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Posted: 10/17/2010 10:01:17 PM EDT
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Typical, I just came back from working there. I heard of alot of the bullshit going on in the cities.
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Posted: 10/17/2010 10:02:28 PM EDT
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Public employee unions should be outlawed.
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Posted: 10/17/2010 10:05:01 PM EDT
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Public employee unions should be outlawed. Union Busting will become trendy ,again. 
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Posted: 10/17/2010 10:10:41 PM EDT
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How dare you undertax!!!
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Posted: 10/17/2010 10:10:41 PM EDT
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Well like Texas, Alaska had it's banking/property bubble in the early 80's based on the boom of the oil industry. When oil prices crashed so did the property bubble and thing really didn't turn around and growing until the late 90's or so. So when the bubble in housing started, Texas and Alaska banks didn't get sucked in and both states haven't really been hurt by the recession.
Anchorage doesn't have a sales tax or an income tax, but the tax on property is just outrageous. A lot of people rather live in Wasilla 40 miles away and commute to avoid it. Homeowners foot the bills for the government and you know it's crazy when your property tax bill is larger than your mortgage for the year. Liberals and Democrats basically scoff at any complaints as whining and say we need all these services and there's no other way to pay for it, and we need to cough up more. One of the last acts the outgoing mayor did (before he became a Democrat Senator who rubberstamps Harry Reid) was to award a really lavish contract on firemen and policemen. I was surprised he didn't do this earlier because he is a machine-type Democrat politician, but I guess he was waiting until he secured the office of Senator and then fucked over the taxpayers of Anchorage as a going away present. |
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Posted: 10/17/2010 10:17:06 PM EDT
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What kind of tax rate are we looking at?
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Posted: 10/17/2010 10:18:05 PM EDT
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Needs more torch and pitch fork. |
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Posted: 10/17/2010 10:19:38 PM EDT
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Needs more torch and pitch fork. Futschteeps ,Footsteps ... |
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Posted: 10/17/2010 11:03:42 PM EDT
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Fire them all.
Hire people who are willing to work for what is offered. |
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Posted: 10/17/2010 11:11:10 PM EDT
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Municipalities always plead poverty when it comes to contract time.
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Posted: 10/24/2010 6:32:42 AM EDT
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Municipalities always plead poverty when it comes to contract time. As they should 
That money is collected from the taxpayers and should be used to the best, most cost effective, use for the taxpayers. It's not a fucking feeding trough for slimy unions and politicians. 
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Posted: 10/24/2010 6:34:59 AM EDT
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Needs more torch and pitch fork. Futschteeps ,Footsteps ... 
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Posted: 10/24/2010 6:35:23 AM EDT
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Is there ANY group LESS MORE selfish than politicians and union workers?
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Posted: 10/24/2010 6:45:25 AM EDT
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Is there ANY group LESS selfish than politicians and union workers? LESS = more? |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 7:00:11 AM EDT
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Municipalities always plead poverty when it comes to contract time. As they should
That money is collected from the taxpayers and should be used to the best, most cost effective, use for the taxpayers. It's not a fucking feeding trough for slimy unions and politicians. They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 7:04:05 AM EDT
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Is there ANY group LESS MORE selfish than politicians and union workers? LESS = more? Oops...........edited!! 
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Posted: 10/24/2010 10:57:04 AM EDT
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I just read it. They even bitch about the idea of a new sales tax to provide them with tax dollars as being "regressive". Total liberals.
We just need to get rid of unions altogether. They've lost all understanding that they are only employees and not the "partners" they insist on being (per the letter). |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 11:06:56 AM EDT
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Municipalities always plead poverty when it comes to contract time. As they should
That money is collected from the taxpayers and should be used to the best, most cost effective, use for the taxpayers. It's not a fucking feeding trough for slimy unions and politicians. They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either. When are you gonna stop shilling for unions? They are un American and eat small children. Why do you advocate the ingestion of small children? Unlike Scrooge - who used his own capital and took a risk in his own personal business governments run on taxes. Those taxes are generated by my wealth and property. Too many people - like you tc556guy - think that my property and wealth belong to government local, state or federal. Well, my friend, on Nov 2nd local, state and federal will learn that we are their masters and they work for us. One more thing - THEY ARE BROKE - words cannot describe the lack of intellect geeeesh. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 11:23:48 AM EDT
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In New Mexico in our local county, we received a notice from our local assessor stating that all property tax's are going up (WTF?) but don't blame me (or the county); blame the State. POS - the county much less the State does little for our local (small rural) community. With the majority of people on State Medicade, next to the last school system in the nation and lousy public service, I blame all the politicians. Although a small repreve and a registered demoncrate (with a small D), I voted straight republican (again with a small R) and Tea Party individuals when possible.
