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Posted: 2/27/2007 11:57:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/27/2007 11:59:15 AM EST by red65]
Hoo weee….

The Fudds are really coming out of the closet on this Zumbo thing.

Do a google search on “NRA Zumbo”

You’re going to see hundreds of Fudd hunters typing into various blogs about how “the NRA and their paranoid brainwashed members” are ruining Zumbo’s life over “nothing at all”.

They’re saying stuff like, “I guess I’ll make the NRA happy and go buy an AK47 for next deer season.” What a bunch of clueless assholes.

I’ve heard Fudds say they will not join the NRA but I always thought it was because they are too cheap. It turn out that they really believe the “ugly gun” Brady bunch crapola.

It amazes me.

A 30-06 bolt gun with a scope is an excellent sniper rifle. Do the Fudds think they are going to be permitted to keep such a weapon by the Hillary & Co. just because it has a wood stock? In its own way a fudd bolt gun in 30-06 or 300 win mag is a much more dangerous weapon than an AR15.

Talk about dumb.


The NRA has three sets of enemies:

1. Scumbag Liberal Fockstains that hate the NRA (like Hillary).

2. Fudd Hunters that hate the NRA (like Zumbo).

3. Totally Extreme ™ Tactical Commandos ™ that hate the NRA (like half the people on AR15.com).

I say to hell with all of them. I don’t even own an AR anymore but I hope Zumbo starves in the gutter.

Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:00:47 PM EST
Hoooahh
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:02:10 PM EST
I visit several hunting forums, and this is the first I've heard of this slant. In fact...believe it or not, I can link you to a thread where those Fudd hunters are just as mad at Jim as most everybody is here.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:05:14 PM EST
The funny thing is that, from what I saw, at least, the NRA had nothing to do with what happened to Zumbo. Maybe I missed something, but it looked like a internet discussion board driven jihad, not something that was orchestrated by the NRA. Heck, by the time they could figure out what to do about it, the damage was probably already done.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:08:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By eswanson:
The funny thing is that, from what I saw, at least, the NRA had nothing to do with what happened to Zumbo. Maybe I missed something, but it looked like a internet discussion board driven jihad, not something that was orchestrated by the NRA. Heck, by the time they could figure out what to do about it, the damage was probably already done.



Exactly, but that fact sure doesn't stop anyone from trying to find somebody to blame. Jim did what he did, and pissed a lot of people off...and they'll be pissed for a long time. I just don't understand why so many of these type of threads keep popping up. Just a lot of useless negativity that keeps the shit stirred up, and blinds everyone to any positive action.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:13:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Catsclaw:
I visit several hunting forums, and this is the first I've heard of this slant. In fact...believe it or not, I can link you to a thread where those Fudd hunters are just as mad at Jim as most everybody is here.


How about this little gem:

"Power corrupts and the NRA's power has made it a sick and twisted organization. The only silver lining in this story, if there is one, is that evil eventually always overreaches itself, eats its own young, and thereby destroys itself from the inside out and, if these socalled hunters and shooters turning on Jim Zumbo isn't a horrific example of this process in action, then I can't imagine what would be. I can only hope that Zumbo survives this treachery, stronger and more influential than before, and remembers that revenge is dish best served cold. The NRA needs to be beaten back to where it now belongs, in the dark and sleezy shadows along with its sister institution, the KKK."

That was written in response to an article in western outdoors travel magazine.

Do a search, the web is full of this shit.

Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:13:22 PM EST
Jeesus, how clueless.

First they can't wrap their brain around the fact that the Second Amendment isn't about duck/deer season anymore than Zumbo could.

Second, the NRA had NOTHING to do with it. If this was a NRA directed stance I'd be so fucking thrilled I'd be skipping down the street with a fucking lollipop.

Third, they don't seem to understand that OUR enemies are THEIR enemies. Zumbo joined the enemy.

Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:14:29 PM EST
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:19:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By Catsclaw:

Originally Posted By eswanson:
The funny thing is that, from what I saw, at least, the NRA had nothing to do with what happened to Zumbo. Maybe I missed something, but it looked like a internet discussion board driven jihad, not something that was orchestrated by the NRA. Heck, by the time they could figure out what to do about it, the damage was probably already done.



Exactly, but that fact sure doesn't stop anyone from trying to find somebody to blame. Jim did what he did, and pissed a lot of people off...and they'll be pissed for a long time. I just don't understand why so many of these type of threads keep popping up. Just a lot of useless negativity that keeps the shit stirred up, and blinds everyone to any positive action.


