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Posted: 10/17/2010 9:36:24 PM EDT
These fucksticks have a lot of nerve.  The property taxes in Anchorage are among the highest in the USA, and the union doesn't think it's enough.  Apparently they seem to think we work for them, not the other way around.



http://media.adn.com/smedia/2010/10/17/19/SKMBT_75110101408170.85235.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf



Unbelievable.




Link Posted: 10/17/2010 10:01:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/17/2010 10:04:43 PM EDT by Meanj82]
Typical, I just came back from working there.  I heard of alot of the bullshit going on in the cities.
Link Posted: 10/17/2010 10:02:28 PM EDT
Public employee unions should be outlawed.
Link Posted: 10/17/2010 10:05:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja:
Public employee unions should be outlawed.


Union Busting will become trendy ,again.
Link Posted: 10/17/2010 10:10:41 PM EDT
How dare you undertax!!!
Link Posted: 10/17/2010 10:10:41 PM EDT
Well like Texas, Alaska had it's banking/property bubble in the early 80's based on the boom of the oil industry.  When oil prices crashed so did the property bubble and thing really didn't turn around and growing until the late 90's or so.  So when the bubble in housing started, Texas and Alaska banks didn't get sucked in and both states haven't really been hurt by the recession.



Anchorage doesn't have a sales tax or an income tax, but the tax on property is just outrageous.  A lot of people rather live in Wasilla 40 miles away and commute to avoid it.  Homeowners foot the bills for the government and you know it's crazy when your property tax bill is larger than your mortgage for the year.  Liberals and Democrats basically scoff at any complaints as whining and say we need all these services and there's no other way to pay for it, and we need to cough up more.



One of the last acts the outgoing mayor did (before he became a Democrat Senator who rubberstamps Harry Reid) was to award a really lavish contract on firemen and policemen.  I was surprised he didn't do this earlier because he is a machine-type Democrat politician, but I guess he was waiting until he secured the office of Senator and then fucked over the taxpayers of Anchorage as a going away present.
Link Posted: 10/17/2010 10:17:06 PM EDT
What kind of tax rate are we looking at?
Link Posted: 10/17/2010 10:18:05 PM EDT

Needs more torch and pitch fork.  

Link Posted: 10/17/2010 10:19:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By markl32:

Needs more torch and pitch fork.  



Futschteeps ,Footsteps ...
Link Posted: 10/17/2010 11:03:42 PM EDT
Fire them all.

Hire people who are willing to work for what is offered.



Link Posted: 10/17/2010 11:11:10 PM EDT
Municipalities always plead poverty when it comes to contract time.
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 6:32:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Municipalities always plead poverty when it comes to contract time.


As they should

That money is collected from the taxpayers and should be used to the best, most cost effective, use for the taxpayers. It's not a fucking feeding trough for slimy unions and politicians.
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 6:34:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Originally Posted By markl32:

Needs more torch and pitch fork.  



Futschteeps ,Footsteps ...




Link Posted: 10/24/2010 6:35:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2010 7:04:19 AM EDT by RDak]
Is there ANY group LESS MORE selfish than politicians and union workers?
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 6:45:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RDak:
Is there ANY group LESS selfish than politicians and union workers?


LESS = more?
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 7:00:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FMJ3:
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Municipalities always plead poverty when it comes to contract time.


As they should

That money is collected from the taxpayers and should be used to the best, most cost effective, use for the taxpayers. It's not a fucking feeding trough for slimy unions and politicians.


They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either.
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 7:04:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2010 7:04:54 AM EDT by RDak]
Originally Posted By fr4th0:
Originally Posted By RDak:
Is there ANY group LESS MORE selfish than politicians and union workers?


LESS = more?


Oops...........edited!!
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 10:57:04 AM EDT
I just read it. They even bitch about the idea of a new sales tax to provide them with tax dollars as being "regressive". Total liberals.

We just need to get rid of unions altogether. They've lost all understanding that they are only employees and not the "partners" they insist on being (per the letter).
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 11:06:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2010 11:14:40 AM EDT by SOTG-SM]
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By FMJ3:
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Municipalities always plead poverty when it comes to contract time.


As they should

That money is collected from the taxpayers and should be used to the best, most cost effective, use for the taxpayers. It's not a fucking feeding trough for slimy unions and politicians.


They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either.


When are you gonna stop shilling for unions?  They are un American and eat small children.  Why do you advocate the ingestion of small children?

Unlike Scrooge - who used his own capital and took a risk in his own personal business governments run on taxes.  Those taxes are generated by my wealth and property.  Too many people - like you tc556guy - think that my property and wealth belong to government local, state or federal.  Well, my friend, on Nov 2nd local, state and federal will learn that we are their masters and they work for us.

One more thing -  THEY ARE BROKE - words cannot describe the lack of intellect geeeesh.
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 11:23:48 AM EDT
In New Mexico in our local county, we received a notice from our local assessor stating that all property tax's are going up (WTF?) but don't blame me (or the county); blame the State.  POS - the county much less the State does little for our local (small rural) community.  With the majority of people on State Medicade, next to the last school system in the nation and lousy public service, I blame all the politicians.  Although a small repreve and a registered demoncrate (with a small D), I voted straight republican (again with a small R) and Tea Party individuals when possible.  
In the end, I truly believe we are screwed unless there's a revolution of some sort beyond just voting.
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 11:48:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By FMJ3:
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Municipalities always plead poverty when it comes to contract time.


