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Posted: 9/30/2014 7:28:44 AM EST


The 24,000-ton helicopter carrier is the first of two planned ships. Izumo will enter the JMSDF force next year. DDH-184 will enter the fleet in 2017, according to the Naval Institute’s Combat Fleet’s of the World.
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Link Posted: 9/30/2014 7:46:02 AM EST
Interesting.

Almost dozed off listening to the sound of the waves.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:15:25 PM EST
now there's something we haven't seen on the surface in almost seventy years.

about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:17:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tetoncounty:
now there's something we haven't seen on the surface in almost seventy years.

about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.
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Japan pays about $2B annually to fund US bases in that country.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:19:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tetoncounty:
now there's something we haven't seen on the surface in almost seventy years.

about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.
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Hate to break it to you, but it was US that put the restriction on them.

That said, enough time has passed.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:21:05 PM EST
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Hate to break it to you, but it was US that put the restriction on them.

That said, enough time has passed.
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Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Originally Posted By tetoncounty:
now there's something we haven't seen on the surface in almost seventy years.

about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.



Hate to break it to you, but it was US that put the restriction on them.

That said, enough time has passed.


Agreed. We should offer them good deals on gear and keep them tight
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Originally Posted By tetoncounty:

about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.




lol
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:22:51 PM EST
Well this may be a technicality, but I believe there actually needs to be an aircraft for it to carry if it's to qualify as an aircraft carrier. And if we're not counting helos, it's not a carrier yet.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:24:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:


Agreed. We should offer them good deals on gear and keep them tight
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Originally Posted By tetoncounty:
now there's something we haven't seen on the surface in almost seventy years.

about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.



Hate to break it to you, but it was US that put the restriction on them.

That said, enough time has passed.


Agreed. We should offer them good deals on gear and keep them tight


They already use some of our gear (F15s, Aegis, etc.) with some bleeding edge domestically produced electronic equipment upgrades.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:25:00 PM EST
Its not named Hiryu, Soryu, Kaga, Akagi, Shokaku, or Zuikaku....fail.....

Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:26:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tetoncounty:
now there's something we haven't seen on the surface in almost seventy years.

about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.
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Is it really freeloading, when we are the ones who told them that they couldn't have a standing military?
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:27:06 PM EST
Just imagine what sort of weird anime girl mascot it will have.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:27:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TrojanMan:


lol
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Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By tetoncounty:

about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.




lol


Love it when they equate the European allies with the Asian ones.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:29:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By crurifragium:


They already use some of our gear (F15s, Aegis, etc.) with some bleeding edge domestically produced electronic equipment upgrades.
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Originally Posted By tetoncounty:
now there's something we haven't seen on the surface in almost seventy years.

about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.



Hate to break it to you, but it was US that put the restriction on them.

That said, enough time has passed.


Agreed. We should offer them good deals on gear and keep them tight


They already use some of our gear (F15s, Aegis, etc.) with some bleeding edge domestically produced electronic equipment upgrades.


Yep. I still think we should have sold them Raptors (with some stipulations) but that may because I'm having Ramen with friends

Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:29:55 PM EST
Not sure we should celebrate that Japan is increasing its naval capabilities.

Should tensions build between China and Japan culminating in an armed confrontation of some sort the USA could be plunged into WWIII or at best suffer incredible disruption in trade resulting in devastating economic impact.

We all "hope" that cooler rational minds will always prevail in other nations, but history has proven that is not always the case.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:30:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:


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They want to, but Lockmart customer service keeps hanging up on them when they want to buy 100 Laptols.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:31:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TrojanMan:


lol
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By tetoncounty:

about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.




lol


lol I love GD soooo much!



Originally Posted By Redarts:
Just imagine what sort of weird anime girl mascot it will have.


It's their Navy, so there is a wide variety of tentacle porn that can be plastered on that beast!
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:38:11 PM EST
That thing is bigger than an Invincible class carrier.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:43:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By tetoncounty:
now there's something we haven't seen on the surface in almost seventy years.
about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.
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Freeloaders?
We have their biggest naval and Air Force bases at our disposal.
We conduct forward deployed operations from Japan.
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Originally Posted By SilentType:
Not sure we should celebrate that Japan is increasing its naval capabilities.

Should tensions build between China and Japan culminating in an armed confrontation of some sort the USA could be plunged into WWIII or at best suffer incredible disruption in trade resulting in devastating economic impact.