When a rattlesnake shakes its rattle and coils up, you blow its head off.

Some would call that "non contructive behavior" and an example of "poor teambuilding", but I think it's GREAT.

IN FACT I THINK IT'S FRIGGIN' WONDERFUL.

Do you honestly expect a gun writer to start mouthing this dizzy moronic brady bunch shit and keep his job?

Why would you want him to?

Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:22:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By red65:

Originally Posted By Catsclaw:
I visit several hunting forums, and this is the first I've heard of this slant. In fact...believe it or not, I can link you to a thread where those Fudd hunters are just as mad at Jim as most everybody is here.


How about this little gem:

"Power corrupts and the NRA's power has made it a sick and twisted organization. The only silver lining in this story, if there is one, is that evil eventually always overreaches itself, eats its own young, and thereby destroys itself from the inside out and, if these socalled hunters and shooters turning on Jim Zumbo isn't a horrific example of this process in action, then I can't imagine what would be. I can only hope that Zumbo survives this treachery, stronger and more influential than before, and remembers that revenge is dish best served cold. The NRA needs to be beaten back to where it now belongs, in the dark and sleezy shadows along with its sister institution, the KKK."

That was written in response to an article in western outdoors travel magazine.

Do a search, the web is full of this shit.




Like I said, for every positive, you can find a negative. Harping on the negative bury's the positive. I wasn't pointing at you when I said what I said, but with all due respect, all this posting of posts is doing nothing one way or the other IMO. Action is what will make the difference, and action takes time. I'm on your side and the side of all gun owners.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:23:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By red65:

A 30-06 bolt gun with a scope is an excellent sniper rifle. Do the Fudds think they are going to be permitted to keep such a weapon by the Hillary & Co. just because it has a wood stock? In its own way a fudd bolt gun in 30-06 or 300 win mag is a much more dangerous weapon than an AR15.



The thing is, yes they probably will get to keep them... quite a bit longer. We more likely own bolt guns than they are to own EBR's, or are more likely to buy them when our options dwindle.

So in the eventuality that we lose ours, it will only condense a larger number of firearms owners into a smaller category, effectively increasing our voice. They may not defend ours, but when ours are gone, you can't tell me half this board would call it a day and go home. The fight for bolt guns is going to be a MUCH harder one, and both anti's and fudds know it. Easy categories first. Saturday nights, assault/.50's, handguns, shotguns/bolts. Ammunition isn't immune either... just another front to be aware of.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:30:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By Catsclaw:

Originally Posted By red65:

Originally Posted By Catsclaw:
I visit several hunting forums, and this is the first I've heard of this slant. In fact...believe it or not, I can link you to a thread where those Fudd hunters are just as mad at Jim as most everybody is here.


How about this little gem:

"Power corrupts and the NRA's power has made it a sick and twisted organization. The only silver lining in this story, if there is one, is that evil eventually always overreaches itself, eats its own young, and thereby destroys itself from the inside out and, if these socalled hunters and shooters turning on Jim Zumbo isn't a horrific example of this process in action, then I can't imagine what would be. I can only hope that Zumbo survives this treachery, stronger and more influential than before, and remembers that revenge is dish best served cold. The NRA needs to be beaten back to where it now belongs, in the dark and sleezy shadows along with its sister institution, the KKK."

That was written in response to an article in western outdoors travel magazine.

Do a search, the web is full of this shit.




Like I said, for every positive, you can find a negative. Harping on the negative bury's the positive. I wasn't pointing at you when I said what I said, but with all due respect, all this posting of posts is doing nothing one way or the other IMO. Action is what will make the difference, and action takes time. I'm on your side and the side of all gun owners.


Really?

I lived in NJ when everyone was ORDERED to turn in their "assault rifles".

It's funny how a bogus idea like "uber-deadly 223 assault rifle" can become a law.

A law that carries prison time with it.

A law so weird and pointless that the state police cannot answer a simple question when asked.

This Dumbo Zumbo crap could get that law passed in other states.

IT'S NOT LIKE THE "ASSAULT WEAPON" LAWS ARE BASED ON LOGIC.

We're not fighting logic, we're fighting liberal bullshit.

I say we keep this Zumbo topic alive until he puts a finely crafted english fowling piece to his temple (but not an assault rifle, please!). Teach the other Fudd assholes a lesson.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:34:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Jeesus, how clueless.

