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SC, USA
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I started this yesterday, and still think I deserve more than a “SSSsshhhhhhhh, go away” response.
Here we have a site moderator, openly, without apology, violating the Code of Conduct launching personal attacks at me for several months, calling me anti-Semite, Jew hater, Nazi sympathizer, terrorist sympathizer, and associating me with Arafat, bin Laden and Hitler, even going so low as to say I’m hoping for another Sept 11 attack (equating me with the Arabs who danced in the streets. What could be a GREATER personal attack on my patriotism??)
And there is NO ONE on this site with the courage to call him on the carpet for it?? Does no one have the cahones to stand up against such an obvious violation of the Code of Conduct???? The staff turns a blind eye? NO other Mods have seen this? ( I don’t see how that’s possible since I’ve seen several mods in the same threads when he has attacked me.) And NO members (regardless of whether or not you agree with my points of view) find his behavior objectionable? (Walk a mile in my shoes…)
Why is everyone ignoring the huge pink elephant in the middle of the room??
What kind of site is this???
What has happened here in the last six months???
(Note to staff and Mods – PLEASE do not lock this thread if SOMEONE ELSE comes in here with a tirade of inflammatory words. Punish THEM – NOT me by locking MY thread (yet again) )
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Posted: 5/23/2002 4:43:55 AM EDT
Name that moderator
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 4:47:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/23/2002 5:30:43 AM EDT by TheFNG]
Ok... sorry
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CAN
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Posted: 5/23/2002 4:54:58 AM EDT
SSSsshhhhhhhh go away!!!!
No really.....I love you man!!
Stay....take a load off...
Get a grip.
What size shoe do you wear???
Oh from personal recent experience.....this is a GREAT SITE!!
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 4:56:09 AM EDT
Wave -
Fair question. You have mail.
TheFNG -
Don't hijack my thread for a broadbased Mod bashing tirade. I'm talking about the specific actions of a single individual. Start your own thread if you like, but this one's mine.
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USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 4:59:44 AM EDT
G-man, you'd have a stronger case if you were to quote or link to the messages that have offended you.
Re(IfItDoesn'tFit,YouMustAcquit!)named [}:)]
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:07:29 AM EDT
Gman, I'm with Renamed.
I guess I missed the whole thing, can you fill us in with a link?
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:09:39 AM EDT
garandman, I hang out in the handguns forum, but have seen you here for years. I don't know any of the story, but if anyone can get to the bottom of it, its Wave. Maybe come visit us till this is settled? A lot of nice folks there to BS with...just a thought. [:)]
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:11:24 AM EDT
Good Morning to all !!
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:12:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Waverunner:
Name that moderator |
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:22:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By lurker:
Originally Posted By Waverunner:
Name that moderator |
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:29:43 AM EDT
What the hell are you talking about? Has the bickering over Israel [I don't read those-booooooring] exploded into tattling?
If you have a beef with someone that upset yo this much, this looks like the third thread you have started about this, why don't you either -email or call Mr. Pink Elephant and see if you can settle your differences without getting anyone else involved.
I don't know what you are talking about, so I could be wrong, but I would guess you were giving as well as you got.
If you are that pissed e-mail the Avilas. Maybe you can get him shitcanned as a moderator and really hurt his feelings over bickering on the internet. I think you ought to take a few days off from this and calm down, is it possible you are losing your perspective over this?
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:31:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Renamed:
G-man, you'd have a stronger case if you were to quote or link to the messages that have offended you.
Re(IfItDoesn'tFit,YouMustAcquit!)named [}:)] |
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:33:10 AM EDT
How about taking this to e-mail before another one gets locked? I'm not taking sides here, I just believe it's best this be discussed privately.
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:33:15 AM EDT
Nobody likes a tattle-tale.
(...at least that's what I tell the 3rd graders, I teach)
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CAN
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:40:31 AM EDT
Sniff......
Can't............
Sniff........
Can't we.....all ....(sniff,sniff) just get along???
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:42:39 AM EDT
OK, so you don't like my approach. But my hand has been forced.
here's how I explained it to "someone else"...
I have tried EVERYTHING with Eric. Pleading, begging cajoling, agreeing - NOTHING reaches the guy. He's right, and he knows it, end of discussion. I've had private discussions with him, to no avail.
