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Posted: 9/9/2005 9:13:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 9:18:04 AM EDT by NAKED-GUNMAN]
From his duties for the Katrina relief..I hope they fire him after this over.

Just heard it on the radio. No link yet.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:14:52 AM EDT
"Bush Caves"
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:16:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
"Bush Caves"



Not really..the guy is'nt qualified, plain and simple. If he's not doing the job, find someone who will.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:18:13 AM EDT
Better an unqualified incompetent than some innocent scapegoat.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:18:37 AM EDT
Not a Bush cave. This guy was a unqualified political appointee who was in over his head.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:19:54 AM EDT
Can you say "SCAPEGOAT"?






The NOLA Mayor and the LA Governor should be hung.


CMOS
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:20:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NAKED-GUNMAN:

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
"Bush Caves"



Not really..the guy is'nt qualified, plain and simple. If he's not doing the job, find someone who will.




That will be the headlines. That will be the feeling in DC


The sharks will smell the blood in the water.


Bush: 0

Pelosi: 1
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:21:51 AM EDT
Can you say "SCAPEGOAT"?

The NOLA Mayor and the LA Governor should be hung.


CMOS




Too bad the President can't.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:22:16 AM EDT
Coast Guard Vice admiral Thad Allen to replace brown.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:22:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CMOS:
Can you say "SCAPEGOAT"?






The NOLA Mayor and the LA Governor should be hung.


CMOS



Yup. The Man handled several previous hurricanes and wildfires and shuttle accidents but now hes not qualified. I thought Bush wasn't a thow 'em to the wolves type of guy. He Just moved down a notch in my eyes.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:23:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CMOS:
Can you say "SCAPEGOAT"?






The NOLA Mayor and the LA Governor should be hung.


CMOS




Was thinking the same thing...Hmmm...Perhaps he and Ollie North can get together for Golf sometime...
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:26:38 AM EDT
Brown's resume appears to be seriously embellished - if so, he should be fired on principle, competent or not. Since he also appears to be incompetent, fire him for cause, also.

Unfortunately, easy targets such as this add kindling to the fire of critism from the Pelosi's, Kennedy's, Feinstein's and so on. You not only must avoid impropriety and crime in these high profile jobs, you must avoid the slightest appearance of impropriety, and this applies to every single government employee, and ought to apply to the politicians if we had enough sense to boot them to the streets.

Let alone the need for competent employees in at least a few Federal jobs.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:27:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Grunteled:

Originally Posted By CMOS:
Can you say "SCAPEGOAT"?






The NOLA Mayor and the LA Governor should be hung.


CMOS



Yup. The Man handled several previous hurricanes and wildfires and shuttle accidents but now hes not qualified. I thought Bush wasn't a thow 'em to the wolves type of guy. He Just moved down a notch in my eyes.



Yep... he handled the FL hurricanes last year... but then he was dealing with local and state officials smarter than a pumpkin.

I suspect Brown did as well as anyone could have and is just being thrown to the wolves.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:27:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dukota:
Coast Guard Vice admiral Thad Allen to replace brown.



And about time too...
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:28:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 9:29:18 AM EDT by BravoCompanyUSA]
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:28:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CMOS:
Can you say "SCAPEGOAT"?






The NOLA Mayor and the LA Governor should be hung.


CMOS



AMEN! The director did his job, the only thing he failed at was identifying incompetent mayors and governors that caused a needless loss of life before it was to late.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:47:18 AM EDT
May not be much in this.

Was Brown really relived?

Brown is still in charge of FEMA going back to Washington.

The Vice Admiral who was acting as his deputy directing hurricane relief is now in direct charge.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:51:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By memyselfandi:

Originally Posted By CMOS:
Can you say "SCAPEGOAT"?



The NOLA Mayor and the LA Governor should be hung.

CMOS



AMEN! The director did his job, the only thing he failed at was identifying incompetent mayors and governors that caused a needless loss of life before it was to late.