First they can't wrap their brain around the fact that the Second Amendment isn't about duck/deer season anymore than Zumbo could.

Second, the NRA had NOTHING to do with it. If this was a NRA directed stance I'd be so fucking thrilled I'd be skipping down the street with a fucking lollipop.

Third, they don't seem to understand that OUR enemies are THEIR enemies. Zumbo joined the enemy.



Steyr, I think you really hit the nail on the head. I can't help but wonder, though, if this isn't the Old Guard talking. My father and many of his friends qualify as Fudds. I know much of the sentiment being echoed by many of these people seems to be rooted in an anachronistic mindset that is due, IMO, to a lack of exposure to EBR's.

The shooters and hunters I've met in my age range (I'm 26 now) do not begrudge the EBR's as hunting weapons. Heck here in the South, the SKS and AK are perfectly accepted deer hunting weapons. These people might prefer a bolt gun for deer hunting, due to minimum caliber restrictions in some states, but coyote and most varminters around my age look exclusively to the AR system.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:39:57 PM EST
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Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:47:13 PM EST
Hooray for Earth!
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:50:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By red65:

Originally Posted By Catsclaw:

Originally Posted By red65:

Originally Posted By Catsclaw:
I visit several hunting forums, and this is the first I've heard of this slant. In fact...believe it or not, I can link you to a thread where those Fudd hunters are just as mad at Jim as most everybody is here.


How about this little gem:

"Power corrupts and the NRA's power has made it a sick and twisted organization. The only silver lining in this story, if there is one, is that evil eventually always overreaches itself, eats its own young, and thereby destroys itself from the inside out and, if these socalled hunters and shooters turning on Jim Zumbo isn't a horrific example of this process in action, then I can't imagine what would be. I can only hope that Zumbo survives this treachery, stronger and more influential than before, and remembers that revenge is dish best served cold. The NRA needs to be beaten back to where it now belongs, in the dark and sleezy shadows along with its sister institution, the KKK."

That was written in response to an article in western outdoors travel magazine.

Do a search, the web is full of this shit.




Like I said, for every positive, you can find a negative. Harping on the negative bury's the positive. I wasn't pointing at you when I said what I said, but with all due respect, all this posting of posts is doing nothing one way or the other IMO. Action is what will make the difference, and action takes time. I'm on your side and the side of all gun owners.


Really?

I lived in NJ when everyone was ORDERED to turn in their "assault rifles".

It's funny how a bogus idea like "uber-deadly 223 assault rifle" can become a law.

A law that carries prison time with it.

A law so weird and pointless that the state police cannot answer a simple question when asked.

This Dumbo Zumbo crap could get that law passed in other states.

IT'S NOT LIKE THE "ASSAULT WEAPON" LAWS ARE BASED ON LOGIC.

We're not fighting logic, we're fighting liberal bullshit.

I say we keep this Zumbo topic alive until he puts a finely crafted english fowling piece to his temple (but not an assault rifle, please!). Teach the other Fudd assholes a lesson.



You are right. I'll freely admit this is all new to me, and I'm learning.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:50:52 PM EST
This is called divide and conquer ....i say



fred
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:53:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By FredZiffle:
This is called divide and conquer ....i say



fred



agreed

wearther its pro brady shills is the question.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:56:56 PM EST
www.opednews.com/articles/genera_martha_r_070225_enjoy_the_hillary_2fob.htm

Enjoy the Hillary/Obama show? You'll love the Zumbo/NRA show

by Martha Rosenberg



Tell A Friend

Just as the Hillary/Obama bowl winds down there is a new match-up between like minded players: The NRA/Zumbo show.

If you've never heard of Jim Zumbo, you certainly won't now.


The outdoors personality and big game hunter had his weekly TV show on the Outdoors network and position as hunting editor with Outdoor Life magazine abruptly terminated last week for criticizing the use of military-style assault rifles by hunters to shoot coyotes and prairie dogs and calling them "terrorists rifles."

Thousands of knee jerk assault rifle fans hunt and pecked their outrage to the TV station, magazine and respective sponsors and Zumbo was dispatched like the Canadian bear he posed with in 2004.

Having made an example of Zumbo, the NRA lost no time in telling Congress You're Next if it attempts "to create a new ban on semi-automatic firearms." As if Congress lives off Mossy Oak, Cabela's and Viagra ads like commerical media. Or 5,000 angry emails would sway an election.

