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Posted: 10/4/2005 6:05:44 PM EDT
For various reasons...

I'm going enlisted now, with the intent to take another shot at a commission in a few years when I have some actual experience in the Army....

I've got orders for AIT, MOS 15G (Aircraft Structural Repair), which while not my first choice (That was 19K - I was going to be an Armor officer had I graduated, and would have liked to have my enlisted time in Armor for the above mentioned 2nd go around)

Oh well, there are worse things I could have gotten, and I do have a decent interest in aviation...

So I guess I'll be learning to fix helicopters....

Still wish I'd have gotten to be a tanker...
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:09:41 PM EDT
What week?


Give up the reasons.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:22:45 PM EDT
Your lucky, "Needs of the Army" could have landed you a real shitty MOS and trust me there are worse MOS's.

Well, it might have been for the best. You will get to know how it is to be enlisted and see how things run. After a few years, I think you will do much better at OCS if that is still your goal.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:25:54 PM EDT
I think it would be better to be a Mustang anyway.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:28:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:30:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2005 6:42:35 PM EDT by Boom_Stick]
I was signing up for 15U yesterday but the computer rejected me for eyesight. My eyes are a little out of round (astigmatism) just to work on helos. WTF?!

Sorry to hear you didn't make it. You'll do better next time.

Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:40:43 PM EDT
good luck man!
i'm a cadet at nc state, will be commissioning may 13th or so. they don't give us what branch we get until nov/dec though. i know a guy thats a helo mechanic, likes his job a lot
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:42:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
The bastards would only let me put air in the tires of the tanks.



Uh... tanks don't have tires.....
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:46:07 PM EDT
Good luck with wherever you end up.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:46:48 PM EDT
Sorry to hear that.

Good luck with enlistment.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:47:56 PM EDT
Could be worse. You could have ended up as a 12B. Just kidding, I loved being a Combat Construction Specialist.


12B - 1986-1992
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:49:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
For various reasons...

I'm going enlisted now, with the intent to take another shot at a commission in a few years when I have some actual experience in the Army....

I've got orders for AIT, MOS 15G (Aircraft Structural Repair), which while not my first choice (That was 19K - I was going to be an Armor officer had I graduated, and would have liked to have my enlisted time in Armor for the above mentioned 2nd go around)

Oh well, there are worse things I could have gotten, and I do have a decent interest in aviation...

So I guess I'll be learning to fix helicopters....

Still wish I'd have gotten to be a tanker...




Go sweep the latrine, private.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:50:10 PM EDT
Good luck man, whereever you may end up.



Currently enlisted in the Iowa ANG. Going to BMT on Nov 14th, then to Keesler for tech school for about 6 months.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:50:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NimmerMehr:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
The bastards would only let me put air in the tires of the tanks.



Uh... tanks don't have tires.....



Theres a sucker born every second.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:51:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
For various reasons...

I'm going enlisted now, with the intent to take another shot at a commission in a few years when I have some actual experience in the Army....

I've got orders for AIT, MOS 15G (Aircraft Structural Repair), which while not my first choice (That was 19K - I was going to be an Armor officer had I graduated, and would have liked to have my enlisted time in Armor for the above mentioned 2nd go around)

Oh well, there are worse things I could have gotten, and I do have a decent interest in aviation...

So I guess I'll be learning to fix helicopters....

Still wish I'd have gotten to be a tanker...



Dave:
I taught at OCS for a while - not graduating is no indication of your character or potential. Shit happens. I saw a lot of young folks not make it for so many various reasons. You may try again in ROTC, or in a state OCS. Failing is tough. You are obviously taking it strong. Move out and draw fire.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:55:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FordGuy:



Dave:
I taught at OCS for a while - not graduating is no indication of your character or potential. Shit happens. I saw a lot of young folks not make it for so many various reasons. You may try again in ROTC, or in a state OCS. Failing is tough. You are obviously taking it strong. Move out and draw fire.



