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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:06:18 PM EDT
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Wonder if he got that sinking feeling at some point
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:07:41 PM EDT
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overhead enclosure diving is incredibly dangerous. At 194 ft as well? Fuck that.
RIP |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:08:06 PM EDT
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"Two men enter,one man leave"
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:10:12 PM EDT
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Seems like a UUV might be a better choice to map out dangerous caves.
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:11:19 PM EDT
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He died doing what he loved.
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:11:21 PM EDT
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Why would he let the safety line get away from him?
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:11:45 PM EDT
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The #1 nope tied with being on-fire.
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:11:52 PM EDT
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RIP
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:12:02 PM EDT
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Wonder if he got that sinking feeling at some point Obviously, you are not a diver. You obviously are not funny either. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:13:06 PM EDT
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Sounds like a serious navigation error. There was no permanent line where they were at so all they had to exit on was some braided #24 line. The lack of flow probably didn't help him much either. So when the silt out occurred he went to the line, my guess is that he pulled out the placements as a result of disorientation and could get back out.
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:14:20 PM EDT
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overhead enclosure diving is incredibly dangerous. At 194 ft as well? Fuck that. RIP Cavern diving is extremely dangerous....you need certification...tons of experience...and triple redundant safety along with backup divers ready to rescue....with a well practiced plan in place. Sounds like a place where permanent safety cables leading in an out are not in place? 
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:15:00 PM EDT
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overhead enclosure diving is incredibly dangerous. At 194 ft as well? Fuck that. RIP This. Add in heavy sediment and silt, and it's even worse. I've done enough confined space diving to realize all those tricks they tell you in a classroom (like watching which way your bubbles rise) can get overridden very quickly by panic. As with all things, I would anticipate numerous failures will be cited (particularly losing or not having his line out). Running out of air in a confined space in the dark by yourself has to be an incredibly bad way to go.... |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:15:27 PM EDT
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194 ft? Wonder if Nitrogen Narcosis got to him. Either way fuck that shit.
I say that as a certified public safety diver who has done plenty of blackwater dives. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:17:19 PM EDT
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He died doing what he loved. Drowning? There are old _________ and there are bold________, there are very few old bold __________. I think this is one of those hobbies/jobs/experiences that would fit into those blanks. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:17:36 PM EDT
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Cavern diving is extremely dangerous....you need certification...tons of experience...and triple redundant safety along with backup divers ready to rescue....with a well practiced plan in place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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overhead enclosure diving is incredibly dangerous. At 194 ft as well? Fuck that. RIP Cavern diving is extremely dangerous....you need certification...tons of experience...and triple redundant safety along with backup divers ready to rescue....with a well practiced plan in place. In the open water class I took our cynical instructor said, basically, "if your goal is to die while diving, I suggest you get the cave diver certification." |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:17:38 PM EDT
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Sounds like a place where permanent safety cables leading in an out are not in place? The article said they were mapping out new areas of the cave. On top of that, it sounds like an area they weren't supposed to go in: “Shane was supposed to stay out and for whatever reason entered the cave” I strongly suspect any lines out were the ones they pulled behind them. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:18:06 PM EDT
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194 ft? Wonder if Nitrogen Narcosis got to him. Either way fuck that shit. I say that as a certified public safety diver who has done plenty of blackwater dives. Nitrox I bet |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:19:10 PM EDT
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Nope.
Wrecks creep me out. I won't go anywhere near a cave. RIP |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:19:33 PM EDT
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The article said they were mapping out new areas of the cave. On top of that, it sounds like an area they weren't supposed to go in: “Shane was supposed to stay out and for whatever reason entered the cave” I strongly suspect any lines out were the ones they pulled behind them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like a place where permanent safety cables leading in an out are not in place? The article said they were mapping out new areas of the cave. On top of that, it sounds like an area they weren't supposed to go in: “Shane was supposed to stay out and for whatever reason entered the cave” I strongly suspect any lines out were the ones they pulled behind them. Yep....I would also guess that they planned their dive but did not dive their plan. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:20:58 PM EDT
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Yep....I would also guess that they planned their dive but did not dive their plan. Exactly. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:21:20 PM EDT
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Safety line. Safety line, Safety line. Never leave home without, or you may not leave the cave.
Poor bastard, I cant image the hopelessness that guy felt. I suppose, as some tiny bit of comfort, I hope his lights help out longer than his oxygen. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:22:01 PM EDT
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duplicate
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:22:45 PM EDT
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Obviously, you are not a diver. You obviously are not funny either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wonder if he got that sinking feeling at some point Obviously, you are not a diver. You obviously are not funny either. Your butthurt and avatart are very funny. You seem bends out of shape. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:23:15 PM EDT
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That method of checking out gives a person way too much time to contemplate their demise.
