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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:26:16 PM EDT
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im actually looking at smaller pick ups myself, so yeah, they arent far off.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:26:45 PM EDT
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Toyota owns the smaller pickup market.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:27:12 PM EDT
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Most of the small truck Toyota owners I know are wanting to jump ship to the Colorado and Canyon.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:27:52 PM EDT
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Toyota did owns the smaller pickup market. Times are changing. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:28:36 PM EDT
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Most of the small truck Toyota owners I know are wanting to jump ship to the Colorado and Canyon. why do they want to jump ship? |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:30:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: why do they want to jump ship? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most of the small truck Toyota owners I know are wanting to jump ship to the Colorado and Canyon. why do they want to jump ship? |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:30:58 PM EDT
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It's really not a "told ya so" moment for truck. More to show that, given similar equipment, many "crossover" and even car buyers will run with a pickup instead. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:33:11 PM EDT
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Well the Frontier and the Tacoma have had the same design since 2005. So it's easy to see why an all-new design would get attention.
However, once Toyota and Nissan come out with their new models there will be little reason to go with the Chevy other than "American Pride". Even though both of the "Japanese" trucks will be built in the USA by american workers. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:34:31 PM EDT
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They'll keep doing well as long as the quality is as good as the bigger trucks.
Keeping my eye on that. I saw a blurb on Jeep maybe putting out a Jeep pickup. Small bed and no back seat but looks cool. TC |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:36:10 PM EDT
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why do they want to jump ship? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of the small truck Toyota owners I know are wanting to jump ship to the Colorado and Canyon. why do they want to jump ship? Diesel option is the biggest reason I think |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:37:21 PM EDT
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could it be that these small trucks are the same size as the full size of yesteryear?
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:38:09 PM EDT
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im actually looking at smaller pick ups myself, so yeah, they arent far off. Same The GM doesn't interest me, The Toyota is better..still not feeling it..so I'm left with the Nissan....unless Ford starts selling those "Mini-Raptors". |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:41:18 PM EDT
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They'll keep doing well as long as the quality is as good as the bigger trucks. Keeping my eye on that. I saw a blurb on Jeep maybe putting out a Jeep pickup. Small bed and no back seat but looks cool. TC They mention the Wrangler pickup at the end of the article, and say that Ford is finally thinking about bringing the Ranger back to the US. Those post-2012 Rangers look like some damn good little trucks! And I assume Ford's already got all the bugs worked out, using international customers as guinea pigs. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:41:44 PM EDT
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I still don't understand why a person would buy a Colorado/Canyon for more than a full sized truck. It'd be one thing if you could get one for somewhere in the low 20's, but then again I got my 4x4 Ram for 24k. Anyone who pays 30k+ for a mid sized truck isn't shopping around.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:43:51 PM EDT
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could it be that these small trucks are the same size as the full size of yesteryear? In terms of sheet metal, yeah, but not so much in terms of payload, hauling, etc. Or in terms of the beds. Those little 4' beds are probably the biggest deal-breaker for me. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:44:18 PM EDT
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Come on, GMC....small 4x4 with a diesel. I dare ya.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:46:31 PM EDT
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I still don't understand why a person would buy a Colorado/Canyon for more than a full sized truck. It'd be one thing if you could get one for somewhere in the low 20's, but then again I got my 4x4 Ram for 24k. Anyone who pays 30k+ for a mid sized truck isn't shopping around. In all fairness you are comparing Dodge, to Ford and Chevy. The Cummins is the only reason Dodge is competitive right now. The build quality on a Ford and Chevy truck is so much better. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:46:33 PM EDT
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All the so called small pickups are the size of fullsized trucks a decade or so ago. I don't get it. I owned a 79 Ford Courier. That was a small truck!
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:46:55 PM EDT
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Not surprising since the Ranger, Explorer Sport Trac, and Dakota are gone.