But the fail-to-toe-the-party-line-and-you're-dead-meat threat rang out as unmistakable as the bully's threats on the schoolyard.

Nor was the NRA through.

It accused Billings, Montana Mayor Ron Tussing of being part of an "anti-gun coalition" for his membership in Mayor Michael Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns which seeks to prosecute illegal gun traffickers and dealers and improve firearm tracing laws.

Mayor Jared Furiman of Idaho Falls, Idaho, actually resigned from the 150-mayor group after similar pressure.

"It boggles my mind that anybody would want to handcuff law enforcement," says Tussing, a former law enforcement officer himself with memories of 28 rounds fired at his SWAT team by criminals during an operation in Nebraska.

Tussing tried to soften his position--saying he doubted Billings would conduct the New York City style "stings" against gun dealers that have outraged the gun crowd--but no cigar. Zumbo also apologized saying he'd had a rough day hunting coyotes in bad weather.

Yeah, Yeah. We heard you the first time.

Still, not everyone's genuflecting before the NRA.

"The NRA is off the deep end, and doesn't speak for me or a lot of other gun owners," wrote a retired firefighter on the Billings Gazette web site.

"They have used half-truths and sometimes outright lies to smear and intimidate public servants who don't share their narrow extremist agenda, which includes making 'cop-killer' bullets and machine guns legal to own."

"The NRA has turned into a weird cult and totally lost sight of reality," seconded a commentator named MK. They may define "the mayor as anti gun. I'd define them as anti cop."

There are Jim Zumbo supporters too.

"People who think Zumbo is worse than a traitor need to take some Prozac," wrote a commentator on dailypundit.com. "I think that he represents a strong majority of the shooting community."

Finally there's outdoors writer Pat Wray, who was himself Zumbo-ed and Tussing-ed by the NRA last year for appearing to side with its enemies.

"For decades the NRA has fostered a climate of fear and paranoia among gun owners," writes Wray in the Corvallis Gazette-Times in Oregon. (Notice he's still writing?)

"They have hammered home the message that everyone is out to take our guns...[and nowhere] has that message taken root as strongly as within the owners of the military style rifles, and it was they who came after Zumbo in their thousands."

The danger in the NRA's "friendly fire bowls" is not ruined careers but appeasing the NRA, no matter how outrageous its demands.

(Is "Leave my Rocket Propelled Grenade alone" different from "Leave my gun alone"? asks Frank Abderholden of the News Sun.)

Because everyone knows to appease a tiger who's chasing you and your friend you only need to run faster than your friend.

Martha Rosenberg is staff cartoonist for the Evanston Roundtable.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:56:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Jeesus, how clueless.

First they can't wrap their brain around the fact that the Second Amendment isn't about duck/deer season anymore than Zumbo could.

Second, the NRA had NOTHING to do with it. If this was a NRA directed stance I'd be so fucking thrilled I'd be skipping down the street with a fucking lollipop.

Third, they don't seem to understand that OUR enemies are THEIR enemies. Zumbo joined the enemy.

Very well said! Do they have to be next on the Brady Campaign's "hit list" before they get a clue?
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:57:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By red65:

I say we keep this Zumbo topic alive until he puts a finely crafted english fowling piece to his temple (but not an assault rifle, please!). Teach the other Fudd assholes a lesson.

Horseshit and way the fuck out of line
He said something stupid but the damage isn't anywhere near deserving of the man killing himself.
This stupidity has gone way too far, and we are starting to hurt ourselves more than he ever did.

You want something to fix what he did? go post the links for all these blogs in a thread over Ted Nugents board and ask Zumbo to start addressing these poeple himself, that would actually start doing some good and the guy might be able to redeam himself somewhat without simply being given back the gravy train he was on, he could earn it back.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 12:58:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By red65:

Originally Posted By Catsclaw:

Originally Posted By eswanson:
The funny thing is that, from what I saw, at least, the NRA had nothing to do with what happened to Zumbo. Maybe I missed something, but it looked like a internet discussion board driven jihad, not something that was orchestrated by the NRA. Heck, by the time they could figure out what to do about it, the damage was probably already done.



Exactly, but that fact sure doesn't stop anyone from trying to find somebody to blame. Jim did what he did, and pissed a lot of people off...and they'll be pissed for a long time. I just don't understand why so many of these type of threads keep popping up. Just a lot of useless negativity that keeps the shit stirred up, and blinds everyone to any positive action.