What's the usual reasons for failing?
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 7:10:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NimmerMehr:

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
The bastards would only let me put air in the tires of the tanks.



Uh... tanks don't have tires.....



Silly n00b He's foolin on ya.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 7:52:36 PM EDT
You're still serving our country and I admire and respect you for that. Thank you for your dedication, sacrafice, and service..

Link Posted: 10/4/2005 7:56:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2005 7:57:15 PM EDT by colesteele]
Do me a favor and see if you can get me a roll of flight line please. I would also like an ID 10T on a ST Ring.

ETA- I forgot, my compass is running low on bubble water too.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 7:58:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2005 7:59:41 PM EDT by Mr45auto]
There's a great many officers that are nothing more than over inflated asshats. Enlisted to officer generally garners more respect from the troops.

This is not to say there arent a number of well respected officers who were not prior enlisted.


There is no dishonor in enlisting first. You will be better for the experience.
Good luck.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 8:03:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By colesteele:
Do me a favor and see if you can get me a roll of flight line please. I would also like an ID 10T on a ST Ring.

ETA- I forgot, my compass is running low on bubble water too.



Hey Private, go ask Top for a box of grid squares.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 8:15:45 PM EDT
Ft. Knox or Ft. Lewis? It certainly couldn't have been the physical part-because I thought it was a joke at both places. Going through Camp Tontozona with Frank Kush was 10X harder than Army OCS! I didn't think I would make it out of there alive!!

I say bullshit-go back to your ROTC unit and pull your balls out of your throat and request to go again. And whatever it is you sucked at, get off your ass and and use this time to get better at it!! Lose the defeatist attitude and lift your head up. Your going enlisted is a cop-out because you are feeling guilty.

If you have a dream, and you obviously do, then go after it, or you will hate yourself later. Hell-you already have or are close to having a college degree-and that's half the battle!



Link Posted: 10/4/2005 8:21:26 PM EDT
Typically 15U/15T MOS's are flight slots as crew members, unless you wind up in an AVIM unit (mostly schedualed/phase maintenance)
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 8:32:41 PM EDT
The best officers I ever worked for were all prior enlisted.

A good buddy of mine, came from 3rd ID (Old Guard - think Honor Guard at the Tomb) was an E3 when I met him, got E5 in no time, was the most squared away E3 I ever saw. His father was an LTG and insisted my buddy do 5 years as enlisted before going through OCS. Got to have dinner with both of them, in uniform. Got picked up in a staff car in front of my CO and XO. It was so cool. He will be a kick ass officer.

I knew an O3 with 17 years in service. He was an E7 before switching to the dark side. He was a hell of a guy and I respected him dearly.

Go spend some time doing the work then go back to OCS and show them how it's done right.

Good luck. Former 11b. I gotta go get a box of squelch and some high speed missile wax......
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 8:57:35 PM EDT
Can I assume from some of the comments here that federal OCS does not require you to have been enlisted prior to going to OCS?

Can I thus assume that there are different types of OCS for active duty troops depending on if they were prior enlisted or not?

NTM
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 9:00:23 PM EDT
what the heck is 'federal OCS"?
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:24:36 AM EDT
OCS programe for federal (active duty) troops. Ft Benning, no? I went to State OCS as a Guardsman. (There are several regional centers: in my case, Ft Meade, S. Dakota with a few weeks in Ft Lewis, WA).

Or is 09S (Officer Candidate) something you can do for Benning? (i.e. Basic Training, then instead of AIT go straight to OCS)

NTM
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:31:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
what the heck is 'federal OCS"?



You got fed and state, state is for a state commission in the national guard.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:32:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
what the heck is 'federal OCS"?



You got fed and state, state is for a state commission in the national guard.



Just weird seeing the word 'Federal" infront of it.

Semper Fi!
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:33:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
I appreciate your service to the country--whatever it may be.

The bastards would only let me put air in the tires of the tanks.