ETA- Ridgeline is gone too. So basically, the field has been cut in half compared to what was available five years ago. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:47:56 PM EDT
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In terms of sheet metal, yeah, but not so much in terms of payload, hauling, etc. Or in terms of the beds. Those little 4' beds are probably the biggest deal-breaker for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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could it be that these small trucks are the same size as the full size of yesteryear? In terms of sheet metal, yeah, but not so much in terms of payload, hauling, etc. Or in terms of the beds. Those little 4' beds are probably the biggest deal-breaker for me. Canyon/Colorado beds come in two sizes. 61.2" & 74.4" |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:48:54 PM EDT
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Why would anyone buy a first year redesign?
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:49:31 PM EDT
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Decades worth of rep doesn't evaporate in two years.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:50:38 PM EDT
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I don't understand it. Smaller trucks that cost nearly the same and have marginally better gas mileage. Unless you live in a very big city where size is an issue, it doesn't make any sense.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:51:25 PM EDT
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Toyota owns the smaller pickup market. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:51:27 PM EDT
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why do they want to jump ship? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of the small truck Toyota owners I know are wanting to jump ship to the Colorado and Canyon. why do they want to jump ship? The Tacoma is no longer a small truck, it's practically the same size as the old Tundra. People like me want a small truck, not a large or medium. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:53:13 PM EDT
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Not surprising since the Ranger, Explorer Sport Trac, and Dakota are gone. ETA- Ridgeline is gone too. So basically, the field has been cut in half compared to what was available five years ago. The funny thing is, (okay, not "ha-ha" funny) the dimensions of these new GMC and Chevy trucks are almost identical to my Dakota... and my truck is 12 years old. I don't know if I'll replace it with another truck either. I like trucks but I like the more and more-usable interior space of an SUV. But, if anything this proves that a redesign was long overdue for the Canyon and Colorado, and the market is proving that out. Plus I'd guess people who don't have room for a full size, or don't want something that large, would be interested in this. That said, my brother in law's F150 is only a couple years old and despite being much larger and having two turbos on it, monkey stomps my much smaller Dakota for fuel mileage - I hope Chevy and GMC worked on that. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:53:20 PM EDT
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http://www.autonews.com/article/20151102/OEM/311029965?template=mobile Now, one year after the Colorado and sibling GMC Canyon hit U.S. showrooms, Reuss has 95,000 more reasons to smile. That's how many of the pickups GM was estimated to have sold this year through October, surpassing experts' full-year sales estimates in just 10 months. (IHS Automotive had pegged 81,000 for all of 2015.) They're getting snapped up nearly as fast as they arrive, with virtually no incentives. And customers tilt younger, more highly educated and more urban than Chevy's other pickup buyers. So far, Reuss and other GM execs are entitled to a collective "told ya so" on one of the industry's most closely watched gambits in recent years. Skeptics wondered why GM thought consumers would want a smaller pickup. After all, customers had been voting with their wallets for more than a decade (the market for smaller pickups has shrunk by nearly 80 percent since 2000). The success of the Colorado and Canyon suggests buyers simply weren't being given enough compelling reasons before to consider a smaller pickup. Chevy reconfigured the Colorado as a feature-packed lifestyle vehicle for surfers and cyclists, with wireless connectivity and an Apple CarPlay infotainment interface. The Canyon was given the same goodies but with a brawnier look to appeal to more traditional pickup buyers. I've outgrown small pickups at this point in my life, but I'm glad to see an American automaker offering a competitive option. Some day, when I sell my business and the kids are grown, I may downsize back to a compact 4x4 pickup. This looks like it'd be a fun one. The only reason I own a large pickup is for towing. If I didn't tow a 4500lbs boat I'd have a small pickup again. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:53:21 PM EDT
