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Posted: 9/17/2009 3:38:41 PM EST
Well time has final come. I have to retire the series 70 gov. model 1911 a1 from daliy carry.
The value has climbed to a level that, with the orginal box and papers I have to make her a safe queen.
She has a soft place next to my first duty carry a Trooper MKIII, she has about 85% finish from carry from the years since the 80's. She is resting now to be cared for as a sweet old girl she is. Never failed when needed,abused but cared for, One part that failed over the years was the safety lever.
My new baby is a Rock Island Basic model, but all springs changed out, and time spent on the fit/finish of the moving parts.
She funtions very well with every ammo including wolf.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:41:13 PM EST
Going from a Series 70 to a RIA? How much is your life worth my friend?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:49:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Going from a Series 70 to a RIA? How much is your life worth my friend?


I have to agree. What are you saving the Colt for? Plan on using it in the after life? Carry that gun!
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:52:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Going from a Series 70 to a RIA? How much is your life worth my friend?


Seriously. A RIA?

Nope.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:55:07 PM EST
So how much does a series 70 with 85% finish go for these days?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:58:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
Well time has final come. I have to retire the series 70 gov. model 1911 a1 from daliy carry.
The value has climbed to a level that, with the orginal box and papers I have to make her a safe queen.
She has a soft place next to my first duty carry a Trooper MKIII, she has about 85% finish from carry from the years since the 80's. She is resting now to be cared for as a sweet old girl she is. Never failed when needed,abused but cared for, One part that failed over the years was the safety lever.
My new baby is a Rock Island Basic model, but all springs changed out, and time spent on the fit/finish of the moving parts.
She funtions very well with every ammo including wolf.


If you want to retire the Colt, cool.

I would replace it with a Colt 70 series re-pro, being that your use to that style.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:58:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Going from a Series 70 to a RIA? How much is your life worth my friend?


+1
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 3:58:15 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:00:43 PM EST
nothing against RIA, but is the supposed value of something that makes it a hanger queen really worth it?

Just a question to ask yourself.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:01:13 PM EST
It's rather comical that you are retiring an 85% series 70 when many guys here are daily carrying guns worth twice as much.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:02:32 PM EST
RIA's aren't as bad as most people think. I would trust my life to one. Having said that, if I could carry a 1911, itd be my Springer
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:04:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By SwatDawg15:
Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
Well time has final come. I have to retire the series 70 gov. model 1911 a1 from daliy carry.
The value has climbed to a level that, with the orginal box and papers I have to make her a safe queen.
She has a soft place next to my first duty carry a Trooper MKIII, she has about 85% finish from carry from the years since the 80's. She is resting now to be cared for as a sweet old girl she is. Never failed when needed,abused but cared for, One part that failed over the years was the safety lever.
My new baby is a Rock Island Basic model, but all springs changed out, and time spent on the fit/finish of the moving parts.
She funtions very well with every ammo including wolf.


If you want to retire the Colt, cool.

I would replace it with a Colt 70 series re-pro, being that your use to that style.



Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:04:57 PM EST
Is this pretend our guns are worth more than they are day?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:05:15 PM EST
I give you a pic of the one my dad carried on duty for many years. Considering getting it refinished.



How about that Trooper MKIII? Another one of my dad's.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:05:27 PM EST
hell I carry a a 99 % series 70 gold cup national match, it doesnt bother me any
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:07:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601:
hell I carry a a 99 % series 70 gold cup national match, it doesnt bother me any


I carried mine to a friend's wedding because I was told "if you are going to carry a gun to the wedding, at least make it a nice one."
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:08:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601:
hell I carry a a 99 % series 70 gold cup national match, it doesnt bother me any


I carried mine to a friend's wedding because I was told "if you are going to carry a gun to the wedding, at least make it a nice one."




haha yeah thats true I love mine. it is stock too
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:08:32 PM EST
I have used to Rock Island as a starting point, notice I replaced every spring, and spent time on fit and function. This has not been a short term project. The Rock island has been a base for my personal build. Many years with the 1911 frame, have given me insite to what I need.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:12:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By Sumo:
So how much does a series 70 with 85% finish go for these days?


$500.00.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:12:52 PM EST
OMG gun porn 4 iinch Trooper, mine is 6 inch.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:14:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By Sumo:
So how much does a series 70 with 85% finish go for these days?


$500.00.



I have not seen that price, tell me where. That is for a original series 70's with papers.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:15:09 PM EST
Its probably been said before I could get to it but seriously you must be joking right?


Colt Series 70s arent collectable, and arent worth anything.

RIA is a range blaster, not something to bet your life on. Not that most of the Colt 70s were either but theyre a bit better odds wise.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:15:20 PM EST
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Going from a Series 70 to a RIA? How much is your life worth my friend?


I had a RIA that ran ten times better than my Kimber, Springfield or either Colt. RIA is not a terrible gun by any means.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:17:54 PM EST
I had 2 series 70's for years. No more reliable than my SA 1911A1, sorry, but true.