The road wheels don't need air
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:45:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

Originally Posted By colesteele:
Do me a favor and see if you can get me a roll of flight line please. I would also like an ID 10T on a ST Ring.

ETA- I forgot, my compass is running low on bubble water too.



Hey Private, go ask Top for a box of grid squares.


don't forget the chemlite batteries! everything runs on those nowadays...
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 2:54:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dskeet:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
For various reasons...

I'm going enlisted now, with the intent to take another shot at a commission in a few years when I have some actual experience in the Army....

I've got orders for AIT, MOS 15G (Aircraft Structural Repair), which while not my first choice (That was 19K - I was going to be an Armor officer had I graduated, and would have liked to have my enlisted time in Armor for the above mentioned 2nd go around)

Oh well, there are worse things I could have gotten, and I do have a decent interest in aviation...

So I guess I'll be learning to fix helicopters....

Still wish I'd have gotten to be a tanker...




Go sweep the latrine, private.



Specialist, actually (insert sham jokes here...)

Link Posted: 10/5/2005 2:58:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 3:17:14 PM EDT by Spade]

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

I'm going enlisted now, with the intent to take another shot at a commission in a few years when I have some actual experience in the Army....

I've got orders for AIT, MOS 15G (Aircraft Structural Repair), which while not my first choice (That was 19K - I was going to be an Armor officer had I graduated, and would have liked to have my enlisted time in Armor for the above mentioned 2nd go around)

Still wish I'd have gotten to be a tanker...




I don't know if you can do this, the service guys will hopefully comment:

But if you go to learn how to fix choppers, could you then apply to go fly them and be a WO?

Seems like that would be a plus to the Army, the prior experience on choppers.


ETA: Or you could just discover that your Sgt hates you, use your knowledge of statistics to prove you're getting screwed over on assignments, keep a journal of everytime they violate any rule the Army has, and then email it to your entire chain of command from a LtCol on down. Then they might let you go tanks. Worked for a buddy of mine.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:09:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911greg:

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
what the heck is 'federal OCS"?



You got fed and state, state is for a state commission in the national guard.



State commissioning sources are federally recognized commissions.

OCS sucks, no bones about it. Good luck with your new career and never give up your dreams.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:11:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
Can I assume from some of the comments here that federal OCS does not require you to have been enlisted prior to going to OCS?

Can I thus assume that there are different types of OCS for active duty troops depending on if they were prior enlisted or not?

NTM



Federal OCS is branch-immaterial now... Used to be branch specific prior to the 70s (eg Benning was 'Infantry OCS', Sill was 'Arty OCS', and most of the support branches didn't have OCS open to them)...

Yes, you can enter as a 'College Op', which means that you go to basic, and then OCS instead of AIT. If you don't make it, weather for medical, PT, or other reasons, you go 'Needs of the Army' - you put down a list of 5 MOSes from a list they give you... They 'encourage' you to only pick from a 'top 25' priority list, which I kind of ignored (since that would have forced me to put down an 11, 92, or 88 series MOS, none of which I wanted)... I filled in my last 2 with aviation specialties, and apparently the Army needs helo mechanics more than tankers...

Oh well, I'll take advantage of this, try and get what I can from the FAA with my Army training (A&P ticket)... And I'll be back to OCS in a few years, with some more experience...
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:13:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
what the heck is 'federal OCS"?



14 week US Army OCS, as opposed to 1 weekend a month, 2 weeks a year state guard OCS...
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:16:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pieceofstink:
Ft. Knox or Ft. Lewis? It certainly couldn't have been the physical part-because I thought it was a joke at both places. Going through Camp Tontozona with Frank Kush was 10X harder than Army OCS! I didn't think I would make it out of there alive!!

I say bullshit-go back to your ROTC unit and pull your balls out of your throat and request to go again. And whatever it is you sucked at, get off your ass and and use this time to get better at it!! Lose the defeatist attitude and lift your head up. Your going enlisted is a cop-out because you are feeling guilty.

