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Posted: 1/10/2005 12:36:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 12:36:38 PM EDT by sherm8404]
Cav Arms has left the building!



To our valued customers, friends, and colleagues,

Due to recent policy decisions by AR15.com site staff and moderators, we will no longer be actively participating on the forums.

Those of you who have placed orders for SEBRs, they will be filled as quickly as possible.

If you would like to place an order or have questions regarding the status of your order please call us at 480-833-9685.

The Cavalry Arms Staff members will no longer be posting on AR15.com in an official capacity. For technical questions and support please call or e-mail us.

If you have any questions regarding this decision feel free to e-mail us at scout@cavalryarms.com

Head to the Arizona Hometown Forum for the story!!! Just looked for the locked threads.


www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=8&f=13
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:39:00 PM EDT
Bye Bye.

They never really supported my problem with their AR anyway. Granted I didn't pitch a hissy fit.

Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:40:00 PM EDT
I have never owned a CavArms AR, but I've heard nothing but good things about them. Hate to see them leave like this.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:46:08 PM EDT
WTF Mate?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:46:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zack3g:
I have never owned a CavArms AR, but I've heard nothing but good things about them. Hate to see them leave like this.



+1 its a damn dirty shame of whats going on.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:47:43 PM EDT
Is it okay to talk about using Mag Lites for, um, sexual functions?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:49:14 PM EDT
I hope flashing red lights and blaring klaxons are going off at ARFCOM headquarters right about now.....
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:50:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 12:55:09 PM EDT by repub18]
pathetic
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:53:11 PM EDT
Yep it's true. Aimless and Beekeeper shit in their messkit. Coulda handled things quietly IF there was any basis for their hissy fit, but instead they decided to show Garyowen who was the "BOSS". Piss poor skills on their part IMHO. Now thw Avila's will have to clean up this mess. Seems like we have to have one of these situations every year or 2. anitussa, donr, arock etc.... I think there needs to be more checks and ballances in the banning process.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:53:18 PM EDT

Due to recent policy decisions by AR15.com site staff and moderators


Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:55:00 PM EDT
The SHTF AR15.com meltdown has been in the making for a long time.

When so many valued members are tossed on a whim and the site is run rampant via absentee management through a bunch of volunteer proxy managers, it's destined to go bye bye.

It's been a good run, but unless a real management structure for the site is created and true business leadership is in place, it's eventually going to go the same way as any other hobby site whenever the hobbyist is gone on to other things.

I said this in the Mod forum 2 years ago.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:55:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
Is it okay to talk about using Mag Lites for, um, sexual functions?




Sure, just don't offend, supress, repress, opress anyone at all. Ever. And don't use anywords that may be construed, misconstrued, misunderstood, as non-PC.


But feel free to bash, belittle, denegrate, insult, lessen, disenfrachise, abuse, smear, malaign, offend LEOs left and right. That's perfectlty fine.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:55:39 PM EDT
Oh yeah... IBTL...
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:56:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BenDover:
The SHTF AR15.com meltdown has been in the making for a long time.

When so many valued members are tossed on a whim and the site is run rampant via absentee management through a bunch of volunteer proxy managers, it's destined to go bye bye.

It's been a good run, but unless a real management structure for the site is created and true business leadership is in place, it's eventually going to go the same way as any other hobby site whenever the hobbyist is gone on to other things.

I said this in the Mod forum 2 years ago.




I see it worked out well for you and the site.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:57:24 PM EDT
Jesus. Another group rifle purchase going to shit again??
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:58:13 PM EDT
Well I be damned
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:58:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:59:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
Cav is the most respected company on this site, this is sad.



+1
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:59:58 PM EDT
Damn, that stinks. Shawn and SinistralRifleman were very valuable contributors to this site. I hope this gets sorted out.

Seems like a lot of good members are leaving (or getting banned) and we get a slew of new trolls every week that get to stick around.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:01:21 PM EDT



Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:02:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sherm8404:

Originally Posted By BenDover:
The SHTF AR15.com meltdown has been in the making for a long time.