When a rattlesnake shakes its rattle and coils up, you blow its head off.

Some would call that "non contructive behavior" and an example of "poor teambuilding", but I think it's GREAT.

IN FACT I THINK IT'S FRIGGIN' WONDERFUL.

Do you honestly expect a gun writer to start mouthing this dizzy moronic brady bunch shit and keep his job?

Why would you want him to?



You and I don't agree on everything.

But this time I agree we did exactly what needed to be done.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:05:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By Catsclaw:

You are right. I'll freely admit this is all new to me, and I'm learning.


It's just your good nature coming getting in the way of being angry .

After you've listened to enough libtards call you a terrorist (while they let convicted felons out of jail), you'll start to understand why we "brainwashed NRA paranoids" are so busy attacking Zumbo.

NRA type gunowners are by and large the most law abiding and patriotic people you can find. The liberals hate our guts. What does that tell you?
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:05:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Jeesus, how clueless.

First they can't wrap their brain around the fact that the Second Amendment isn't about duck/deer season anymore than Zumbo could.

Second, the NRA had NOTHING to do with it. If this was a NRA directed stance I'd be so fucking thrilled I'd be skipping down the street with a fucking lollipop.

Third, they don't seem to understand that OUR enemies are THEIR enemies. Zumbo joined the enemy.





Seriously though...
I'd like to add that they can't manage to wrap their brain around the fact that they won't stop after appeasing them by throwing us military-style rifle owners to the wolves.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:06:27 PM EST
Zumbo deserved what he got but some of the idiots who claim to be on our side are attacking any hunter at every chance which is fucking stupid and looks to be intentional sabotage.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:11:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By red65:

Originally Posted By Catsclaw:

You are right. I'll freely admit this is all new to me, and I'm learning.


It's just your good nature coming getting in the way of being angry .

After you've listened to enough libtards call you a terrorist (while they let convicted felons out of jail), you'll start to understand why we "brainwashed NRA paranoids" are so busy attacking Zumbo.

NRA type gunowners are by and large the most law abiding and patriotic people you can find. The liberals hate our guts. What does that tell you?



I'm not a libtard, a Fudd, or a terrorist. I AM a card carrying member of the NRA, and totally, with all my heart, support and believe in our constitution and our God given rights!!
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:12:11 PM EST
The NRA offices were closed during the whole Zumboning operation.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:16:20 PM EST

What a bunch of clueless assholes.


That is the crux of MANY of the problems in our current society!!!

Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:16:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By TOL1488:
Zumbo deserved what he got but some of the idiots who claim to be on our side are attacking any hunter at every chance which is fucking stupid and looks to be intentional sabotage.


We do have to watch ourselves and hold those who do "the same" accountable.

My family is full of hunters, but my Dad has a few ARs in the safe. And the only reason my brother doesn't is he has to carry a M4 as part of his job. But he knows how I feel about mine, and he agrees.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:22:26 PM EST

What a bunch of clueless assholes.


That is the crux of MANY of the problems in our current society!!!

Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:23:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/27/2007 1:24:51 PM EST by skeeterh]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

We do have to watch ourselves and hold those who do "the same" accountable.

My family is full of hunters, but my Dad has a few ARs in the safe. And the only reason my brother doesn't is he has to carry a M4 as part of his job. But he knows how I feel about mine, and he agrees.

You're absolutely right but there comes a time to cut the attack back and focus on damage control.
Riding Zumbo till he kills himself will simply make him a martyr for all the fudds and gun grabbers out there, sicking him on these blogs may change some fudd minds and can give him a way to help repair the damage he did.
By all means, keep a watch for other turn coats and do the same to them but we're over doing it at this point with Zumbo, we're making ourselves exactly as the gun grabbers portray us, heartless, uncarring psychopaths who shouldn's be trusted with guns. It's going too far.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:25:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By TOL1488:

Originally Posted By FredZiffle:
This is called divide and conquer ....i say



fred



agreed

wearther its pro brady shills is the question.


it is

fred
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:27:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Second, the NRA had NOTHING to do with it. If this was a NRA directed stance I'd be so fucking thrilled I'd be skipping down the street with a fucking lollipop.



All I can say there is....


Woody

Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:30:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By red65:

When a rattlesnake shakes its rattle and coils up, you blow its head off.