Unlike the mayor NOLA and the Gov of LA, he is a political appointee, and can be replaced at will. The mayor of NOLA and Gov of LA are pretty much fighting for their "political lives," why else would they want to confiscate guns. This is their last desparate gasp of political life. Typical of pattern of most desperate politicians.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:55:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 9:57:07 AM EDT
Already the press is starting to use different words in describing these events…

“Replaced” or “shifted” instead of “relived”.

Apparently the Admiral has been running things all week anyway.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:27:49 AM EDT
Bye Bye Brownie.

It's pathetic to see you all defending this incompetant ass who couldn't manage the clean up on aisle 3 at Walmart much less the worst natural disaster in US History.

You'd rather have a political cronie do the job than someone fit for the task.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:29:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 10:29:22 AM EDT by Schmeghead]

Originally Posted By uncle_frank:
Can you say "SCAPEGOAT"?

The NOLA Mayor and the LA Governor should be hung.

CMOS




Too bad the President can't.



Are you saying the President should be hung? WOW.....just wow.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:36:27 AM EDT
Brown isn't going anywhere yet. He's still in charge of FEMA and will be running FEMA from Washington just like always. This vice admiral has just been appointed to take charge of the hurricane relief mission on the ground.

I think some of you are reading FAR too much into this.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:37:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
Already the press is starting to use different words in describing these events…

“Replaced” or “shifted” instead of “relived”.

Apparently the Admiral has been running things all week anyway.



Funny how they do that. Gotta get the sensational headline out first though.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:40:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 2:46:43 PM EDT by Charging_Handle]

Originally Posted By Schmeghead:
Bye Bye Brownie.

It's pathetic to see you all defending this incompetant ass who couldn't manage the clean up on aisle 3 at Walmart much less the worst natural disaster in US History.

You'd rather have a political cronie do the job than someone fit for the task.



You're a _________ _________!!!!

If he is so incompetent, how did he manage to do an OUTSTANDING job last year during the 4 hurricanes that hit Florida? Huh?

I'm sorry, but I just somehow don't see how a man who did a great job handling a similar situation on numerous other occasions suddenly became "incompetent overnight.

You want to know what the difference is? In those cases last year in Florida, there was quality state and local officials (in other words they weren't socialist liberals) on the job who did what state and local officials were suppose to do. That wasn't the case in Louisiana and we see the results. FEMA was doing what it always did. The fact it worked before leads me to believe the problems all fall on the head of the local and state leaders in Louisiana.

Now put that in your troll pipe and smoke it.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:43:32 AM EDT
Actually he is being sent back to Washington, we're the ones who are relieved.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:46:59 AM EDT
I heard on the radio earlier that there are now questions as to whether or not he padded his resume
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:51:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 10:53:42 AM EDT by Schmeghead]

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:

Originally Posted By Schmeghead:
Bye Bye Brownie.

It's pathetic to see you all defending this incompetant ass who couldn't manage the clean up on aisle 3 at Walmart much less the worst natural disaster in US History.

You'd rather have a political cronie do the job than someone fit for the task.



You're a fucking retard.

If he is so incompetent, how did he manage to do an OUTSTANDING job last year during the 4 hurricanes that hit Florida? Huh?

I'm sorry, but I just somehow don't see how a man who did a great job handling a similar situation on numerous other occasions suddenly became "incompetent overnight.

You want to know what the difference is? In those cases last year in Florida, there was quality state and local officials (in other words they weren't socialist liberals) on the job who did what state and local officials were suppose to do. That wasn't the case in Louisiana and we see the results. FEMA was doing what it always did. The fact it worked before leads me to believe the problems all fall on the head of the local and state leaders in Louisiana.

Now put that in your troll pipe and smoke it.



Last time I checked, Miami wasn't completely destroyed by a hurricane like New Orleans was.

Louisiana is one of the poorest states in the Nation, their Governor doesnt have a direct line to the Oval Office like ole Jeb does.

Why was FEMA cutting checks like candy for hurricane relief in Florida and now they are being stingy?

FEMA isn't working this time and it shows. Just admit it, ok? Stop defending incompetance! If you are incompetant in your job, shouldn't you be fired too? If you're incompetance affects peoples lives like Mike Brown's incompetence affected lives, shouldn't you be fired?

Should you have a job or certain position just because you belong to a certain political party?