When so many valued members are tossed on a whim and the site is run rampant via absentee management through a bunch of volunteer proxy managers, it's destined to go bye bye.

It's been a good run, but unless a real management structure for the site is created and true business leadership is in place, it's eventually going to go the same way as any other hobby site whenever the hobbyist is gone on to other things.

I said this in the Mod forum 2 years ago.




I see it worked out well for you and the site.



Nobody listened.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:03:22 PM EDT
This is all Bush's fault.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:04:50 PM EDT
I just read the threads that were referenced and I did not see any reason for them to be locked or for GarryOwen to be banned. Shit, they were just talking about what MagLight does the most damage if you needed to use it in self defense. That is a valid topic! Hell, here in Illinois that is the only way I could keep an object on my person and defend myself. This is fucking rediculous!

I guess I put the money that I was going to use for a team membership back in my wallet now.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:07:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:09:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:10:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TowlieMatrix:
I just read the threads that were referenced and I did not see any reason for them to be locked or for GarryOwen to be banned. Shit, they were just talking about what MagLight does the most damage if you needed to use it in self defense. That is a valid topic! Hell, here in Illinois that is the only way I could keep an object on my person and defend myself. This is fucking rediculous!

I guess I put the money that I was going to use for a team membership back in my wallet now.



I think there was a bit more to it than tha. There was a phrase "Tonk." that evidently is a racial slur? I've never heard it before, but evidently some people used it in relating hitting people of spanish origin with a mag lite and then the threads disappeared, and warnings from TBK1 were issued per his side of the story.

I dunno.

It just sucks ass.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:10:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 1:13:51 PM EDT by Sturmwehr]
A Salute to CavArms is in order:






Shawn (GarryOwen) and Russell (SinistralRifleMan), respectively. They have been very active community members on these boards, and I hope they will stay here; even if it is in an "unofficial" setting.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:11:06 PM EDT
Damn, just read the thread.

Was GarryOwen really banned?

If so, shame on you AR-15.com and the Mods/Staff involved.

After ALL that CavArms has done for this damn website? You can't be serious.

What about all the rifles/parts they have donated to the site and it's members? What about all the advertising money? What about all the shared wisdom, expertise and laughs over the years???

Wow. So many trolls are allowed to run free on this site but it seems like only valuable members ever get the boot.

I guess I don't feel the need to continue to send my money to support this site anymore...
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:12:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TowlieMatrix:
I just read the threads that were referenced and I did not see any reason for them to be locked or for GarryOwen to be banned. Shit, they were just talking about what MagLight does the most damage if you needed to use it in self defense. That is a valid topic! Hell, here in Illinois that is the only way I could keep an object on my person and defend myself. This is fucking rediculous!

I guess I put the money that I was going to use for a team membership back in my wallet now.




?!?!?!

GARRY (SHAWN) WAS BANNED?! WTF!? LINK!
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:12:40 PM EDT
Sorry to see them go over such a minor thing. The rules are the rules though. If you can't play the game don't come to the park.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:12:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HKocher:

Seems like a lot of good members are leaving (or getting banned) and we get a slew of new trolls every week that get to stick around.



Glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this downward trend...

Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:13:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HKocher:
Damn, just read the thread.

Was GarryOwen really banned?

If so, shame on you AR-15.com and the Mods/Staff involved.

After ALL that CavArms has done for this damn website? You can't be serious.



Seriously.

If GarryOwen was banned, I'm not contributing another damn dime to this website.

Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:14:43 PM EDT
Pathetic.

Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:14:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BGdave:
Sorry to see them go over such a minor thing. The rules are the rules though. If you can't play the game don't come to the park.



Some of the rules are stupid.

October 2004


Charlie
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:15:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TowlieMatrix:
I just read the threads that were referenced and I did not see any reason for them to be locked or for GarryOwen to be banned. Shit, they were just talking about what MagLight does the most damage if you needed to use it in self defense. That is a valid topic! Hell, here in Illinois that is the only way I could keep an object on my person and defend myself. This is fucking rediculous!