In the end, I truly believe we are screwed unless there's a revolution of some sort beyond just voting. 
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Posted: 10/24/2010 11:48:50 AM EDT
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Municipalities always plead poverty when it comes to contract time. As they should
That money is collected from the taxpayers and should be used to the best, most cost effective, use for the taxpayers. It's not a fucking feeding trough for slimy unions and politicians. They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either. Yeah, they need to act like all big spenders in DC 
Socialist mentality = the suck
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Posted: 10/24/2010 11:51:00 AM EDT
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Public employee unions should be outlawed. Truth. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 12:17:44 PM EDT
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I love how all these taxpayer funded employees (union & non-union both) bitch about their compensation being reduced(or not increased), while the income of the people who pay them has declined, or has failed to increase for the last several years.
It seems like every time I turn around, there's another story about the employees of various governmental entities bitching and moaning about not getting "their" raise or COLA or wtf ever. Well, motherfuckers, I didn't get mine, either. Suck it. 
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Posted: 10/24/2010 12:40:29 PM EDT
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In New Mexico in our local county, we received a notice from our local assessor stating that all property tax's are going up (WTF?) but don't blame me (or the county); blame the State. POS - the county much less the State does little for our local (small rural) community. With the majority of people on State Medicade, next to the last school system in the nation and lousy public service, I blame all the politicians. Although a small repreve and a registered demoncrate (with a small D), I voted straight republican (again with a small R) and Tea Party individuals when possible. In the end, I truly believe we are screwed unless there's a revolution of some sort beyond just voting. The state budget directors and city managers identify more with their fellow government paycheck collecting workers than they do the people. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 12:41:54 PM EDT
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They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either. Where I live they have been raising taxes and making some cuts. A lot of taxpayers here are in BAD SHAPE. Foreclosures and for sale signs galore (not to mention empty storefronts). WTF are you talking about? [Edited to properly attribute quote: sorry SOTG-SM] |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 5:01:18 PM EDT
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They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either. Where I live they have been raising taxes and making some cuts. A lot of taxpayers here are in BAD SHAPE. Foreclosures and for sale signs galore (not to mention empty storefronts). WTF are you talking about? I'm not talking NOW. Look back at what I said. Gov't has ALWAYS pled poverty. Even when times were good and revenues were up, gov't was pleading poverty at contract time. Understand the context of what I'm saying. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 5:37:02 PM EDT
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They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either. Where I live they have been raising taxes and making some cuts. A lot of taxpayers here are in BAD SHAPE. Foreclosures and for sale signs galore (not to mention empty storefronts). WTF are you talking about? I'm not talking NOW. Look back at what I said. Gov't has ALWAYS pled poverty. Even when times were good and revenues were up, gov't was pleading poverty at contract time. Understand the context of what I'm saying. Bullshit, they were spending like the gravy train would never stop and making all sorts of deals with gov't employees
Now they're gonna have a hard time generating enough revenue to keep all the pigs fed like they're used to
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Posted: 10/24/2010 5:38:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Public employee unions should be outlawed. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 5:46:05 PM EDT
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They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either. Where I live they have been raising taxes and making some cuts. A lot of taxpayers here are in BAD SHAPE. Foreclosures and for sale signs galore (not to mention empty storefronts). WTF are you talking about? I'm not talking NOW. Look back at what I said. Gov't has ALWAYS pled poverty. Even when times were good and revenues were up, gov't was pleading poverty at contract time. Understand the context of what I'm saying. They always should. It is money siezed by force of law from the productive citizens that government serves. They should be as miserly as possible at all times with those funds. Because times are good is no excuse to not be as fiscally tight as they can and still provide the basic level of services the taxpayers want. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 5:48:01 PM EDT
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but dont these same employees pay the SAME taxes?
