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Posted: 9/2/2015 8:12:40 PM EDT
Did a Google/arfcom search and this exact theory didn't come up.

I just watched this movie on Netflix, "JFK The smoking gun" from 2013.

It lacked crazy LSD staged overdose, LBJ did it, CIA did it, stories.

The TL/DR version.
Oswald fired and hit JFK with a 6.5mm producing 6.8mm entry wounds and slightly larger exits. But the head shot entry was 6mm and a massive exit. How or why did the same ammo from the same rifle make different entry sizes, one entry being smaller than a 6.5mm slug. Why were the exits so different, why did two 6.5 slugs pass through and come out looking like slugs while the head shot "exploded" leaving fragments in the brain?

The theory was put together by a firearms and ballistics expert.
His finding is basically a Secret Service agent in a following car grabbed this new odd AR15 rifle from the floorboard to engage a shooter after Oswalds first shots and began to stand up in the moving car. As the car sped up the agent fell back, and accidentally fired one shot from the AR striking JFK in the head. The "cover up" wasn't to hide a military take over, but simply to hide a horrible accident.

Preview

https://youtu.be/269NiovMgrs
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Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:15:16 PM EDT
No.

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Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:15:47 PM EDT
OP, you fail
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:16:13 PM EDT
Wat
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:16:35 PM EDT
The book was called Mortal Error, and it came out in1992.



Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:17:25 PM EDT
I sooner believe the single bullet theory...
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:17:41 PM EDT
No he wasnt.

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Originally Posted By Bud:
The book was called Mortal Error, and it came out in1992.



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Yes, and I'm talking about the film JFK The smoking gun
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Originally Posted By Marlboroman79:



Yes, and I'm talking about the film JFK The smoking gun
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Originally Posted By Marlboroman79:
Originally Posted By Bud:
The book was called Mortal Error, and it came out in1992.






Yes, and I'm talking about the film JFK The smoking gun


Still no.

Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:21:55 PM EDT
Time to refill the Rx.
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:24:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:32:01 PM EDT
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Woody Harrelson's father admitted he was the tramp behind the grassy knoll.  Twice convicted of murder for hire.


Eta... Convicted of the highest ranking assination since Kennedy.
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Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
If we're going to don a tinfoil hat, then I prefer the theory that the driver of JFKs limo fired the final head shot and that's why Jackie was trying to get out of the car.
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I still prefer the "elaborate suicide" theory.  He shot himself.
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Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
No he wasnt.

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Do you still got the shovel?

The world ain't what is seems, is it...




The theory is possible.  No less so than the "officially" accepted theory.  
Lots of odd things with oswald too.
And some things apparently never change - the Secret Service was out drinking and hanging out with strippers and hos until the wee hours of the morning.  Few of them were probably on their A game that morning.
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Yes.
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:35:23 PM EDT
Bullshit
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:35:35 PM EDT
do you think maybe it's possible that bullet holes aren't always the exact same diameter?

you're talking a less than 5% variance between the holes. For bullets that hit a moving object from different angles.
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:36:48 PM EDT


It really makes a compelling case, a lot more compelling than the village idiot in the book depository.





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Yes Marlboroman79.  Howard Donahue used simple paper, pencil, straightedges, dial caliper, common sense and knowledge of firearms to determine the truth.  A sequence of random events caused JFK's death. Donahue proved the head shot could only come from one place and that is the secret service car following directly behind.  Considering the simple angles and trajectories, anybody else trying to make the head shot would have had to shoot through the secret service car.  If Lee Harvey Oswald had not made the first shot, George W. Hickey Jr. would not have picked up the M16 to try to swing around and fire on Oswald.  NOW!  All you conspiracy theorists that are going to reply with all the smoke screen theories that were put out there to protect the secret service and Agent Hickey study Howard Donahue's articles and you will know that he was correct.  Donahue was the only marksman out of many who could accomplish what the Warren Commission said Oswald did putting 3 accurate shots downrange  in a short time with the Carcano rifle on camera for CBS's program 60 Minutes.  This feat is what gave Donahue credibility and sparked his interest in the assassination.
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it was a very interesting documentary, but i did find it a tad lacking.. how was this guy the only one to recognize the shot came from a SS man in the vehicle? no one else has been able to figure this out??

i will say the guy makes a great argument and the doc was a good watch, but i don't believe it...
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:37:56 PM EDT
And fire can't melt steel.
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:39:06 PM EDT
Not to take this thread seriously, but when was the AR first produced?  Just too lazy to search for that info considering the quality of this thread...
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:40:42 PM EDT
Ive been waiting for a conspiracy thread as its been a while since the last one.  This one wont be very entertaining though.  Can somebody just ask questions and blame the jews for something?  