We all "hope" that cooler rational minds will always prevail in other nations, but history has proven that is not always the case.
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I would argue that it would be more likely for something to happen if Japan continues to appear to be a vulnerable target, or incapable of protecting their territory.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:48:21 PM EST
Needs a sign on it that says "Nanking or Bust"
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:50:35 PM EST
It was pretty smart of them to build a ship that can only take helicopters before they accept VTOL aircraft... this way it looks innocent and only "helicopters"
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:51:05 PM EST
hey maybe we have extra scrap metal to give them
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:51:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Blackhawk101:
Needs a sign on it that says "Nanking or Bust"
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lol
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:55:05 PM EST
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I would argue that it would be more likely for something to happen if Japan continues to appear to be a vulnerable target, or incapable of protecting their territory.
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Originally Posted By whollyshite:
Originally Posted By SilentType:
Not sure we should celebrate that Japan is increasing its naval capabilities.

Should tensions build between China and Japan culminating in an armed confrontation of some sort the USA could be plunged into WWIII or at best suffer incredible disruption in trade resulting in devastating economic impact.

We all "hope" that cooler rational minds will always prevail in other nations, but history has proven that is not always the case.


I would argue that it would be more likely for something to happen if Japan continues to appear to be a vulnerable target, or incapable of protecting their territory.


This will prompt further military build-up by the Chinese and increased naval activity from them. Promise you that.

With their ships and Japanese ships in higher number coexisting in contested waters it's a powder keg. Misinterpretation by either party or "accident" could spark a regional and perhaps even global conflict.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:55:12 PM EST
Big enough for these I guess.

Link Posted: 9/30/2014 12:58:56 PM EST
This is very bad for the endangered tigers and rhinoceroses of the world. The Chinese leaders are going to want extra doses of boner pills when they find out about this.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 1:00:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By H46Driver:


Japan pays about $2B annually to fund US bases in that country.
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Originally Posted By H46Driver:
Originally Posted By tetoncounty:
now there's something we haven't seen on the surface in almost seventy years.

about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.


Japan pays about $2B annually to fund US bases in that country.


as opposed to germany that we paid to stay in their country.

Thats one goofy looking destroyer.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 1:00:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:


Agreed. We should offer them good deals on gear and keep them tight
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Originally Posted By tetoncounty:
now there's something we haven't seen on the surface in almost seventy years.

about time, I say. Japanese should pay for their own defence instead of freeloading off the American taxpayer.



Hate to break it to you, but it was US that put the restriction on them.

That said, enough time has passed.


Agreed. We should offer them good deals on gear and keep them tight


Second that
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 1:09:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SilentType:
Not sure we should celebrate that Japan is increasing its naval capabilities.

Should tensions build between China and Japan culminating in an armed confrontation of some sort the USA could be plunged into WWIII or at best suffer incredible disruption in trade resulting in devastating economic impact.

We all "hope" that cooler rational minds will always prevail in other nations, but history has proven that is not always the case.
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You've got that backwards.

War happens when strong forces see opportunity in attacking weak ones.

Peace is secured by strength.

This can be shown throughout history.
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Originally Posted By Houstons_Problem:

War happens when strong forces see opportunity in attacking weak ones.
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Or when a fading power feels challenged by an upstart.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 1:11:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SilentType:


This will prompt further military build-up by the Chinese and increased naval activity from them. Promise you that.

With their ships and Japanese ships in higher number coexisting in contested waters it's a powder keg. Misinterpretation by either party or "accident" could spark a regional and perhaps even global conflict.
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Originally Posted By whollyshite:
Originally Posted By SilentType:
Not sure we should celebrate that Japan is increasing its naval capabilities.

Should tensions build between China and Japan culminating in an armed confrontation of some sort the USA could be plunged into WWIII or at best suffer incredible disruption in trade resulting in devastating economic impact.

We all "hope" that cooler rational minds will always prevail in other nations, but history has proven that is not always the case.


I would argue that it would be more likely for something to happen if Japan continues to appear to be a vulnerable target, or incapable of protecting their territory.


This will prompt further military build-up by the Chinese and increased naval activity from them. Promise you that.