Nevertheless, both are great pistols.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:18:41 PM EST

I shot my friends RIA and it felt like shit even compared to my springfield. The fit and finish was shit, the slide wouldent lock back. OKOK I know not all RIA are like that. But it put a bad taste in my mouth.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:18:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 4:21:21 PM EST by TheTracker]
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=140009881

Is it like this?

This one looks to be around 95 to 99%
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:18:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By glockfan45:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Going from a Series 70 to a RIA? How much is your life worth my friend?


I had a RIA that ran ten times better than my Kimber, Springfield or either Colt. RIA is not a terrible gun by any means.


RIA makes a fine 1911. Nothing wrong with it at all. ARFCOM is like 8th grade girls that insist on wearing Guess jeans instead of Levi's.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:19:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 4:19:50 PM EST by patriot73]
Originally Posted By paul_the_welder:

I shot my friends RIA and it felt like shit even compared to my springfield. The fit and finish was shit, the slide wouldent lock back. OKOK I know not all RIA are like that. But it put a bad taste in my mouth.


The slide wouldn't lock back because of the piece of shit magazine you had in it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:20:18 PM EST

If you must retire the Colt, replace it with another Colt.

You'll thank me later.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:21:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 4:24:02 PM EST by fxntime]
Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By Sumo:
So how much does a series 70 with 85% finish go for these days?


$500.00.



I have not seen that price, tell me where. That is for a original series 70's with papers.


In 85% condition..............

I bought a 95+ condition series 70 9mm for just a bit more then that last year. I can buy a NIB with papers 1974 series 70 right now for right around $825.00, never been fired. Yes, you might get more but thats really all it's worth. It's worth maybe $275-$300 at a gun shop. I loves me my Colt 1911s and I keep up on pricing reasonably well. This isn't the best time to be selling, the market has sagged quite a bit firearm wise.

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:21:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 4:22:54 PM EST by glockfan45]
Originally Posted By patriot73:
Originally Posted By glockfan45:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Going from a Series 70 to a RIA? How much is your life worth my friend?


I had a RIA that ran ten times better than my Kimber, Springfield or either Colt. RIA is not a terrible gun by any means.


RIA makes a fine 1911. Nothing wrong with it at all. ARFCOM is like 8th grade girls that insist on wearing Guess jeans instead of Levi's.


My only issue with it was the cast frame and slide. I did not own it for long since I bought it for $300 from a coworker who needed the $$$ and later sold it for $400 but I wonder how well it would hold up over thousands of rounds. Aside from that it had a fantastic trigger and was just as accurate as my Kimber Custom Target.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:29:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 4:34:43 PM EST by Element94]
There's something with the firing pin, I think, that makes the Series '70 guns more desirable than later model Colts. If you had one NIB with all papers it would be worth bank, but not one drug around as a duty weapon for years.


Edit : When Colt went to Series '80 they made it so the firing pin would not go forward if pistol was dropped a certain way. This "safety" feature helped the value of the Series '70 since they did not have it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:33:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By Sumo:
So how much does a series 70 with 85% finish go for these days?


$500.00.



I have not seen that price, tell me where. That is for a original series 70's with papers.


In 85% condition..............

I bought a 95+ condition series 70 9mm for just a bit more then that last year. I can buy a NIB with papers 1974 series 70 right now for right around $825.00, never been fired. Yes, you might get more but thats really all it's worth. It's worth maybe $275-$300 at a gun shop. I loves me my Colt 1911s and I keep up on pricing reasonably well. This isn't the best time to be selling, the market has sagged quite a bit firearm wise.



Blue Book on a MkIV/Series 70:

100% - $1000
98% - $775
95% - $600
90% - $500
80% - $450
70% - $400

Box & papers _might_ warrant a BB value of 10% more.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:35:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By Element94:
There's something with the firing pin, I think, that makes the Series '70 guns more desirable than later model Colts. If you had one NIB with all papers it would be worth bank, but not one drug around as a duty weapon for years.


No, it's a distinction between Series 80 and pre-80. People often misappropriate the term "Series 70" to mean any 1911 with a standard, non-FPB FCG. The Series 70 is a specific model series, and does NOT refer to the FCG parts at all. (Note: there is no such thing as a S70 Commander; only S80 and pre-80 Commanders.)
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:39:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By Walkure:
Originally Posted By Element94:
There's something with the firing pin, I think, that makes the Series '70 guns more desirable than later model Colts. If you had one NIB with all papers it would be worth bank, but not one drug around as a duty weapon for years.


No, it's a distinction between Series 80 and pre-80. People often misappropriate the term "Series 70" to mean any 1911 with a standard, non-FPB FCG. The Series 70 is a specific model series, and does NOT refer to the FCG parts at all. (Note: there is no such thing as a S70 Commander; only S80 and pre-80 Commanders.)


