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Posted: 7/20/2010 3:24:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:25:52 PM EST
Nice!
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:26:19 PM EST
Should something like that even be posted? Hello, OPSEC?
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:27:59 PM EST
Amazing stuff.
Is it actually useful in combat?
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:33:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Should something like that even be posted? Hello, OPSEC?

Its infrared. All it is showing is that jet exhaust, suprisingly enough, is very hot, and dissipates in the air behind the plane...
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:35:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Should something like that even be posted? Hello, OPSEC?

its not like anyone who owns a thermal camera has been banned from filming the plane ya know..
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:44:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2010 3:54:01 PM EST by resq2106]


Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:45:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By resq2106:
http://www.ar15.com/lib/editor/img/trans.gif

Thanks for the fucking insight.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:47:18 PM EST

Pretty slick.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:47:25 PM EST
So just how stealthy can a fighter really be, if that's how wildly visible they appear on IR?
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:47:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ridge_Runner_5:

Originally Posted By resq2106:
http://www.ar15.com/lib/editor/img/trans.gif

Thanks for the fucking insight.

I don't know why the embed isn't working.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:49:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Should something like that even be posted? Hello, OPSEC?




Maybe I'm missing something. It's just airshow footage, right? A little bit of it just happens to be infrared footage, something anyone can do if they want to.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:52:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2010 3:53:20 PM EST by resq2106]

Fuck it, I give up.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 3:53:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By WesJanson:
So just how stealthy can a fighter really be, if that's how wildly visible they appear on IR?


You gotta get relatively close for that to come into play.

You won't get that close to an F-22.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:03:28 PM EST
IR seeker on a....nevermind.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:08:18 PM EST
How will it perform against current russian/chinese missiles?

I understand they'll have to be pretty close up to go all-aspect IR (it seems that only the rear aspect is hot enough for a seeker) however the russians are working on IR+Radar tracking.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:11:22 PM EST
Jeezus, it is airshow footage. Normal everyday raptor fighting/flying does not involve close in airshow demos.......
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:12:41 PM EST
Needed my glow sticks listening to that music...
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:13:17 PM EST
Tagged for the laughs.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:13:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2010 4:14:06 PM EST by sledhead907]
In

Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:14:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2010 4:15:07 PM EST by 2A373]

Originally Posted By resq2106:

Fuck it, I give up.




Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:17:03 PM EST
Just thought that it's heat signature might either help foreign countries steal designs or develop missiles that could better hone in on the heat...
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:17:42 PM EST
So you say that IR footage is OK... what about Kodachrome? Hi-8?
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:35:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2010 4:35:23 PM EST by XD_Fan]
It was interesting seeing what parts were hot during non-burner flight. It turns into quite the little glowing fireball when the burners are on!
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:48:47 PM EST
You guys are right! Now the bad guys will know which parts of the jet are the hot bits!


OH NOES!
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:55:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Just thought that it's heat signature might either help foreign countries steal designs or develop missiles that could better hone in on the heat...


I understand that industrial espionage can happen anywhere, and small pieces add up to large pieces.




But it's a youtube video. Plus, I bet is doesn't look that much different compared to a F4 under thermal.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 5:01:40 PM EST
Pretty cool video. Any thermal radiation experts in here?
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 5:08:53 PM EST
Need to compare that to a FLIR video of an F-15 to really see the difference.


Link Posted: 7/20/2010 5:26:45 PM EST
Damn for all that money we spend on those things it should be invisible.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 5:34:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2010 5:35:29 PM EST by sledhead907]
Originally Posted By realwar:
Damn for all that money we spend on those things it should be invisible.


You have any idea the amount of heat a turbine puts out?

Rest assured, your getting your money worth.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 5:37:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By mcantu:
sorry i have no embed skills...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58N6Plr17GU&feature=player_embedded


Next thing you know, they'll be telling us you can see it with the naked eye!
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 5:45:56 PM EST
Some random comments:

1. who knows if this is genuine footage? disinformation is prevalent

2. who knows if the aircraft is representative? disinformation is prevalent

3. IR signatures are relative. Relative to a. what a missile can detect b. what is visible to augmented observers and c. what the enemy aircraft presents. Where in the tier of visibility this fits is an important question.

Cool footage either way. Burn a ton of fuel in 400 seconds, and something is going to get warm...(random guesses on the ton and 400 seconds thing but you get my drift)

Link Posted: 7/20/2010 5:52:26 PM EST



Cool footage of an F22 through an IR CAMERA set to "white hot".

No radar involved in this video.


Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:04:26 PM EST
The air data probes and ECS steam vent were showing up as bright white; pretty neat.

At that distance, Helen Keller could find the aircraft. Nonetheless, it's pretty cool footage.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:15:15 PM EST
Too bad you can't change the pallet, level, or span in the video. It would look better in iron too.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:17:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Just thought that it's heat signature might either help foreign countries steal designs or develop missiles that could better hone in on the heat...

They already have that data.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:26:09 PM EST
Where is Primosky? I want to hear about the superiority of Russia's aircraft.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:39:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By WesJanson:
So just how stealthy can a fighter really be, if that's how wildly visible they appear on IR?


The idea is to come in hard and fast, hit them before they know you are there. You can't use a heat seeking missile if you don't know where the airplane is to get a lock in the first place. Even if they could reduce the IR signature to negligeable levels, there are missiles out there that use the plane blocking UV light against the sky to track and lock.
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