Eric committed the offense in the open, for all to see. I think it should be resolved the same way. ESPECIALLY since he's a Mod, and his actions set the tone for the WHOLE BOARD. If his actions are in the wrong, they need to be openly castigated by the Staff (or SOMEONE.) My opinion. (especially since the man-to-man efforts have been rebuffed by him) |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:55:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:
If you have a beef with someone that upset yo this much, this looks like the third thread you have started about this, why don't you either -email or call Mr. Pink Elephant and see if you can settle your differences without getting anyone else involved.
If you are that pissed e-mail the Avilas. Maybe you can get him shitcanned as a moderator and really hurt his feelings over bickering on the internet. I think you ought to take a few days off from this and calm down, is it possible you are losing your perspective over this? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 5:58:10 AM EDT
Gmna, you really are starting to sound like a baby. Grow up, life aint fair. You should know all about this since you used to be a Mod.
Sgtar15
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USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:03:58 AM EDT
Mark,
Poke a hornet's nest, you're gonna get stung a few times... I doubt the hornet makes it *personal* though.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:03:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Gmna, you really are starting to sound like a baby. Grow up, life aint fair. You should know all about this since you used to be a Mod.
Sgtar15 |
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:06:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman:
Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Gmna, you really are starting to sound like a baby. Grow up, life aint fair. You should know all about this since you used to be a Mod.
Sgtar15 |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:07:34 AM EDT
I declare Thursday April 23, 2002 "Pick on Garandman Day". In honor of this day everyone shall relentlessly hurl insults at Garandman.
Shok
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:07:55 AM EDT
Take some advice from your Bible and turn the other cheek.
Let it go.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:08:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott:
Mark,
Poke a hornet's nest, you're gonna get stung a few times... . |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:11:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/23/2002 6:12:57 AM EDT by AR_Lvr]
GMan
I don't know you but I have read many posts and you usually seem to give good info but in a very smartass way. That's not right either. Even in a few of the posts I've had, you've been pretty snide in the way you answer.
Sounds to me you dish this shit out pretty frequently and now that someone has done it to you, you scream wolf. Seems a little thin skinned to me.
I'm not trying to start shit with you and I certainly side with neither you or Eric. You both have value and both have very opinionated sides that you come from.
One thing some of us forget in America is that you can be an asshole to anyone you want but you better expect it to come back to you also. If you don't agree with his posts and he doesn't agree with yours, don't go in there anymore.
Just my opinion.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:12:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman:
Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Gmna, you really are starting to sound like a baby. Grow up, life aint fair. You should know all about this since you used to be a Mod.
Sgtar15 |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:12:58 AM EDT
I stay out of these threads - although I do read many of them.
I know that you both feel very strongly about your viewpoints, and I have seen both of you cross the line (and we all know our "lines" bend from time to time).
It is long past time that the two of you should just have "agreed to disagree" and let the issue rest. Even when someone else brings up a topic about Israel, you guys both jump in and go to town. Sincerely, I have a lot of respect for both of you guys - and both you should know when to let it rest.
Free to debate issues? Of course! But when the thread goes south, neither if you will walk away.
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:12:59 AM EDT
Frankly, I don't have a problem with Eric saying what he did...I do have a problem with anyone criticizing you for responding to him in kind. You have every right to fire back at him in the same style.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:23:43 AM EDT
This is interesting to say the least...
[*] When [u]I[/u] was a MOD, everyone hated me ([i]many still do![/i]).[/*]
[*] When [u]you[/u] were a MOD, everyone hated you.[/*]
[*] Now that [u]ETH[/u] is a MOD, you seem to hate him...[/*]
Hate him all want, as it's part of the job that he accepted... but quit bitching, because you didn't like being called out either!
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:26:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR_Lvr:
GMan
I don't know you but I have read many posts and you usually seem to give good info but in a very smartass way. That's not right either. Even in a few of the posts I've had, you've been pretty snide in the way you answer.
Just my opinion. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:27:02 AM EDT
it doesn't matter. both of you are insatiable windbags.
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:29:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/23/2002 6:30:14 AM EDT by Aimless]
How about a duel?