I guess I put the money that I was going to use for a team membership back in my wallet now.



I don't say much here but I think TM has it right. I get most of my defensive info here and I think it was a valid discussion. What if my AR or XD jamed ? What light would I like to have! Besides that most of the time I can only carry a light(job) and work in downtown Detroit and surronding areas. Sometimes at 2 and 3 am.
Kind of important?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:15:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:

Originally Posted By HKocher:
Damn, just read the thread.

Was GarryOwen really banned?

If so, shame on you AR-15.com and the Mods/Staff involved.

After ALL that CavArms has done for this damn website? You can't be serious.



Seriously.

If GarryOwen was banned, I'm not contributing another damn dime to this website.




I agree, I deeply regret having sent in my $100.00 renewal.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:18:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AILapua:

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:

Originally Posted By HKocher:
Damn, just read the thread.

Was GarryOwen really banned?

If so, shame on you AR-15.com and the Mods/Staff involved.

After ALL that CavArms has done for this damn website? You can't be serious.



Seriously.

If GarryOwen was banned, I'm not contributing another damn dime to this website.




I agree, I deeply regret having sent in my $100.00 renewal.



No shit. I JUST renewed my membership...and the whole time I kept thinking, "Now that I did this, something really bad is going to happen." Damn.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:24:54 PM EDT
WTF is Tonk? and what does it have to do with this? I thought it was a ref. to Batman when he hit someone.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:27:43 PM EDT
Whiskey
Tango
motherfuckingFoxtrot
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:29:15 PM EDT
I too think some of the Mods are on a power trip, I think some of them are closet PC Dem's.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:31:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 1:31:47 PM EDT by Wolfpack]
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:32:24 PM EDT
Well, whatever the hell it is I hope we all get it squared away right the fuck quick. We don't need to be slashing at each other over some of the stupidities I've seen lately.

The troll purge was justified and fine by me, but now it SEEMS the net has been cast a bit too wide. I hope there are some details I'm unaware of that make my point moot, and that we'll be made at least partially aware of them soon.....
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:32:50 PM EDT
I just don't know what to think about all this, but it certainly isn't good.

GBT
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:36:53 PM EDT
Stop the complaining like little girls. There is nothing holding you to this site. If it upsets you so dont post and take part in the discussions. Would you rather have the threads degenerate into BOTD threads and racist crap? There are alternatives like Full-auto or pre-ban, go there. People own this site and they can run it how they like. The mods lock the threads and cant ban anyone so stop bitching at them. I have had disagreements with them as well but so what. I still enjoy reading and taking part here.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:36:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 1:38:22 PM EDT by Epsilon]
Wow thats pathetic....and I thought this was a progun website....had me fooled.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:37:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:

Originally Posted By usma89:
I too think some of the Mods are on a power trip, I think some of them are closet PC Dem's.




Guys, this is NOT a mod issue, give the AZ mods a break, this is a STAFF issue. Mods can't ban anyone, we don't make ANY rules, we can just lock threads.



Sorry Wolfpack, you are correct Staff issue. You should read the "I'm sorry, but not really post by Aimless." I do not even know Aimless, but I have done a ton of business with CavArms and have found them helpful and honest. If we are kicking people like this off arfcom(and I admit I do not know the whole story) than we are in big trouble.
Maybe too many Northerners on Staff.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:39:45 PM EDT
Good thing I saw this before paying for a team membership. To CavArms: Thanks for the things you have done in the past, and a great product and receptive product design.....

thanks

PolyTechKID
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:41:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:42:59 PM EDT
I was also going to buy a membership.

It's been... Uhhh... Fun. Later Guys!
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:44:51 PM EDT
Awesome.. nothing like members of an already segmented community eating their own young at the whim of some overgrown hall monitors.

I'd really like to see a response by someone with the last name Avila about this matter. Arfcom has been good to me, but if we're going to go around pooching industry members, my little bronze star goes bye bye,
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:45:02 PM EDT
This is just nuts...
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