With their ships and Japanese ships in higher number coexisting in contested waters it's a powder keg. Misinterpretation by either party or "accident" could spark a regional and perhaps even global conflict.
China turned aggresive long ago. Japan can do nothing about that. But it can make them adjust their attitude.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 1:12:33 PM EST
That's one sharp looking ship; I bet it costs almost as much as 3 or 4 F 35s.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 1:15:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:


Helos are sort of "craft" that move around in the "air"



But, I do agree. Still, if they buy a VTOL F-35 variant, their helicopter carriers can probably become aircraft carriers with little modification.

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Originally Posted By retgarr:
Well this may be a technicality, but I believe there actually needs to be an aircraft for it to carry if it's to qualify as an aircraft carrier. And if we're not counting helos, it's not a carrier yet.


Helos are sort of "craft" that move around in the "air"



But, I do agree. Still, if they buy a VTOL F-35 variant, their helicopter carriers can probably become aircraft carriers with little modification.



They would need a ski-jump ramp to carry useful loads, IIRC. I think they were designed with the possibility of fitting them out that way in the future, but I'm not certain of that.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 1:18:49 PM EST
Does is turn into...........


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Originally Posted By SilentType:


This will prompt further military build-up by the Chinese and increased naval activity from them. Promise you that.

With their ships and Japanese ships in higher number coexisting in contested waters it's a powder keg. Misinterpretation by either party or "accident" could spark a regional and perhaps even global conflict.
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Originally Posted By SilentType:
Originally Posted By whollyshite:
Originally Posted By SilentType:
Not sure we should celebrate that Japan is increasing its naval capabilities.

Should tensions build between China and Japan culminating in an armed confrontation of some sort the USA could be plunged into WWIII or at best suffer incredible disruption in trade resulting in devastating economic impact.

We all "hope" that cooler rational minds will always prevail in other nations, but history has proven that is not always the case.


I would argue that it would be more likely for something to happen if Japan continues to appear to be a vulnerable target, or incapable of protecting their territory.


This will prompt further military build-up by the Chinese and increased naval activity from them. Promise you that.

With their ships and Japanese ships in higher number coexisting in contested waters it's a powder keg. Misinterpretation by either party or "accident" could spark a regional and perhaps even global conflict.
China will build up anyways.. they want to control that part of the world
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 1:27:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By H46Driver:


Or when a fading power feels challenged by an upstart.
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Originally Posted By Houstons_Problem:

War happens when strong forces see opportunity in attacking weak ones.


Or when a fading power feels challenged by an upstart.


Or when one side sees their chance of getting better odds of winning fading.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 1:47:50 PM EST
From the limited reading I have done on this ship, it seems that its current claimed mission is ASW. Does Japan currently have anything or are they developing anything that can turn her into a more versatile asset? Or is she going to just be packed with SH-60s and anti-sub missiles?
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 1:48:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
Big enough for these I guess.

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As large as any of the 21 Japanese carriers during WWII. Yamamoto would probably have given his left nut to have Izumo in his fleet.
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lol
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Originally Posted By Blackhawk101:
Needs a sign on it that says "Nanking or Bust"


lol

... as bad as a Holocaust joke
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 1:55:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Blackhawk101:
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Like the world needs another Rape of Nanking.
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... as bad as a Holocaust joke
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Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas:
Originally Posted By Blackhawk101:
Needs a sign on it that says "Nanking or Bust"


lol

... as bad as a Holocaust joke


A chinaman, a japanese, a jew and a nazi walk into a bar.

bartender says, "what is this? Some kind of joke?"
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Originally Posted By MarkNH:

Shinano - 69k tons full load, 266m x 36m
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Shinano would have been 72k tons if it had any watertight doors.
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Originally Posted By SilentType:
Not sure we should celebrate that Japan is increasing its naval capabilities.

Should tensions build between China and Japan culminating in an armed confrontation of some sort the USA could be plunged into WWIII or at best suffer incredible disruption in trade resulting in devastating economic impact.

We all "hope" that cooler rational minds will always prevail in other nations, but history has proven that is not always the case.
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Ooh man, good point. Sure wouldn't want to provoke anybody. Better to just sit tight on their island and hope no one notices.

They probably better just go ahead and cede the Spratleys to China so they're even less provoked.
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 2:18:14 PM EST

How could we build aircraft carrier with such small penis?
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 2:19:08 PM EST
Lol

I can't wait until Japan has a not really a nuclear cruise missile
Link Posted: 9/30/2014 2:20:12 PM EST
Does it turn into a gobot?
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