If you have a dream, and you obviously do, then go after it, or you will hate yourself later. Hell-you already have or are close to having a college degree-and that's half the battle!






OCS is Ft Benning...

I wasn't ROTC - ROTC does not go to OCS *ever*.

I enlisted for OCS (Civvie -> BCT -> OCS), and if you don't graduate, they cut orders for AIT & you're back to being an E-4.... You;'re allowed to come back, but I'm going to wait a while...
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:17:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 3:19:08 PM EDT by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
OCS programe for federal (active duty) troops. Ft Benning, no? Yep 3rd Bn, 11th IN I went to State OCS as a Guardsman. (There are several regional centers: in my case, Ft Meade, S. Dakota with a few weeks in Ft Lewis, WA). So you did Phase III at Benning, right?

Or is 09S (Officer Candidate) something you can do for Benning? (i.e. Basic Training, then instead of AIT go straight to OCS)

NTM



BINGO!

Yeah, I'm active duty -> I intend to be career Army...
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:32:59 PM EDT

Don’t sweat it. It was just a school. Some of the most gungho kickass soldiers out there have failed a school or two.

Going enlisted first is the best route to becoming a well rounded soldier and officer, so you are right on track where you should be. It also gives you a chance to experience the fun of enlisted military life. The next few years will be more fun enlisted than as an officer. There is so much fun the officers miss out on.

I think you have until age 30 to become of officer. If you don’t have a Bachelors degree yet it will be better to go to college fulltime in the ROTC than go to OCS and try to pick up a degree while serving.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:39:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Robert2011:
Don’t sweat it. It was just a school. Some of the most gungho kickass soldiers out there have failed a school or two.

Going enlisted first is the best route to becoming a well rounded soldier and officer, so you are right on track where you should be. It also gives you a chance to experience the fun of enlisted military life. The next few years will be more fun enlisted than as an officer. There is so much fun the officers miss out on.

I think you have until age 30 to become of officer. If you don’t have a Bachelors degree yet it will be better to go to college fulltime in the ROTC than go to OCS and try to pick up a degree while serving.



Got the degree... That's the debate, though -> back to OCS, or start the masters & do the cadet thing...
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:40:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
Can I assume from some of the comments here that federal OCS does not require you to have been enlisted prior to going to OCS?

Can I thus assume that there are different types of OCS for active duty troops depending on if they were prior enlisted or not?

NTM



Federal OCS is branch-immaterial now... Used to be branch specific prior to the 70s (eg Benning was 'Infantry OCS', Sill was 'Arty OCS', and most of the support branches didn't have OCS open to them)...

Yes, you can enter as a 'College Op', which means that you go to basic, and then OCS instead of AIT. If you don't make it, weather for medical, PT, or other reasons, you go 'Needs of the Army' - you put down a list of 5 MOSes from a list they give you... They 'encourage' you to only pick from a 'top 25' priority list, which I kind of ignored (since that would have forced me to put down an 11, 92, or 88 series MOS, none of which I wanted)... I filled in my last 2 with aviation specialties, and apparently the Army needs helo mechanics more than tankers...

Oh well, I'll take advantage of this, try and get what I can from the FAA with my Army training (A&P ticket)... And I'll be back to OCS in a few years, with some more experience...



You may want to look at Warrant Officer also, MOS 151A - Aviation Maintenance Technician would a nice transition from 15G.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 3:55:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
Can I assume from some of the comments here that federal OCS does not require you to have been enlisted prior to going to OCS?

Can I thus assume that there are different types of OCS for active duty troops depending on if they were prior enlisted or not?

NTM



Federal OCS is branch-immaterial now... Used to be branch specific prior to the 70s (eg Benning was 'Infantry OCS', Sill was 'Arty OCS', and most of the support branches didn't have OCS open to them)...