Why is Brown being replaced.....other than the typical knee jerk reply of SCAPEGOAT? Use your g-damn head and think for a change.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:52:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Brown isn't going anywhere yet. He's still in charge of FEMA and will be running FEMA from Washington just like always. This vice admiral has just been appointed to take charge of the hurricane relief mission on the ground.

I think some of you are reading FAR too much into this.



Running a disaster relief from 1000 miles away? And somehow you think this will IMPROVE things?

What is your fascination with Brownie? Are you in love with him or something?

I think you will lose whatever credibility you had when Brownie gets the AX.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:53:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Schmeghead:
Bye Bye Brownie.

It's pathetic to see you all defending this incompetant ass who couldn't manage the clean up on aisle 3 at Walmart much less the worst natural disaster in US History.

You'd rather have a political cronie do the job than someone fit for the task.



Who exactly is qualified to handle "The Biggest Disaster" in US history?? Especially when he did just fine with the three Florida Hurricanes last year??
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:58:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 10:58:20 AM EDT by Schmeghead]

Originally Posted By texasAR:

Originally Posted By Schmeghead:
Bye Bye Brownie.

It's pathetic to see you all defending this incompetant ass who couldn't manage the clean up on aisle 3 at Walmart much less the worst natural disaster in US History.

You'd rather have a political cronie do the job than someone fit for the task.



Who exactly is qualified to handle "The Biggest Disaster" in US history?? Especially when he did just fine with the three Florida Hurricanes last year??



Wow, you are all like a bunch of puppets!

Where's the "Blame Game" and "Finger-Pointing" thread where you are all towing the line?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 10:58:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 10:59:25 AM EDT by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By texasAR:

Originally Posted By Schmeghead:
Bye Bye Brownie.

It's pathetic to see you all defending this incompetant ass who couldn't manage the clean up on aisle 3 at Walmart much less the worst natural disaster in US History.

You'd rather have a political cronie do the job than someone fit for the task.



Who exactly is qualified to handle "The Biggest Disaster" in US history?? Especially when he did just fine with the three Florida Hurricanes last year??



Brown has done a sterling job at FEMA up until this storm… The only thing that has changed with Brown in the last year is the State and Local officials he has had to deal with... the conclusion is obvious.

The problem was not Brown.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 11:04:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Schmeghead:

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:

Originally Posted By Schmeghead:
Bye Bye Brownie.

It's pathetic to see you all defending this incompetant ass who couldn't manage the clean up on aisle 3 at Walmart much less the worst natural disaster in US History.

You'd rather have a political cronie do the job than someone fit for the task.



You're a fucking retard.

If he is so incompetent, how did he manage to do an OUTSTANDING job last year during the 4 hurricanes that hit Florida? Huh?

I'm sorry, but I just somehow don't see how a man who did a great job handling a similar situation on numerous other occasions suddenly became "incompetent overnight.

You want to know what the difference is? In those cases last year in Florida, there was quality state and local officials (in other words they weren't socialist liberals) on the job who did what state and local officials were suppose to do. That wasn't the case in Louisiana and we see the results. FEMA was doing what it always did. The fact it worked before leads me to believe the problems all fall on the head of the local and state leaders in Louisiana.

Now put that in your troll pipe and smoke it.



Last time I checked, Miami wasn't completely destroyed by a hurricane like New Orleans was.

Louisiana is one of the poorest states in the Nation, their Governor doesnt have a direct line to the Oval Office like ole Jeb does.

Why was FEMA cutting checks like candy for hurricane relief in Florida and now they are being stingy?

FEMA isn't working this time and it shows. Just admit it, ok? Stop defending incompetance! If you are incompetant in your job, shouldn't you be fired too? If you're incompetance affects peoples lives like Mike Brown's incompetence affected lives, shouldn't you be fired?

Should you have a job or certain position just because you belong to a certain political party?

Why is Brown being replaced.....other than the typical knee jerk reply of SCAPEGOAT? Use your g-damn head and think for a change.



Lets see, the Louisiana Governor met with Pres Bush face to face, and still couldn't make the necessary decisions, and she had the same direct line to the president that all the governers do in an emergency.