A Series '70 must say it on the rollmark on the side. Those guns did not have the FPB. The Series '80 did. Correct?
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:43:03 PM EST
Dang the gun shop commado's have been offering me $1200 to $1300.
Left alone what the fun show people have offered, oh wait, I would have killed a hundred Hadji's , and doctored the papers.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:44:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By Element94:
Originally Posted By Walkure:
Originally Posted By Element94:
There's something with the firing pin, I think, that makes the Series '70 guns more desirable than later model Colts. If you had one NIB with all papers it would be worth bank, but not one drug around as a duty weapon for years.


No, it's a distinction between Series 80 and pre-80. People often misappropriate the term "Series 70" to mean any 1911 with a standard, non-FPB FCG. The Series 70 is a specific model series, and does NOT refer to the FCG parts at all. (Note: there is no such thing as a S70 Commander; only S80 and pre-80 Commanders.)


A Series '70 must say it on the rollmark on the side. Those guns did not have the FPB. The Series '80 did. Correct?


Correct.

S80 (and S90 - IIRC, certain subcompacts are labeled as "Series 90") uses a trigger-actuated FPB.

S70 includes the use of the "accurizer" barrel and fingered collet bushing.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:44:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 4:48:03 PM EST by fxntime]
Originally Posted By Element94:
Originally Posted By Walkure:
Originally Posted By Element94:
There's something with the firing pin, I think, that makes the Series '70 guns more desirable than later model Colts. If you had one NIB with all papers it would be worth bank, but not one drug around as a duty weapon for years.


No, it's a distinction between Series 80 and pre-80. People often misappropriate the term "Series 70" to mean any 1911 with a standard, non-FPB FCG. The Series 70 is a specific model series, and does NOT refer to the FCG parts at all. (Note: there is no such thing as a S70 Commander; only S80 and pre-80 Commanders.)


A Series '70 must say it on the rollmark on the side. Those guns did not have the FPB. The Series '80 did. Correct?


Yes.

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Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:47:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 4:48:39 PM EST by crofoot629]
You know the Colt is not completely safe at home in your safe?

Perhaps the risk of theft and fire at home offsets the risk of carry?

I'm not a rich man, but I don't think twice about carrying one of my 2k Wilson Combat's. At least I know where one of them is that way.

Emory

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:53:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
I have used to Rock Island as a starting point, notice I replaced every spring, and spent time on fit and function. This has not been a short term project. The Rock island has been a base for my personal build. Many years with the 1911 frame, have given me insite to what I need.


If your years of insight brought you to change out a Colt to a RIA, then respectfully sir, I urge you to look over your notes once more. And this is from a former RIA owner. IMHO, you could do SOOOOO much better.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:55:25 PM EST
I traded a glock 26 for this



Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:56:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By glockfan45:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Going from a Series 70 to a RIA? How much is your life worth my friend?


I had a RIA that ran ten times better than my Kimber, Springfield or either Colt. RIA is not a terrible gun by any means.


+1. The RIA is a perfectly serviceable pistol for someone who has a very basic working knowledge of the 1911 design.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:59:06 PM EST
20 years of carry and 85% finish, you might as well keep carrying it. Prices on these are not going up, and haven't for awhile- especially not carried ones.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:02:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 5:02:59 PM EST by Windustsearch]
Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
Dang the gun shop commado's have been offering me $1200 to $1300.
Left alone what the fun show people have offered, oh wait, I would have killed a hundred Hadji's , and doctored the papers.


You've actually been offered that much? If so, sell it and buy an NIB one for $800/$900.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:10:14 PM EST
Send your pistol out to a smith and and have her redone back to factory specs. Seriosly when the alcohol wears off rethink the RIA, you must not have any family to go home to.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:14:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By Windustsearch:
Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
Dang the gun shop commado's have been offering me $1200 to $1300.
Left alone what the fun show people have offered, oh wait, I would have killed a hundred Hadji's , and doctored the papers.


You've actually been offered that much? If so, sell it and buy an NIB one for $800/$900.


Hey send the links, I will buy two at that price. with the documents.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:18:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 5:20:30 PM EST by RIA45ACP]
I started off carrying a RIA, paid less than 300 when they first appeared, it was worth what I paid and it worked, I don't own it anymore a friend does. I own and carry 2 early 70's made Combat Commander's now.

I wish I could change my user name.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:27:20 PM EST
Hell man, It's a tool, use it.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:27:40 PM EST
The roll stamp is misaligned on ALL of them:

Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:34:28 PM EST
If RIA built the 1911s used in WW 2, Youd be speaking German now.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 5:36:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
Originally Posted By Windustsearch:
Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
Dang the gun shop commado's have been offering me $1200 to $1300.
Left alone what the fun show people have offered, oh wait, I would have killed a hundred Hadji's , and doctored the papers.


You've actually been offered that much? If so, sell it and buy an NIB one for $800/$900.


Hey send the links, I will buy two at that price. with the documents.


Check gunbroker.
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