[libtard mode on]
Oh, you insensitive bastard. Obviously there's a reason the snake is upset. He's just trying to vent a little. Sit down with him and talk him through his problems. When he sees that there's nothing to worry about, that life is full of rainbows and strawberries, and that you are really his big bipedal friend, he will go off calmly with a smile and a wave.
[/libtard mode]


Woody
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 1:58:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/27/2007 2:06:37 PM EST by SilentType]

Originally Posted By Nate7out:
www.opednews.com/articles/genera_martha_r_070225_enjoy_the_hillary_2fob.htm

Enjoy the Hillary/Obama show? You'll love the Zumbo/NRA show

by Martha Rosenberg



Tell A Friend

Just as the Hillary/Obama bowl winds down there is a new match-up between like minded players: The NRA/Zumbo show. The Hillary/Obama bowl sounds like her attention is fixed on liberals and trying to decide which one will bring us toward a communist state faster.

If you've never heard of Jim Zumbo, you certainly won't now.


The outdoors personality and big game hunter had his weekly TV show on the Outdoors network and position as hunting editor with Outdoor Life magazine abruptly terminated last week for criticizing the use of military-style assault rifles by hunters to shoot coyotes and prairie dogs and calling them "terrorists rifles."

Thousands of knee jerk assault rifle fans hunt and pecked their outrage to the TV station, magazine and respective sponsors and Zumbo was dispatched like the Canadian bear he posed with in 2004. Knee jerk seems to indicate that we took action without the facts or considering the consequences, which is false Zumbo made it clear where he stood and the consequences were showing what happens to those who lump in gun owners with terrorist.

Having made an example of Zumbo, the NRA lost no time in telling Congress You're Next if it attempts "to create a new ban on semi-automatic firearms." As if Congress lives off Mossy Oak, Cabela's and Viagra ads like commerical media. Or 5,000 angry emails would sway an election. There are a lot more than 5,000 members in the NRA sister. Maybe do your research a little and find that the firearms industry and those companies that support it employ millions of people in the districts where our reps come from.

But the fail-to-toe-the-party-line-and-you're-dead-meat threat rang out as unmistakable as the bully's threats on the schoolyard. Why would we want people who disagreed with the Second Amendment to have our support? You mean the liberals like her don't expect people to toe her party-line?

Nor was the NRA through. Not by a long shot sister.

It accused Billings, Montana Mayor Ron Tussing of being part of an "anti-gun coalition" for his membership in Mayor Michael Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns which seeks to prosecute illegal gun traffickers and dealers and improve firearm tracing laws.
It is an illegal witch hunt that sole intent to disrupt the sale of firearms to law abiding citizens there are already crimes on the books to prevent illegal gun sales or they wouldn't be "illegal" now would they?

Mayor Jared Furiman of Idaho Falls, Idaho, actually resigned from the 150-mayor group after similar pressure.

"It boggles my mind that anybody would want to handcuff law enforcement," says Tussing, a former law enforcement officer himself with memories of 28 rounds fired at his SWAT team by criminals during an operation in Nebraska. Ohhh, yes only SWAT teams dressed in gestapo military gear should be allowed to have firearms otherwise how can they serve their "no knock" warrants based on faulty addresses and criminal informants? Oh yeah, and guns only are purchased and owned by criminals.

Tussing tried to soften his position--saying he doubted Billings would conduct the New York City style "stings" against gun dealers that have outraged the gun crowd--but no cigar. Zumbo also apologized saying he'd had a rough day hunting coyotes in bad weather. Ohhh, so we're suppose to count on this Tussing's good graces in picking what he will or wont do depending his mood that day? He didn't appologize because he recognized black rifles as the intended firearms of the Second Amendment he appologized, because he thinks they may have some use in hunting afterall...the man just doesn't get it.

Yeah, Yeah. We heard you the first time. Yup, unlike you and your liberal friends we recognize right and wrong. Actions speak louder than words and if Zumbo makes a true act of contrition than we'll forgive him.

Still, not everyone's genuflecting before the NRA.

"The NRA is off the deep end, and doesn't speak for me or a lot of other gun owners," wrote a retired firefighter on the Billings Gazette web site. Nope, I'm guessing the Brady Group speaks for this individual.

"They have used half-truths and sometimes outright lies to smear and intimidate public servants who don't share their narrow extremist agenda, which includes making 'cop-killer' bullets and machine guns legal to own." That statement itself is a smear and outright lie not backed up by anything credible.