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All the so called small pickups are the size of fullsized trucks a decade or so ago. I don't get it. I owned a 79 Ford Courier. That was a small truck! Some people don't want or need a full sized (ie huge) truck. I want a 4 door vehicle with a bed for occasional use. A full sized truck is too large to fit in my garage. It is more also expensive and gets worse gas mileage. I've had a 2004 Colorado ZQ8 Crew Cab for the last 11 years and 177k+ miles. Time for a new truck. My son has a 2006 Colorado extended cab with almost 200K miles. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:54:39 PM EDT
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I loved my Ranger. I wish they would have kept making them and provided a much-needed update - I'd probably be driving one today.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:54:57 PM EDT
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Toyota owns the smaller pickup market. Tacomas are ghey |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:55:02 PM EDT
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Why would anyone buy a first year redesign? I did on my 2004 but waited until the second year (2016) for the new Colorado. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:55:24 PM EDT
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Times are changing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Toyota did owns the smaller pickup market. Times are changing. I've wanted a Tacoma since HS. Actually promised my self it'll be the first thing I buy when I'm out of Law School. Since I do come from a family that only buys GMC/Chevy though, the Colorado has really piqued my interest. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:55:36 PM EDT
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Some people don't want or need a full sized (ie huge) truck. I want a 4 door vehicle with a bed for occasional use. A full sized truck is too large to fit in my garage. It is more also expensive and gets worse gas mileage. I've had a 2004 Colorado ZQ8 Crew Cab for the last 11 years and 177k+ miles. Time for a new truck. My son has a 2006 Colorado extended cab with almost 200K miles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All the so called small pickups are the size of fullsized trucks a decade or so ago. I don't get it. I owned a 79 Ford Courier. That was a small truck! Some people don't want or need a full sized (ie huge) truck. I want a 4 door vehicle with a bed for occasional use. A full sized truck is too large to fit in my garage. It is more also expensive and gets worse gas mileage. I've had a 2004 Colorado ZQ8 Crew Cab for the last 11 years and 177k+ miles. Time for a new truck. My son has a 2006 Colorado extended cab with almost 200K miles. That's exactly why I got the Dakota: I needed to haul stuff periodically, and I wanted a 4x4. But I didn't want to drop full size truck dough. Also at the time, the mileage on the full sizes was bad. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:57:06 PM EDT
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Digging my GMC Canyon SLE All Terrain. It's a good little truck.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:57:45 PM EDT
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I seen one yesterday at the gas station and it wasn't that much smaller than a full size truck.
Def biggger than tacomas and frontiers. For the price, I would rather have a full size with a full crew cab. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:57:59 PM EDT
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The Tacoma is no longer a small truck, it's practically the same size as the old Tundra. People like me want a small truck, not a large or medium. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of the small truck Toyota owners I know are wanting to jump ship to the Colorado and Canyon. why do they want to jump ship? The Tacoma is no longer a small truck, it's practically the same size as the old Tundra. People like me want a small truck, not a large or medium. I'd rather get a pre-05 Tacoma and have it rebuilt to like new by a guy with a decade plus experience with everything that can go bad on them. I'd do that long before I bought a new Government Motors, and my bet is I'd spend less money and get more truck for it. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:58:14 PM EDT
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Come on, GMC....small 4x4 with a diesel. I dare ya. Umm ... You can order one now. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:58:41 PM EDT
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Most of the small truck Toyota owners I know are wanting to jump ship to the Colorado and Canyon. My 2013 Tacoma almost annoys me. Multiple stupid little things. The damn 12v socket not having constant power REALLY pisses me off. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:59:36 PM EDT