Re them being "stingy", there is another thread here about how much they are paying for RVs. That one claims they are paying too much. Which is it?

Still looking for examples of FEMA incompetance. And examples of them not doing stuff they don't do, doesn't count....
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 11:14:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 11:14:45 AM EDT by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:

Still looking for examples of FEMA incompetance. And examples of them not doing stuff they don't do, doesn't count....



Yea ain’t it funny…

We know what the Governor and Mayor did wrong.

And virtually EVERY thing the same people were bicthing about FEMA not doing or doing last week have now been traced directly to the Governor… Like the Governor keeping the Red Cross and Salvation Army out of NO.

No one can really point out EXACTLY what FEMA did wrong… other that throw around meaningless clichés like… “They were slow to get off the ball” despite all the evidace the were not slow
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 11:38:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Schmeghead:

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Brown isn't going anywhere yet. He's still in charge of FEMA and will be running FEMA from Washington just like always. This vice admiral has just been appointed to take charge of the hurricane relief mission on the ground.

I think some of you are reading FAR too much into this.



Running a disaster relief from 1000 miles away? And somehow you think this will IMPROVE things?

What is your fascination with Brownie? Are you in love with him or something?

I think you will lose whatever credibility you had when Brownie gets the AX.




Schmeghead, you are the one with zero credibility.

But you sure seem to entertain yourself well.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 11:56:08 AM EDT
If Brown is smart, he will begin writing his book about the early days of Katrina and name names. It will be valuable for the historical record while the events and conversations are still fresh in his mind.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 12:02:27 PM EDT
So now we're looking for FEMA director's to have experience running the largest rescue, relief and recovery operation in American history? Oh, and they need to have experience handling the complete devastation of a major American city whose local officials are corrupt, incompetent and useless?

Should be an easy position to fill.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 12:07:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Schmeghead:

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:

Originally Posted By Schmeghead:
Bye Bye Brownie.

It's pathetic to see you all defending this incompetant ass who couldn't manage the clean up on aisle 3 at Walmart much less the worst natural disaster in US History.

You'd rather have a political cronie do the job than someone fit for the task.



You're a fucking retard.

If he is so incompetent, how did he manage to do an OUTSTANDING job last year during the 4 hurricanes that hit Florida? Huh?

I'm sorry, but I just somehow don't see how a man who did a great job handling a similar situation on numerous other occasions suddenly became "incompetent overnight.

You want to know what the difference is? In those cases last year in Florida, there was quality state and local officials (in other words they weren't socialist liberals) on the job who did what state and local officials were suppose to do. That wasn't the case in Louisiana and we see the results. FEMA was doing what it always did. The fact it worked before leads me to believe the problems all fall on the head of the local and state leaders in Louisiana.

Now put that in your troll pipe and smoke it.



Last time I checked, Miami wasn't completely destroyed by a hurricane like New Orleans was.

Louisiana is one of the poorest states in the Nation, their Governor doesnt have a direct line to the Oval Office like ole Jeb does.

Why was FEMA cutting checks like candy for hurricane relief in Florida and now they are being stingy?

FEMA isn't working this time and it shows. Just admit it, ok? Stop defending incompetance! If you are incompetant in your job, shouldn't you be fired too? If you're incompetance affects peoples lives like Mike Brown's incompetence affected lives, shouldn't you be fired?

Should you have a job or certain position just because you belong to a certain political party?

Why is Brown being replaced.....other than the typical knee jerk reply of SCAPEGOAT? Use your g-damn head and think for a change.



So your man would be cutting blank checks to everyone who claims tohave been a New Orleans resident? You'd just make checks available for the asking. I don't know about you but I think we should ALWAYS have been more stingy than we are. I have insurance in case I'm in something like this. I have savings for rainy days. I work and pay taxes and pay my bills so that I can be sitting on credit cards I owe nothing to, but could fall back on if I had to. I pay attention to the world and would get the fu** out if I saw this coming. I don't have a bag full of excuses why someone else needs to take care of me.

