's his way of absolving his guilt. He was the luckiest and the fastest to cover that day. Shit was over in a couple of seconds... this is how he absolves himself of not dying with his brothers.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 9:11:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/11/2016 9:12:47 PM EDT by johnnypantz]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:

I have friends that were on the rescue team, last time I voiced my opinion of luttrell I was cussed constantly.


I'll bite my tongue this time but let's just say I'm no fan of him
View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Originally Posted By webnole78:
I've read on here before that it didn't go like Lutrell portrayed it at all but who the hell knows. It's not my place to question or judge.

I have friends that were on the rescue team, last time I voiced my opinion of luttrell I was cussed constantly.


I'll bite my tongue this time but let's just say I'm no fan of him



I've heard you speak, and it is credible. Having talked to a few others I know, his story sounds more and more like major embellishment
Arrow Left Previous Page
Page / 22
Top Top