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Posted: 10/24/2010 6:08:56 PM EDT
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Needs more torch and pitch fork, and cowbell. Fixed it for ya. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 6:11:01 PM EDT
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but dont these same employees pay the SAME taxes? Some do, some don't. Often the same folks screaming for higher taxes to pay them more will live outside the city they work in- to escape the taxes. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 6:21:06 PM EDT
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Municipalities always plead poverty when it comes to contract time. As they should
That money is collected from the taxpayers and should be used to the best, most cost effective, use for the taxpayers. It's not a fucking feeding trough for slimy unions and politicians. They don't need to act like scrooge pretending that they are broke, either. typical union mentality. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 6:48:01 PM EDT
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Bullshit, they were spending like the gravy train would never stop and making all sorts of deals with gov't employees
Not BS. We've been hearing the poverty excuse every contract time the whole 22 years I've been working where I am at. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 6:49:21 PM EDT
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They always should. It is money siezed by force of law from the productive citizens that government serves. They should be as miserly as possible at all times with those funds. Because times are good is no excuse to not be as fiscally tight as they can and still provide the basic level of services the taxpayers want. We're productive too. Just because you don't acknowledge it doesn't mean it isn't true. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 7:01:25 PM EDT
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They always should. It is money siezed by force of law from the productive citizens that government serves. They should be as miserly as possible at all times with those funds. Because times are good is no excuse to not be as fiscally tight as they can and still provide the basic level of services the taxpayers want. We're productive too. Just because you don't acknowledge it doesn't mean it isn't true. A city of all public servants paid by tax money, and nobody else, would last how long? Meanwhile there are communities with very minimal to almost no public service workers, but plenty of non-government workers, that survive. Productive in terms of an economy means those who produce wealth or value for the economy. Without that class of people, the municipality- whatever size- can't have a tax base to sustain itself. Thats not to say you don't work- but the work you do doesn't add to the economy of your community. The taxes you pay really just amount to a reduction in what you take out. The ones who are productive to the economy are the ones who pay in far more than they take out. Without those people, your job can't exist. Folks who pay taxes but don't get a paycheck from those they pay taxes to are "productive" to that economy for that level of government. Those who take more out than they pay in- be it in wages or services (like ambulance freeloaders who ride every week) are a "drain" on the economy. When the drain gets to high, the productive fight back, be it through elected officials or by leaving or quitting their productive activity. Like it or not, your paycheck depands on those other people continuing to produce so a share of what they produce can be taken from them to pay you. Come to grips with that and you will understand why the resposnible way for civic leaders to behave with tax dollars is to spend as little as possible to provide what the taxpayers want. |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 8:56:08 PM EDT
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The last democratic mayor (and now senator) gave a sweetheart deal to the unions as a big thank you.
Now the bill has come due and we don't have the money. |
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Posted: 10/25/2010 12:54:02 AM EDT
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Three pages to say "no".
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Posted: 10/25/2010 2:10:09 AM EDT
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Meanwhile there are communities with very minimal to almost no public service workers, but plenty of non-government workers, that survive. . Maybe if you're talking about little hamlets of a couple hundred people. Start getting up into populations of a couple thousand and yes, you start needing government and everything that comes along with that. I bet even in the communities you're thinking of that there is a government entity near-by providing the services for that little burg, even if those operations aren't being run out of that hamlet. Productive in terms of an economy means those who produce wealth or value for the economy. Without that class of people, the municipality- whatever size- can't have a tax base to sustain itself. Thats not to say you don't work- but the work you do doesn't add to the economy of your community
Without OUR services, YOUR industry isn't going to survive as well as it does. If customers and employees are afraid to come to your location, your sales will suffer. If you have to take time out of your day to rotate men the sandbagged OP on top of your business because your area is a warzone due to a lack of poice and courts, your sales will suffer. If you have to take time out of your day to personally accomplish any of the functions that gov't currently fills, your sales will suffer. So its a symbiotic relationship. Our being here helps your business thrive. |
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Posted: 10/25/2010 2:21:59 AM EDT
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Quoted:Without OUR services, YOUR industry isn't going to survive as well as it does. If customers and employees are afraid to come to your location, your sales will suffer. If you have to take time out of your day to rotate men the sandbagged OP on top of your business because your area is a warzone due to a lack of poice and courts, your sales will suffer. If you have to take time out of your day to personally accomplish any of the functions that gov't currently fills, your sales will suffer. So its a symbiotic relationship. Our being here helps your business thrive.