Rolling Brown's head is just another way of advancing the socialist agenda of taking care of the lowest among us, increasing the burden on the rest of us. And we wonder why our America keeps going down hill...
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 12:33:30 PM EDT
This is'nt knee jerk..he has no experience is this type or any type of emergency from what we're hearing. He was the head of an Arabian horse club or some such thing.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 1:00:31 PM EDT
Someone apparently thinks Brown is a fuckup. Otherwise why replace him?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 1:52:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 1:52:59 PM EDT by napalm]
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Link Posted: 9/9/2005 1:58:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:
So now we're looking for FEMA director's to have experience running the largest rescue, relief and recovery operation in American history? Oh, and they need to have experience handling the complete devastation of a major American city whose local officials are corrupt, incompetent and useless?

Should be an easy position to fill.



We need Superman. He could of just exhaled strongly to blow that wicked hurricane away.

They should bring in some ex-military logistics officer, like a Gus Pagonas? from IRAQ 1. The position requires somebody with large scale mobilization experience and execution. I'm not saying Brown did anything "wrong". This postion just requires somebody that has the capacity to deal with overcoming obstacles and not giving a rats ass about politics when the SHTF.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:19:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NAKED-GUNMAN:
This is'nt knee jerk..he has no experience is this type or any type of emergency from what we're hearing. He was the head of an Arabian horse club or some such thing.





WTF about the 5 years experience at FEMA he has. 5 years, 5 years, 5 years experience.

Once again Brown has been in charge during many storms and was in charge during a particularly bad spate of storms in FL last year… everything was fine.

What changed other than the Local and State officials.

Repeating over and over again that he does not have experience is meaningless… until you can actually tell us exactly what Brown did wrong.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:28:06 PM EDT
Ye ha..Semper Paratus.............go Coasties!!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:29:39 PM EDT
They say hes keeping the job and going back to DC to prepare for future desasters. What the fuck? He cant handle N.O. the gov sends him back to prepare for the future?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:32:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BigB1129:
They say hes keeping the job and going back to DC to prepare for future desasters. What the fuck? He cant handle N.O. the gov sends him back to prepare for the future?



OK, I'll bite. How did he not handle N.O.? What did he do wrong?
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:34:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CMOS:
Can you say "SCAPEGOAT"? The NOLA Mayor and the LA Governor should be hung. CMOS

Yep, the problems are in LA.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:43:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2005 2:52:25 PM EDT by BigB1129]

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:

Originally Posted By BigB1129:
They say hes keeping the job and going back to DC to prepare for future desasters. What the fuck? He cant handle N.O. the gov sends him back to prepare for the future?



OK, I'll bite. How did he not handle N.O.? What did he do wrong?



The major & authorites of N.O. are to blame too but FEMA is also responsible. My point is though if the government has taken him out of N.O. becase they dont think he could handle it, why are they leaving him onboard for the future? They should have confidence in the people they put in charge
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:49:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Schmeghead:

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Brown isn't going anywhere yet. He's still in charge of FEMA and will be running FEMA from Washington just like always. This vice admiral has just been appointed to take charge of the hurricane relief mission on the ground.

I think some of you are reading FAR too much into this.



Running a disaster relief from 1000 miles away? And somehow you think this will IMPROVE things?

What is your fascination with Brownie? Are you in love with him or something?

I think you will lose whatever credibility you had when Brownie gets the AX.



I think Brown has managed this incident as well as it could be managed considering the circumstances. And I don't think it would have made one speck of difference who had been FEMA director. This was a disaster of Biblical proportions that would have severly taxed any system or plan.

BTW, at least I have some credibility here to lose, which is far more than I can say for you. All you've done since showing up here in troll one post after another.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:52:35 PM EDT
Brown will be fired in due time. Many many improprieties on his CV.
He is incompetent and an impostor folks. "He says this and several schools, etc. have refuted his statements. Mark my words. He is shitcanned. Time tells all.
Link Posted: 9/9/2005 2:53:34 PM EDT
Tell me this all knowing ones....

What major city governmental body is capable of handling a storm as devestating as Katrina without Federal assistance?

If Miami was destroyed and flooded on the scale of NO would they have been able to cope without Federal help?
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