You each get one 5 shot group off hand at 100 yards with an AR15, loser can't post or respond to anything about Israel, arabs, palestinians or jews for 1 year [:D]
Edited to add-I meant for the smallest group on a target, not at each other...
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USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:29:50 AM EDT
In looking through the most recent Israel thread I can find in which Garandman and EricTheHun both participated ([url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=116367&page=2[/url]), both parties seem to have been quite civil.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:35:05 AM EDT
Aimless,
A duel won't do any good, cuz ETH thinks he can out run bullets now. Although he changed the scenario to make me look wrong when I called him on it.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:43:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By antiUSSA:
This is interesting to say the least...
[*] When [u]I[/u] was a MOD, everyone hated me ([i]many still do![/i]).[/*]
[*] When [u]you[/u] were a MOD, everyone hated you.[/*]
[*] Now that [u]ETH[/u] is a MOD, you seem to hate him...[/*]
Hate him all want, as it's part of the job that he accepted... but quit bitching, because you didn't like being called out either!
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:47:03 AM EDT
Gman, it has happened to me. I have been insulted by Mods, I'v e had threads locked and deleted. To be honest I am surprised I haven't had my account locked yet. The differance is I know who's house I am visiting....their house their rules, even if I disagree with them or think they are unfair.
Just the way it is.
Sgtar15
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CAN
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:47:53 AM EDT
Are both you guys going to the BRC???
If so perhaps that would be a far better place to sort all this out?
Kick back have a drink or two and kiss and make up!!!
( ps.....I sure hope somebody gets the kiss on film!!!)
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:48:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:
How about a duel?
You each get one 5 shot group off hand at 100 yards with an AR15, loser can't post or respond to anything about Israel, arabs, palestinians or jews for 1 year [:D]
Edited to add-I meant for the smallest group on a target, not at each other... |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:48:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:
How about a duel?
You each get one 5 shot group off hand at 100 yards with an AR15, loser can't post or respond to anything about Israel, arabs, palestinians or jews for 1 year [:D]
Edited to add-I meant for the smallest group on a target, not at each other... |
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:54:04 AM EDT
I think what would be better at the BRC would be to do up a couple of the karate belt "knives" and have a knife fight instead of the shootoff. Now that would be fun to have on videotape.
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KS, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 6:59:00 AM EDT
[/quote]
YES, I HAVE been "snide" in my replies. I'll NEVER deny that.
Is that justification for someone to come back with personal attacks and insults to my charachter, in violation of the Board Code of Conduct??
[/quote]
No, it is not justified. I was always taught to criticize ideas and not people. If you have to point out charachter issues, than it becomes a fine line often gone over. These issues do however bring up way too much emotion and that's when things become cloudy and people do things out of the norm.
As I said, you both provide good input in your own ways. You both like to make things personal too. Get over it.
I've gotten sick of people treating people rude and disrespectful for all sorts of reasons. In turn it makes me not want to do things with many poeple. My choice and it seems to work. I aslo usually don't respond to these as it just doesn't matter in the grand scheme.
If you feel wronged, say it and be done with it. You have. If you still feel wronged and you can't see the other person admitting the wrong doing, let it go and move on.
You sound proud to be snide and rude. This might be where some of your issues exist. If we are truly all bros, you wouldn't do that to anyone. Hell, I'never met you and you seemed to feel justified to be an ass to me. Is that right?
I'm a biker too and if my bros were rude to me, they wouldn't be my bros much longer. I'd drop em as a friend quicker than stink on shit. I've just got no time for that shit.
I'll treat anyone proper until they crap on me. Fuck 'em after that.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 7:00:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Gman, it has happened to me. I have been insulted by Mods, I'v e had threads locked and deleted. The differance is I know who's house I am visiting....their house their rules, even if I disagree with them or think they are unfair.
Just the way it is.
Sgtar15 |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 7:06:52 AM EDT
Dear Garandman,
It is truly a shame when opposing viewpoints on a political issue can be silenced by name-calling and character assassination from a Mod.
It obviously implies a certain "political stance" taken by the board owners, if you get my drift, as otherwise, it would be shut down promptly.
The rules against personal attacks and slander should apply equally to all, or else Mods should not be allowed to enter these discussions at all, IMO.
In fact, on some boards, the acceptance of a Mod position disqualifies one from heated political discussion.