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:25:01 PM EDT
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He died doing what he loved.  Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:25:21 PM EDT
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Interesting to read that Young NOW wants the caves sealed off for being too dangerous even though HE got permission after they had been off limits. While tragic, that is total BS and my respect for him dropped like a rock.
Also sounds like both divers failed to regroup after things started to go wrong which is absolutely a no no. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:26:32 PM EDT
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He died doing what he loved. If it's good for base jumpers it's good for cave divers...right.... |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:31:39 PM EDT
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By the time Young finally found Thompson, he was already dead. Not sure how your partner has air, finds him, and dude is already dead. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:32:44 PM EDT
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I used to live in a town not too far away from Santa Rosa. Knew people that dived that hole, but didn't know it was that dangerous.
Lord, what a terrible feeling that must have been. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:33:02 PM EDT
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Nitrox I bet Quote HistoryQuoted:
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194 ft? Wonder if Nitrogen Narcosis got to him. Either way fuck that shit. I say that as a certified public safety diver who has done plenty of blackwater dives. Nitrox I bet Without having full details, I'd suspect that a caver granted special access would be on a depth-appropriate bottom gas with travel gas staged at proper points if not just rigged alongside. I'm just a low-time NAUI open water guy certified in '91. Of course, the Navy air tables do go down to 190', and the Rouses opted to go deep air for their fatal U-869 dive. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:34:59 PM EDT
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Nitrox I bet Quote HistoryQuoted:
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194 ft? Wonder if Nitrogen Narcosis got to him. Either way fuck that shit. I say that as a certified public safety diver who has done plenty of blackwater dives. Nitrox I bet Nitrox at depth would be worse than air. O2 toxicity. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:35:36 PM EDT
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From the article secondary link to:
http://www.scubaboard.com/community/threads/shane-thompson.524794/page-2 Shane searched and recovered my husband, Jeff's, body in 175 feet when the city of LaJolla ran out of funds. Shane is our hero & we are devastated by the news of his passing. It is a truly sad event and our family is forever grateful for Shane's ability to share his skill set with others because "you can." The May Family |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:46:28 PM EDT
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I've been through Santa Rosa, total shithole. Nothing against the diver.
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:52:20 PM EDT
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Just no, no, no, will not go into something like that.
A prayer for him and his family. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:53:21 PM EDT
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Famous last words from the experts:
"It will never happen to me, because I'm an expert!" Sorry the the family's loss though. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:53:54 PM EDT
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I've been on numerous dives (around 50, I know this is nothing compared to most)
I have done enough diving to be dangerous. Open water stuff is great but I had considered something more. The subject of cave diving came up and it is very interesting to me. I asked my instructor (long time friend/professional fireman) This man is a great diver and I would feel comfortable doing almost any dive if he were with me. He advised me against cave diving. The fact that he wasn't comfortable doing them, told me that I have no business in underwater caves. I will be limited to admiring them from safe distance
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:54:44 PM EDT
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Nitrox I bet Quote HistoryQuoted:
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194 ft? Wonder if Nitrogen Narcosis got to him. Either way fuck that shit. I say that as a certified public safety diver who has done plenty of blackwater dives. Nitrox I bet In all likelihood he'd be breathing Trimix at that depth. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:56:06 PM EDT
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This. Add in heavy sediment and silt, and it's even worse. I've done enough confined space diving to realize all those tricks they tell you in a classroom (like watching which way your bubbles rise) can get overridden very quickly by panic. As with all things, I would anticipate numerous failures will be cited (particularly losing or not having his line out). Running out of air in a confined space in the dark by yourself has to be an incredibly bad way to go.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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overhead enclosure diving is incredibly dangerous. At 194 ft as well? Fuck that. RIP This. Add in heavy sediment and silt, and it's even worse. I've done enough confined space diving to realize all those tricks they tell you in a classroom (like watching which way your bubbles rise) can get overridden very quickly by panic. As with all things, I would anticipate numerous failures will be cited (particularly losing or not having his line out). Running out of air in a confined space in the dark by yourself has to be an incredibly bad way to go.... True that. I remember my first night dive I got separated from my partner and had my torch go out. Thought to myself, no big deal, I'll just slowly ascend, I was only around 30ish feet, no biggie. Couldn't see my bubbles, water was in no way clear and there was no moon. I ended up swimming horizontally for 12 minutes before I realized my plan was not working. Throw yourself in a cave with zero vis? Noooooope. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:56:15 PM EDT
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Yep....I would also guess that they planned their dive but did not dive their plan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like a place where permanent safety cables leading in an out are not in place? The article said they were mapping out new areas of the cave. On top of that, it sounds like an area they weren't supposed to go in: “Shane was supposed to stay out and for whatever reason entered the cave” I strongly suspect any lines out were the ones they pulled behind them. Yep....I would also guess that they planned their dive but did not dive their plan. Pretty much. Shit is unforgiving. 