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The only reason I own a large pickup is for towing. If I didn't tow a 4500lbs boat I'd have a small pickup again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.autonews.com/article/20151102/OEM/311029965?template=mobile Now, one year after the Colorado and sibling GMC Canyon hit U.S. showrooms, Reuss has 95,000 more reasons to smile. That's how many of the pickups GM was estimated to have sold this year through October, surpassing experts' full-year sales estimates in just 10 months. (IHS Automotive had pegged 81,000 for all of 2015.) They're getting snapped up nearly as fast as they arrive, with virtually no incentives. And customers tilt younger, more highly educated and more urban than Chevy's other pickup buyers. So far, Reuss and other GM execs are entitled to a collective "told ya so" on one of the industry's most closely watched gambits in recent years. Skeptics wondered why GM thought consumers would want a smaller pickup. After all, customers had been voting with their wallets for more than a decade (the market for smaller pickups has shrunk by nearly 80 percent since 2000). The success of the Colorado and Canyon suggests buyers simply weren't being given enough compelling reasons before to consider a smaller pickup. Chevy reconfigured the Colorado as a feature-packed lifestyle vehicle for surfers and cyclists, with wireless connectivity and an Apple CarPlay infotainment interface. The Canyon was given the same goodies but with a brawnier look to appeal to more traditional pickup buyers. I've outgrown small pickups at this point in my life, but I'm glad to see an American automaker offering a competitive option. Some day, when I sell my business and the kids are grown, I may downsize back to a compact 4x4 pickup. This looks like it'd be a fun one. The only reason I own a large pickup is for towing. If I didn't tow a 4500lbs boat I'd have a small pickup again. Both will handle your 4,500 pound boat. 7,000 pound towing capacity with the tow package. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 5:59:41 PM EDT
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The only reason I own a large pickup is for towing. If I didn't tow a 4500lbs boat I'd have a small pickup again. The new Canyon/Colorado are rated at 7500 lb towing. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 6:00:25 PM EDT
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Come on, GMC....small 4x4 with a diesel. I dare ya. Already happened bro. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 6:02:21 PM EDT
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I'd rather get a pre-05 Tacoma and have it rebuilt to like new by a guy with a decade plus experience with everything that can go bad on them. I'd do that long before I bought a new Government Motors, and my bet is I'd spend less money and get more truck for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of the small truck Toyota owners I know are wanting to jump ship to the Colorado and Canyon. why do they want to jump ship? The Tacoma is no longer a small truck, it's practically the same size as the old Tundra. People like me want a small truck, not a large or medium. I'd rather get a pre-05 Tacoma and have it rebuilt to like new by a guy with a decade plus experience with everything that can go bad on them. I'd do that long before I bought a new Government Motors, and my bet is I'd spend less money and get more truck for it. Why in the living hell would you do that? What a waste of time and money. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 6:03:59 PM EDT
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http://www.autonews.com/article/20151102/OEM/311029965?template=mobile Now, one year after the Colorado and sibling GMC Canyon hit U.S. showrooms, Reuss has 95,000 more reasons to smile. That's how many of the pickups GM was estimated to have sold this year through October, surpassing experts' full-year sales estimates in just 10 months. (IHS Automotive had pegged 81,000 for all of 2015.) They're getting snapped up nearly as fast as they arrive, with virtually no incentives. And customers tilt younger, more highly educated and more urban than Chevy's other pickup buyers. So far, Reuss and other GM execs are entitled to a collective "told ya so" on one of the industry's most closely watched gambits in recent years. Skeptics wondered why GM thought consumers would want a smaller pickup. After all, customers had been voting with their wallets for more than a decade (the market for smaller pickups has shrunk by nearly 80 percent since 2000). The success of the Colorado and Canyon suggests buyers simply weren't being given enough compelling reasons before to consider a smaller pickup. Chevy reconfigured the Colorado as a feature-packed lifestyle vehicle for surfers and cyclists, with wireless connectivity and an Apple CarPlay infotainment interface. The Canyon was given the same goodies but with a brawnier look to appeal to more traditional pickup buyers. I've outgrown small pickups at this point in my life, but I'm glad to see an American automaker offering a competitive option. Some day, when I sell my business and the kids are grown, I may downsize back to a compact 4x4 pickup. This looks like it'd be a fun one. you gonna get RAPED. The Toyota kool-aid is deep here. 