Oh and NO.
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Sure.  And the seven other people in the car, including two kennedy aides and
the four motorcycle cops next to the car just happened to miss it.


Kennedy aide Dave Powers said, “Someone a foot away from me or two feet away from me couldn’t fire a gun without me hearing it.

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I have shot enough deer to know that second shot came from the front.   I don't care what the experts say.
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Originally Posted By atomicbrh:
Yes Marlboroman79.  Howard Donahue used simple paper, pencil, straightedges, dial caliper, common sense and knowledge of firearms to determine the truth.  A sequence of random events caused JFK's death. Donahue proved the head shot could only come from one place and that is the secret service car following directly behind.  Considering the simple angles and trajectories, anybody else trying to make the head shot would have had to shoot through the secret service car.  If Lee Harvey Oswald had not made the first shot, George W. Hickey Jr. would not have picked up the M16 to try to swing around and fire on Oswald.  NOW!  All you conspiracy theorists that are going to reply with all the smoke screen theories that were put out there to protect the secret service and Agent Hickey study Howard Donahue's articles and you will know that he was correct.  Donahue was the only marksman out of many who could accomplish what the Warren Commission said Oswald did putting 3 accurate shots downrange  in a short time with the Carcano rifle on camera for CBS's program 60 Minutes.  This feat is what gave Donahue credibility and sparked his interest in the assassination.
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Awesome.

Still, no.

Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:43:44 PM EDT
All potus attract nut jobs.  There were tons of nuts around the motorcade including Woody Haralson's Father.  The nuts will say anything to receive money from a reporter.  Even if it was $5 in the 1960's.
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:45:56 PM EDT
It was Colonel Mustard on the grassy knoll with a Swedish Mauser.

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Well, he was blind the whole time.
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Originally Posted By California_Kid:
It was Colonel Mustard on the grassy knoll with a Swedish Mauser.

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Dude! Use a spoiler alert.
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Originally Posted By SWMP15AOP:



Not to take this thread seriously, but when was the AR first produced?  Just too lazy to search for that info considering the quality of this thread...
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1959 for the military 1963 for civilians





 
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Homicides and accidental deaths do not defy the laws of physics.  JFK was killed "twice" if you think about it.  On purpose by LHO with the c-spine shot and accidentally by George Hickey Jr. with the head shot who was supposedly the only sober SS agent on that detail.  It always amazes me how throughout time, U.S. Government employees drink up their meal allowance when they are on TDY.  I would never drink on TDY because we would always have all our gear with us and I was afraid we would be deployed as the quickest to respond asset if an emergency happened.
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Originally Posted By SWMP15AOP:
Not to take this thread seriously, but when was the AR first produced?  Just too lazy to search for that info considering the quality of this thread...
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JFK holding an AR15



Secret Service Agent Hickey with AR15 right after JFK was shot.





Not saying I buy the MORTAL ERROR book, but the AR15 was around back then.....and it was in Dallas that day

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Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:53:51 PM EDT
There were 2000 or so eye witnesses.  Someone would have noticed it.
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 8:55:57 PM EDT
nonsense, everyone knows it was an remote controlled bullet from the future.

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Originally Posted By guntrk:
It really makes a compelling case, a lot more compelling than the village idiot in the book depository.



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An excerpt from Oswalds Marine Corps rifle  score card book



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Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:


If we're going to don a tinfoil hat, then I prefer the theory that the driver of JFKs limo fired the final head shot and that's why Jackie was trying to get out of the car.
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reach for that brain baby






Link Posted: 9/2/2015 9:01:48 PM EDT
OP, that's the most hairbrained, ridiculous theory I've ever heard. Choke yourself.
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 9:05:30 PM EDT
conspiracy theories are a waste of time
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Originally Posted By TEXASROOTERSBROTHER:


I have shot enough deer to know that second shot came from the front.   I don't care what the experts say.
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No.



I have shot enough deer to know that second shot came from the front.   I don't care what the experts say.


Yep.
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It really makes a compelling case, a lot more compelling than the village idiot in the book depository.







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An idiot wife a rifle can do a lot of damage fron 75 yards.

 
Link Posted: 9/2/2015 9:05:55 PM EDT
Marilyn Monroe from the Grassy Knoll.  She was aiming for Jackie and hit John instead.  High heel shoes are not optimal for marksmen.
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Originally Posted By TEXASROOTERSBROTHER:


I have shot enough deer to know that second shot came from the front.   I don't care what the experts say.
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Originally Posted By TEXASROOTERSBROTHER:
Originally Posted By USPcompact:
No.



I have shot enough deer to know that second shot came from the front.   I don't care what the experts say.


Kennedy was Catholic, not ungulate.
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I hate to say it, but it actually seems plausible to me.
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