"The NRA has turned into a weird cult and totally lost sight of reality," seconded a commentator named MK. They may define "the mayor as anti gun. I'd define them as anti cop." You mean the NRA has toughen its resolve in fighting for the Second Amendment, which is where its sight is firmly fixed on.

There are Jim Zumbo supporters too. Of course there are at least 25% of the American population are total idiots.

"People who think Zumbo is worse than a traitor need to take some Prozac," wrote a commentator on dailypundit.com. "I think that he represents a strong majority of the shooting community." I know a lot of fudds that wont go so far as to say that people who own black rifles are terrorist or compare them to terrorist. This guy is way out in left field and hoping that he's the norm doesn't make it so.

Finally there's outdoors writer Pat Wray, who was himself Zumbo-ed and Tussing-ed by the NRA last year for appearing to side with its enemies. Again, would the Brady group keep someone around that came out in support for the Second Amendment? Why should the NRA be expected to tolerate anyone who is not in support of the Second Amendment?

"For decades the NRA has fostered a climate of fear and paranoia among gun owners," writes Wray in the Corvallis Gazette-Times in Oregon. (Notice he's still writing?) Maybe there is a climate of fear because every time we turn around our Constitution is under CONSTANT attack from liberals like yourself. Its not paranoia, its call keeping on gaurd.

"They have hammered home the message that everyone is out to take our guns...[and nowhere] has that message taken root as strongly as within the owners of the military style rifles, and it was they who came after Zumbo in their thousands." Ummm, they are constantly out to take our firearms did you read HR. 1022, the previous 1994 AWB, the import bans, the 1986 FOPA ban on machineguns, the 1968 GCA, and the 1934 NFA...I could on and on. The reason so many people have listened to the NRA's message is because the TRUTH RINGS LOUD AND CLEAR.

The danger in the NRA's "friendly fire bowls" is not ruined careers but appeasing the NRA, no matter how outrageous its demands. Yeah, I guess wanting to preserve our Constitutional Rights is really outrageous.

(Is "Leave my Rocket Propelled Grenade alone" different from "Leave my gun alone"? asks Frank Abderholden of the News Sun.) Yes, in the same fashion that allowing police to stop someone out in public suspected of criminal activity is different from allowing police to search homes at random without a warrant.

Because everyone knows to appease a tiger who's chasing you and your friend you only need to run faster than your friend. Funny the fact that a coward liberal would make that statement is very telling. I guess they want to toss gun owners and the Constitution to the lions.

Martha Rosenberg is staff cartoonist for the Evanston Roundtable.
Rosenberg...nice yet another Jew that doesn't get it. How many times do you have to have your people come close to being exterminated right off the planet before you get it? This woman needs to step outside of New York for awhile and live among the middle class to regain perspective on how the real world works outside of her gaurded apartment building and office space.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 2:07:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By red65:

Originally Posted By Catsclaw:
I visit several hunting forums, and this is the first I've heard of this slant. In fact...believe it or not, I can link you to a thread where those Fudd hunters are just as mad at Jim as most everybody is here.


How about this little gem:

"Power corrupts and the NRA's power has made it a sick and twisted organization. The only silver lining in this story, if there is one, is that evil eventually always overreaches itself, eats its own young, and thereby destroys itself from the inside out and, if these socalled hunters and shooters turning on Jim Zumbo isn't a horrific example of this process in action, then I can't imagine what would be. I can only hope that Zumbo survives this treachery, stronger and more influential than before, and remembers that revenge is dish best served cold. The NRA needs to be beaten back to where it now belongs, in the dark and sleezy shadows along with its sister institution, the KKK."

That was written in response to an article in western outdoors travel magazine.

Do a search, the web is full of this shit.


You think that was a gun owner? "Western Outdoor Travellers" have MORE than their share of Granola Hippies. CA is in the WEST. I've met more than a few of these morons.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 2:16:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SilentType:
Originally Posted By Nate7out:
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http://www.opednews.com/author/author1353.html

Check out many of her articles. She is dead set against the 2nd amendment and the NRA and by looking at the rest of the site, it appears they are run by a bunch of flaming liberals. hinking.gif
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 2:31:25 PM EST
Wonder why a Fudd (hunter) with a AR supports this site and alot of ya'll screaming Fudd did it, don't. Ya'll crack me up.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 2:49:48 PM EST
How many times does it have to be explained? if you own an AR, or any black rifle, even if you don't but recognise that the second ammendment protects others right s to own them, then you aren't a fudd.