I know exactly what you speak of, and have witnessed the character assassination of many here who dare to disagree with the mainstream, even if they do so politely at first. They are baited and attacked and called names until they lose patience, and get banned.
Debate and dissent are fine, but personal attacks as a means to winning an argument by one who has a position of power are mean spirited and childish. The arsch-kissing minions of these Mods are as disgusting as the originals, and they don't even have anything intelligent to add, usually. It is a purely "Me Too" kind of thing.
Just consider the source.
Feel better, friend, you too are a valuable resource to this board, and you are far from a "One Trick Pony", like some here.
You and I have disagreed before on some philosophical issues, but you have never crossed any line in our somewhat lively debates.
I respect your courage and intelligence, sir.
Don't let the bastards and their minions get you down.
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Posted: 5/23/2002 7:08:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman:
(Note to staff and Mods – PLEASE do not lock this thread if SOMEONE ELSE comes in here with a tirade of inflammatory words. Punish THEM – NOT me by locking MY thread (yet again) )
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Posted: 5/23/2002 7:09:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman:
Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Gman, it has happened to me. I have been insulted by Mods, I'v e had threads locked and deleted. The differance is I know who's house I am visiting....their house their rules, even if I disagree with them or think they are unfair.
Just the way it is.
Sgtar15 |
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Posted: 5/23/2002 7:10:42 AM EDT
Against my better judgement, and this pains me to say--G-Man, you [b]know[/b] (I hope!) I am a huge fan of yours. Ditto with ETH. I have no dog in this fight cuz I love both dogs. I perhaps should not say this publicly, but you have chosen to repeatedly go public, soooo--I have purposely avoided threads where you were posting for the last three months or so. I don't know what's going on with you, but you seem to only want to argue--with [u]anyone[/u], not just ETH. The topic doesn't even matter--just argue, Israel, whatever, just argue. I have no clue why that would be. It is just my observation, obviously subjective, no, I'm not going to take the time to research examples. This comes from the heart, so please just accept it as such.
Now, on to the ETH thing. I have been attacked by two individuals on this Board. Both times with absolutely no provocation, or prior dealings with them. Subsequently, I merely ignore them--I do not respond to their posts and I do not respond if they reference me. It works. You and ETH should be able to not take this crap so seriously and antagonize each other. Be a man, and be a gentleman. You do dish it out. This thread sounds very much as though you lost the last round and now want to whine. Sorry, man, but that's how it sounds, as stated by several others. "If you're gonna run with the big dogs you gotta lift your leg a little higher." I would not stoop to violating Board Code of Conduct, just ignore it, and perhaps move to another thread if someone else does. It just isn't worth it. No use taking internet stuff so seriously. [:)]
Lastly, I hope you will reconsider and attend the BRC. You are one of the best Members here, and one that I was (am?) most looking forward to meeting. Your opinions, insight and forthright manner are great here, so please reconsider. [b]Don't make me come down there!![/b]
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 7:14:15 AM EDT
G-man, I gotta say I think some of what you are saying has validity. You and Eric do go at it hammer and tong oftentimes. I have seen threads in which you were charactorized as being sympathatic to terrorists. I have also seen Erics loyalty as an American called into question. You have both presented good arguements for your positions, and, frankly, I think these threads have got some readers thinking about their own positions on the issue, not only with Isreal and the "Palestineans", but US foreign aid and intervention in general. As is often the case, sometimes ones charactor is called into question in an arguement such as this. It's human nature. Myself, I've found your exchanges to at times be educational, and always entertaining! You both may have gripes with what the other does sometimes in regard to personal attacks. It happens in the heat of passion. Accept it, or let it pass by.....
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Posted: 5/23/2002 7:59:48 AM EDT
RAF,
Please let this thread run it's course, maybe it will get laid to rest here.
dave
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Posted: 5/23/2002 8:02:35 AM EDT
From yesterday:
Originally Posted By Kevin:
Originally Posted By raf:
Garandman, I can't be everywhere, nor can I read every thread and post therein. If you were roughly treated in some threads and I failed to see it and lock the thread, my bad. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2002 8:23:38 AM EDT
1st annual BRC cole-slaw wrestling championship
Gman vs ETH
Settle it this way?
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