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Posted: 11/2/2015 6:03:59 PM EDT
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im actually looking at smaller pick ups myself, so yeah, they arent far off. This. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 6:07:00 PM EDT
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My 2013 Tacoma almost annoys me. Multiple stupid little things. The damn 12v socket not having constant power REALLY pisses me off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of the small truck Toyota owners I know are wanting to jump ship to the Colorado and Canyon. My 2013 Tacoma almost annoys me. Multiple stupid little things. The damn 12v socket not having constant power REALLY pisses me off. I hear ya. I had a 2004 2002 Taco that rusted itself apart and was overall a dog. I don't get GD's fascination with that vehicle. Never again. ETA: Wrong year. It was a 2002. the Tundra I had was a 2004 and was equally a piece of shit. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 6:08:12 PM EDT
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Well the Frontier and the Tacoma have had the same design since 2005. So it's easy to see why an all-new design would get attention. However, once Toyota and Nissan come out with their new models there will be little reason to go with the Chevy other than "American Pride". Even though both of the "Japanese" trucks will be built in the USA by american workers. Tacoma's third gen premieres with the 2016 model and Nissan revamped their foreign version of the Frontier last year so I wouldn't be surprised if the North American version follows suit with the 2017 model. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 6:11:54 PM EDT
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The Tacoma is no longer a small truck, it's practically the same size as the old Tundra. People like me want a small truck, not a large or medium. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of the small truck Toyota owners I know are wanting to jump ship to the Colorado and Canyon. why do they want to jump ship? The Tacoma is no longer a small truck, it's practically the same size as the old Tundra. People like me want a small truck, not a large or medium. The GMC isn't smaller than the Tacoma. The Tacoma, like just about everything else Toyota makes these days, is very conservative to to point of being dated the day it goes on sale. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 6:13:12 PM EDT
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Tacoma's third gen premieres with the 2016 model and Nissan revamped their foreign version of the Frontier last year so I wouldn't be surprised if the North American version follows suit with the 2017 model. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well the Frontier and the Tacoma have had the same design since 2005. So it's easy to see why an all-new design would get attention. However, once Toyota and Nissan come out with their new models there will be little reason to go with the Chevy other than "American Pride". Even though both of the "Japanese" trucks will be built in the USA by american workers. Tacoma's third gen premieres with the 2016 model and Nissan revamped their foreign version of the Frontier last year so I wouldn't be surprised if the North American version follows suit with the 2017 model. 2016 model with maybe 2010 tech. Why you guys keep rewarding Toyota for building todays truck with last gen parts/tech is beyond me. How unreliable do you think american trucks are, did one personally let you down that hard? |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 6:13:39 PM EDT
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Tacoma's third gen premieres with the 2016 model and Nissan revamped their foreign version of the Frontier last year so I wouldn't be surprised if the North American version follows suit with the 2017 model. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well the Frontier and the Tacoma have had the same design since 2005. So it's easy to see why an all-new design would get attention. However, once Toyota and Nissan come out with their new models there will be little reason to go with the Chevy other than "American Pride". Even though both of the "Japanese" trucks will be built in the USA by american workers. Tacoma's third gen premieres with the 2016 model and Nissan revamped their foreign version of the Frontier last year so I wouldn't be surprised if the North American version follows suit with the 2017 model. The Toyota 3rd Gen is considered to be more of a reskin/update than a whole new Generation. |
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Posted: 11/2/2015 6:16:07 PM EDT
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I'd rather get a pre-05 Tacoma and have it rebuilt to like new by a guy with a decade plus experience with everything that can go bad on them. I'd do that long before I bought a new Government Motors, and my bet is I'd spend less money and get more truck for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of the small truck Toyota owners I know are wanting to jump ship to the Colorado and Canyon. why do they want to jump ship? The Tacoma is no longer a small truck, it's practically the same size as the old Tundra. People like me want a small truck, not a large or medium. I'd rather get a pre-05 Tacoma and have it rebuilt to like new by a guy with a decade plus experience with everything that can go bad on them. I'd do that long before I bought a new Government Motors, and my bet is I'd spend less money and get more truck for it. Those small Tacoma's are awesome. |
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