Fudds are the guys at the range who give dirty looks or make comments like"what do you need one of those for" it's pretty simple.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 2:50:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By centralvahunter:
Wonder why a Fudd (hunter) with a AR supports this site and alot of ya'll screaming Fudd did it, don't. Ya'll crack me up.


If you have an AR, you aren't a Fudd.


Link Posted: 2/27/2007 2:54:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By centralvahunter:
Wonder why a Fudd (hunter) with a AR supports this site and alot of ya'll screaming Fudd did it, don't. Ya'll crack me up.


My Dad and brother are serious hunters.

I don't consider them Fudds.

Course I don't consider most hunters Fudds.

To me a "Fudd" is that segment of the population who only thinks guns are for hunting and is willing to ban those who don't meet some kind of sporting application.

They are no different from the Brady Bunch.
Link Posted: 2/27/2007 3:42:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By red65:

Originally Posted By Catsclaw:

Originally Posted By eswanson:
The funny thing is that, from what I saw, at least, the NRA had nothing to do with what happened to Zumbo. Maybe I missed something, but it looked like a internet discussion board driven jihad, not something that was orchestrated by the NRA. Heck, by the time they could figure out what to do about it, the damage was probably already done.



Exactly, but that fact sure doesn't stop anyone from trying to find somebody to blame. Jim did what he did, and pissed a lot of people off...and they'll be pissed for a long time. I just don't understand why so many of these type of threads keep popping up. Just a lot of useless negativity that keeps the shit stirred up, and blinds everyone to any positive action.


When a rattlesnake shakes its rattle and coils up, you blow its head off.

Some would call that "non contructive behavior" and an example of "poor teambuilding", but I think it's GREAT.

IN FACT I THINK IT'S FRIGGIN' WONDERFUL.

Do you honestly expect a gun writer to start mouthing this dizzy moronic brady bunch shit and keep his job?

Why would you want him to?



You and I don't agree on everything.

But this time I agree we did exactly what needed to be done.



The need to grind Zumbo under our collective boot trumps all other petty concerns.

Link Posted: 2/27/2007 4:06:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/27/2007 4:12:12 PM EST by red65]

Originally Posted By skeeterh:

Originally Posted By red65:

I say we keep this Zumbo topic alive until he puts a finely crafted english fowling piece to his temple (but not an assault rifle, please!). Teach the other Fudd assholes a lesson.

Horseshit and way the fuck out of line
He said something stupid but the damage isn't anywhere near deserving of the man killing himself.
This stupidity has gone way too far, and we are starting to hurt ourselves more than he ever did.

You want something to fix what he did? go post the links for all these blogs in a thread over Ted Nugents board and ask Zumbo to start addressing these poeple himself, that would actually start doing some good and the guy might be able to redeam himself somewhat without simply being given back the gravy train he was on, he could earn it back.



My friend,

I was joking, the idea being that he would not stoop so low as to use an evil AR to blow his head off.

He has no reason to kill himself. He will get his ass kicked around for a while and then the rank and file gun fans will forgive and forget. Then he'll go back to his dream job.

I'll tell you what's not a joke: what he said about ARs.

I WAS IN NJ WHEN THE ORDER CAME IN TO TURN IN ASSAULT RIFLES OR FACE JAIL TIME.

NJ has tens of thousands of gun owners. That fact does not matter. They had no power against a huge population of liberal asshole soccer moms.

THE RANDOM MORON VOTE OF 20 SOCCER MOMS COUNTS MORE THAN 19 AR OWNERS.

It really really really matter what the average moron in the street thinks.
We had pictures in the paper of guys buring their guns in PVC pipe. And there was discussion among the government officials of how to go about arresting them.

That is no joke.

You guys want to be best buddies and forgive Zumbo and his asshole Fudd followers, be my guest. I say fuck em. ZUMBO STABBED US RIGHT IN THE HEART.


Make sure you have the PVC pipe all set.

Ask your buddies in CA what they think of Zumbo.


PS -

You got 50 million gun owners and 4 million NRA members in the USA.

Looks to me like we got a big fat shitpile of Fudds out there.


PPS-

I had to get in touch with a lawyer in NJ to find out if I could own a LBR M-14 clone. The lawyer could not figure it own and the state police could not figure it out.

That's the Brave New Zumbo future for ya.


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