As they should

That money is collected from the taxpayers and should be used to the best, most cost effective, use for the taxpayers. It's not a fucking feeding trough for slimy unions and politicians.


They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either.


Yeah, they need to act like all big spenders in DC

Socialist mentality = the suck
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 11:51:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja:
Public employee unions should be outlawed.


Truth.
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 12:17:44 PM EDT
I love how all these taxpayer funded employees (union & non-union both) bitch about their compensation being reduced(or not increased), while the income of the people who pay them has declined, or has failed to increase for the last several years.

It seems like every time I turn around, there's another story about the employees of various governmental entities bitching and moaning about not getting "their" raise or COLA or wtf ever. Well, motherfuckers, I didn't get mine, either. Suck it.
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 12:40:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By worker:
In New Mexico in our local county, we received a notice from our local assessor stating that all property tax's are going up (WTF?) but don't blame me (or the county); blame the State.  POS - the county much less the State does little for our local (small rural) community.  With the majority of people on State Medicade, next to the last school system in the nation and lousy public service, I blame all the politicians.  Although a small repreve and a registered demoncrate (with a small D), I voted straight republican (again with a small R) and Tea Party individuals when possible.  
In the end, I truly believe we are screwed unless there's a revolution of some sort beyond just voting.


The state budget directors and city managers identify more with their fellow government paycheck collecting workers than they do the people.
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 12:41:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2010 6:23:37 PM EDT by shooter69]
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either.


Where I live they have been raising taxes and making some cuts. A lot of taxpayers here are in BAD SHAPE. Foreclosures and for sale signs galore (not to mention empty storefronts). WTF are you talking about?


[Edited to properly attribute quote: sorry SOTG-SM]
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 5:01:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By shooter69:
Originally Posted By SOTG-SM:
They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either.


Where I live they have been raising taxes and making some cuts. A lot of taxpayers here are in BAD SHAPE. Foreclosures and for sale signs galore (not to mention empty storefronts). WTF are you talking about?




I'm not talking NOW. Look back at what I said. Gov't has ALWAYS pled poverty. Even when times were good and revenues were up, gov't was pleading poverty at contract time.

Understand the context of what I'm saying.
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 5:37:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By shooter69:
Originally Posted By SOTG-SM:
They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either.


Where I live they have been raising taxes and making some cuts. A lot of taxpayers here are in BAD SHAPE. Foreclosures and for sale signs galore (not to mention empty storefronts). WTF are you talking about?




I'm not talking NOW. Look back at what I said. Gov't has ALWAYS pled poverty. Even when times were good and revenues were up, gov't was pleading poverty at contract time.

Understand the context of what I'm saying.


Bullshit, they were spending like the gravy train would never stop and making all sorts of deals with gov't employees

Now they're gonna have a hard time generating enough revenue to keep all the pigs fed like they're used to
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 5:38:30 PM EDT



Originally Posted By mattja:


Public employee unions should be outlawed.






 
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 5:46:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 5:48:01 PM EDT
but dont these same employees pay the SAME taxes?
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 6:08:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By markl32:

Needs more torch and pitch fork, and cowbell.



Fixed it for ya.
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 6:11:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 6:21:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By FMJ3:
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Municipalities always plead poverty when it comes to contract time.


As they should

That money is collected from the taxpayers and should be used to the best, most cost effective, use for the taxpayers. It's not a fucking feeding trough for slimy unions and politicians.


They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either.


typical union mentality.

Link Posted: 10/24/2010 6:48:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FMJ3:
Bullshit, they were spending like the gravy train would never stop and making all sorts of deals with gov't employees


Not BS. We've been hearing the poverty excuse every contract time  the whole 22 years I've been working where I am at.
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 6:49:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter:
They always should.

It is money siezed by force of law from the productive citizens that government serves. They should be as miserly as possible at all times with those funds. Because times are good is no excuse to not be as fiscally tight as they can and still provide the basic level of services the taxpayers want.



We're productive too. Just because you don't acknowledge it doesn't mean it isn't true.
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 7:01:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2010 7:07:51 PM EDT by Garand_Shooter]
Link Posted: 10/24/2010 8:56:08 PM EDT
The last democratic mayor (and now senator) gave a sweetheart deal to the unions as a big thank you.
Now the bill has come due and we don't have the money.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 12:54:02 AM EDT
Three pages to say "no".
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 2:10:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2010 2:15:07 AM EDT by tc556guy]
Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter:
Meanwhile there are communities with very minimal to almost no public service workers, but plenty of non-government workers, that survive.
.


Maybe if you're talking about little hamlets of a couple hundred people. Start getting up into populations of a couple thousand and yes, you start needing government and everything that comes along with that.
I bet even in the communities you're thinking of that there is a government entity near-by providing the services for that little burg, even if those operations aren't being run out of that hamlet.