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:56:45 PM EDT
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Very sad, RIP.
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:56:50 PM EDT
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Not sure how your partner has air, finds him, and dude is already dead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
By the time Young finally found Thompson, he was already dead. Not sure how your partner has air, finds him, and dude is already dead. Panic Eta: this thread reminds me of the one awhile back about caving and cave diving. Gives me the creeps just thinking about it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:56:56 PM EDT
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194 ft? Wonder if Nitrogen Narcosis got to him. Either way fuck that shit. I say that as a certified public safety diver who has done plenty of blackwater dives. I doubt his gas mix would have allowed for that. Probably on trimix or something. No need for narcosis to kill you at that depth, in that environment. Plenty of other ways. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 12:58:57 PM EDT
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Cavern diving is extremely dangerous....you need certification...tons of experience...and triple redundant safety along with backup divers ready to rescue....with a well practiced plan in place. Sounds like a place where permanent safety cables leading in an out are not in place? http://www.tamug.edu/cavebiology/Bahamas/caves/images/GuardianMap.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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overhead enclosure diving is incredibly dangerous. At 194 ft as well? Fuck that. RIP Cavern diving is extremely dangerous....you need certification...tons of experience...and triple redundant safety along with backup divers ready to rescue....with a well practiced plan in place. Sounds like a place where permanent safety cables leading in an out are not in place? http://www.tamug.edu/cavebiology/Bahamas/caves/images/GuardianMap.jpg Whole lotta NOPE in that picture. Gotta love all those squeeze points... And the question marks are just so comforting. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 1:01:14 PM EDT
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Whole lotta NOPE in that picture. Gotta love all those squeeze points... And the question marks are just so comforting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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overhead enclosure diving is incredibly dangerous. At 194 ft as well? Fuck that. RIP Cavern diving is extremely dangerous....you need certification...tons of experience...and triple redundant safety along with backup divers ready to rescue....with a well practiced plan in place. Sounds like a place where permanent safety cables leading in an out are not in place? http://www.tamug.edu/cavebiology/Bahamas/caves/images/GuardianMap.jpg Whole lotta NOPE in that picture. Gotta love all those squeeze points... And the question marks are just so comforting. How the hell does that giant section support itself with no bottom and basically no top connection. Am I looking at it wrong? |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 1:01:48 PM EDT
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Not sure how your partner has air, finds him, and dude is already dead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
By the time Young finally found Thompson, he was already dead. Not sure how your partner has air, finds him, and dude is already dead. He was panicking and breathing faster, using up his air faster. Or, since he was supposed to stay outside the cave went down with less air since he wasn't going to be exerting himself. Either way, as soon as the silt went up cutting off visibility, they both should have left. And they should have had communication gear. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 1:01:52 PM EDT
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Your butthurt and avatart are very funny. You seem bends out of shape. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wonder if he got that sinking feeling at some point Obviously, you are not a diver. You obviously are not funny either. Your butthurt and avatart are very funny. You seem bends out of shape. Really. This isn't some dumb ass who brought his kid with him or deserves a Darwin award or was committing a crime. It's a 43 year old explorer with a family. That guilt that you must have somewhere deep down at piling on and posting something you can't possibly think is funny... I'd listen to it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 1:04:13 PM EDT
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Caves are not a no, they are a HELL NO.
I feel bad for the family, glad they at least recovered the body quickly. |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 1:08:07 PM EDT
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He didn't follow the plan, according to what I am reading. Going in after saying he was going to stay out.
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Posted: 4/3/2016 1:10:01 PM EDT
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He died doing what he loved. Came here to post this... Shoulda known Extorris would beat me to it... |
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Posted: 4/3/2016 1:13:11 PM EDT
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Been posted here before, but an interesting read about another experienced cave diver.
http://www.outsideonline.com/1922711/raising-dead Ten minutes into his dive, Dave Shaw started to look for the bottom. Utter blackness pressed in on him from all sides, and he directed his high-intensity light downward, hoping for a flash of rock or mud. Shaw, a 50-year-old Aussie, was in an alien world, more than 800 feet below the surface pool that marks the entrance to Bushman's Hole, a remote sinkhole in the Northern Cape province of South Africa and the third-deepest freshwater cave known to man. |
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