Difference being that business can exist without bottom feeding public employee unions, bottom feeding employee unions are parasitic and can not exist without business. |
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Posted: 10/25/2010 2:54:22 AM EDT
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Public employee unions should be outlawed. Union Busting will become trendy ,again. We can only hope
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Posted: 10/25/2010 4:36:44 AM EDT
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Difference being that business can exist without bottom feeding public employee unions, bottom feeding employee unions are parasitic and can not exist without business. A union is not the terrible thing some of you guys make it out to be. Why some of the members here continue to demonize the concepts of a union escapes me.Contrary to claims I see here, the need for unions is not past. Your average union is not a huge thing like the UAW. |
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Posted: 10/25/2010 4:53:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Difference being that business can exist without bottom feeding public employee unions, bottom feeding employee unions are parasitic and can not exist without business. A union is not the terrible thing some of you guys make it out to be. Why some of the members here continue to demonize the concepts of a union escapes me.Contrary to claims I see here, the need for unions is not past. Your average union is not a huge thing like the UAW. I actually agree. Unions are fine as long as they don't receive special protections and favors under the law. People should be free to unionize all they want, but fully expect that when they've pushed too far they will all get canned. Calling for laws to get rid of unions is just as stupid as calling for laws to make them more powerful. |
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Posted: 10/25/2010 4:56:52 AM EDT
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They always should. It is money siezed by force of law from the productive citizens that government serves. They should be as miserly as possible at all times with those funds. Because times are good is no excuse to not be as fiscally tight as they can and still provide the basic level of services the taxpayers want. We're productive too. Just because you don't acknowledge it doesn't mean it isn't true. Sorry, you're entirely indirect labor. |
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Posted: 10/25/2010 4:59:25 AM EDT
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I actually agree. Unions are fine as long as they don't receive special protections and favors under the law. People should be free to unionize all they want, but fully expect that when they've pushed too far they will all get canned. Calling for laws to get rid of unions is just as stupid as calling for laws to make them more powerful. Define "push too far". Who gets to determine that line in the sand? The employer? In that case, in businesses that need the union, the employer would be canning everyone for simply unionising. That is why unions need protections. |
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Posted: 10/25/2010 4:59:56 AM EDT
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AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW poor babies
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Posted: 10/25/2010 5:00:59 AM EDT
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Sorry, you're entirely indirect labor. See my follow up post. Your private labor wouldn't do so well if we weren't there to make conditions favorable for you. Try running your business in an LA riots scenario every day of teh week and see how profitable you'd be. |
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Posted: 10/25/2010 5:03:18 AM EDT
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Quoted: Public employee unions should be outlawed. yup |
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Posted: 10/25/2010 5:05:56 AM EDT
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Sorry, you're entirely indirect labor. See my follow up post. Your private labor wouldn't do so well if we weren't there to make conditions favorable for you. Try running your business in an LA riots scenario every day of the week and see how profitable you'd be. Don't be so sensitive. The point was that in every business indirect labor is only supported to the level necessary for the value it provides to direct labor. The same applies to public services supported by tax dollars. |
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Posted: 10/25/2010 5:12:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I actually agree. Unions are fine as long as they don't receive special protections and favors under the law. People should be free to unionize all they want, but fully expect that when they've pushed too far they will all get canned. Calling for laws to get rid of unions is just as stupid as calling for laws to make them more powerful. Define "push too far". Who gets to determine that line in the sand? The employer? In that case, in businesses that need the union, the employer would be canning everyone for simply unionising. That is why unions need protections. Why should they need protections? If a workforce wants to unionize and they are of actual value to the employer, then canning them all simply for being a union is only going to hurt the employer in the long run. If the workforce is useless but wants to unionize to protect that uselessness then fuck 'em. You don't have a right to a job, regardless of what democrats have tried to program into people... sorry. |
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Posted: 10/25/2010 7:04:09 AM EDT
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Stupid union officials letting their greed show. Wow, who would have ever guessed that could happen?
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