Yes, you can enter as a 'College Op', which means that you go to basic, and then OCS instead of AIT. If you don't make it, weather for medical, PT, or other reasons, you go 'Needs of the Army' - you put down a list of 5 MOSes from a list they give you... They 'encourage' you to only pick from a 'top 25' priority list, which I kind of ignored (since that would have forced me to put down an 11, 92, or 88 series MOS, none of which I wanted)... I filled in my last 2 with aviation specialties, and apparently the Army needs helo mechanics more than tankers...

Oh well, I'll take advantage of this, try and get what I can from the FAA with my Army training (A&P ticket)... And I'll be back to OCS in a few years, with some more experience...



You may want to look at Warrant Officer also, MOS 151A - Aviation Maintenance Technician would a nice transition from 15G.



I've still got 19A on the brain...

Now, if some miracle cure for bad depth perception (or the discovery that the Navy screwed up, or a wavier) allowed me to fly, then I'd stay aviation, possibly...

Link Posted: 10/5/2005 4:04:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 4:11:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:
There is no dishonor in enlisting first. You will be better for the experience.
Good luck.


What he said.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 4:36:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Got the degree... That's the debate, though -> back to OCS, or start the masters & do the cadet thing...



Unless there has been a change, I don't think you can get into ROTC if you already have a 4 year degree. Maybe with a waiver though.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 5:18:42 PM EDT
Would you be eligible to fly helos?
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 5:23:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Robert2011:

I think you have until age 30 to become of officer.



I think it's up to 34 now.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 5:34:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blueheeler66:
Would you be eligible to fly helos?



He could always put in a WOFT packet.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 5:35:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bklyn_Irish:

Originally Posted By Robert2011:

I think you have until age 30 to become of officer.



I think it's up to 34 now.



Up to, but not including the 40th birthday in the NG. I was 35 when I was commissioned. Now I am a 37 year old PL, LOL. I prefer to call myself well seasoned. It is never too late.
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 5:42:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
14 week US Army OCS, as opposed to 1 weekend a month, 2 weeks a year state guard OCS...



My State OCS was two 3-day drills, a 4-day drill (Which cut our numbers from 170 to 85 or so), two more three-day drills, then 6 weeks in Ft Meade, South Dakota, flying immediately to Ft Lewis, WA for phase III (Two weeks), and then immediately after, a final week in Camp SLO in California. 11 weeks total. Not too 'lite'.

And I did it the easy way. The few monthly drills I did were more than enough to realise that anyone who had any choice in the matter did -not- want to do the one-weekend-a-month method. The weekends tend to be rather unpleasant: Once you're in a resident Army course, you just need to put yourself on autopilot and you'll get through it. It's absolutely horrible to spend your 'civilian' time thinking "Oh god. I've got another OCS weekend coming up. Why am I putting myself through this?" with this little voice saying "Quit. It's not worth what it's doing to you"

NTM
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 11:38:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pieceofstink:
Ft. Knox or Ft. Lewis? It certainly couldn't have been the physical part-because I thought it was a joke at both places. Going through Camp Tontozona with Frank Kush was 10X harder than Army OCS! I didn't think I would make it out of there alive!!

I say bullshit-go back to your ROTC unit and pull your balls out of your throat and request to go again. And whatever it is you sucked at, get off your ass and and use this time to get better at it!! Lose the defeatist attitude and lift your head up. Your going enlisted is a cop-out because you are feeling guilty.

If you have a dream, and you obviously do, then go after it, or you will hate yourself later. Hell-you already have or are close to having a college degree-and that's half the battle!



You went to OCS? When?

What does ROTC have to do with OCS?

I smell a rat.

OCS, FWIW, is at Ft. Benning, and has been for some time. There are National Guard programs as well, but I'm pretty sure all go throgh Benning for at least part of it.

Besides, anyone who has been through a few Army schools would know that rarely is it the "physical part" that fails people. Injuries and other bullshit are the main thing. Sometimes you can just piss the wrong person off.



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