Productive in terms of an economy means those who produce wealth or value for the economy. Without that class of people, the municipality- whatever size- can't have a tax base to sustain itself. Thats not to say you don't work- but the work you do doesn't add to the economy of your community


Without OUR services, YOUR industry isn't going to survive as well as it does. If customers and employees are afraid to come to your location, your sales will suffer. If you have to take time out of your day to rotate  men the sandbagged OP on top of your business because your area is a warzone due to a lack of poice and courts, your sales will suffer. If you have to take time out of your day to personally accomplish any of the functions that gov't currently  fills, your sales will suffer. So its a symbiotic relationship. Our being here helps your business thrive.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 2:21:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tc556guy:Without OUR services, YOUR industry isn't going to survive as well as it does. If customers and employees are afraid to come to your location, your sales will suffer. If you have to take time out of your day to rotate  men the sandbagged OP on top of your business because your area is a warzone due to a lack of poice and courts, your sales will suffer. If you have to take time out of your day to personally accomplish any of the functions that gov't currently  fills, your sales will suffer. So its a symbiotic relationship. Our being here helps your business thrive.


Difference being that business can exist without bottom feeding public employee unions, bottom feeding employee unions are parasitic and can not exist without business.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 2:54:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Originally Posted By mattja:
Public employee unions should be outlawed.


Union Busting will become trendy ,again.


We can only hope

Link Posted: 10/25/2010 4:36:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By fingas:
Difference being that business can exist without bottom feeding public employee unions, bottom feeding employee unions are parasitic and can not exist without business.


A union is not the terrible thing some of you guys make it out to be. Why some of the members here continue to demonize the concepts of a union escapes me.Contrary to claims I see here, the need for unions is not past. Your average union is not a huge thing like the UAW.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 4:53:52 AM EDT



Originally Posted By tc556guy:



Originally Posted By fingas:

Difference being that business can exist without bottom feeding public employee unions, bottom feeding employee unions are parasitic and can not exist without business.




A union is not the terrible thing some of you guys make it out to be. Why some of the members here continue to demonize the concepts of a union escapes me.Contrary to claims I see here, the need for unions is not past. Your average union is not a huge thing like the UAW.


I actually agree.  Unions are fine as long as they don't receive special protections and favors under the law.  People should be free to unionize all they want, but fully expect that when they've pushed too far they will all get canned.  Calling for laws to get rid of unions is just as stupid as calling for laws to make them more powerful.



 
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 4:56:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By Garand_Shooter:
They always should.

It is money siezed by force of law from the productive citizens that government serves. They should be as miserly as possible at all times with those funds. Because times are good is no excuse to not be as fiscally tight as they can and still provide the basic level of services the taxpayers want.



We're productive too. Just because you don't acknowledge it doesn't mean it isn't true.

Sorry, you're entirely indirect labor.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 4:59:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheBigRuss:

I actually agree.  Unions are fine as long as they don't receive special protections and favors under the law.  People should be free to unionize all they want, but fully expect that when they've pushed too far they will all get canned.  Calling for laws to get rid of unions is just as stupid as calling for laws to make them more powerful.
 

Define "push too far". Who gets to determine that line in the sand? The employer? In that case, in businesses that need the union, the employer would be canning everyone for simply unionising. That is why unions need protections.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 4:59:56 AM EDT
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW poor babies
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 5:00:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mnd:
Sorry, you're entirely indirect labor.


See my follow up post. Your private labor wouldn't do so well if we weren't there to make conditions favorable for you. Try running your business in an LA riots scenario every day of teh week and see how profitable you'd be.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 5:03:18 AM EDT



Originally Posted By mattja:


Public employee unions should be outlawed.


yup



 
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 5:05:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tc556guy:
Originally Posted By mnd:
Sorry, you're entirely indirect labor.

See my follow up post. Your private labor wouldn't do so well if we weren't there to make conditions favorable for you. Try running your business in an LA riots scenario every day of the week and see how profitable you'd be.

Don't be so sensitive.

The point was that in every business indirect labor is only supported to the level necessary for the value it provides to direct labor.

The same applies to public services supported by tax dollars.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 5:12:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2010 5:13:39 AM EDT by TheBigRuss]





Originally Posted By tc556guy:





Originally Posted By TheBigRuss:





I actually agree.  Unions are fine as long as they don't receive special protections and favors under the law.  People should be free to unionize all they want, but fully expect that when they've pushed too far they will all get canned.  Calling for laws to get rid of unions is just as stupid as calling for laws to make them more powerful.


 



Define "push too far". Who gets to determine that line in the sand? The employer? In that case, in businesses that need the union, the employer would be canning everyone for simply unionising. That is why unions need protections.



Why should they need protections?  If a workforce wants to unionize and they are of actual value to the employer, then canning them all simply for being a union is only going to hurt the employer in the long run.  If the workforce is useless but wants to unionize to protect that uselessness then fuck 'em.





You don't have a right to a job, regardless of what democrats have tried to program into people... sorry.





 
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 7:04:09 AM EDT
Stupid union officials letting their greed show. Wow, who would have ever guessed that could happen?  
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