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Posted: 11/23/2014 8:19:46 PM EDT
Needed some new defensive ammo and got a box of these
The price was good. Are they good to go.
I think I had the Winchester 124g +p.
Link Posted: 11/23/2014 8:52:24 PM EDT
I use Federal HST 124 or 147 +P and Gold dots 124 +P which ever performs better in the intended pistol
Link Posted: 11/23/2014 9:09:34 PM EDT
Underwood 124+P+ W/Gold Dot














Link Posted: 11/23/2014 9:13:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/23/2014 9:15:56 PM EDT by RVAguy]
I have them in my daily carry M&P9C and I think they are in the bathroom G19. I haven't had to use them, and most of the tests I have seen showed they expand.

Edit: YouTube has a bunch of vids of different rounds going into gel. That should help you validate your $15 purchase.
Link Posted: 11/23/2014 9:15:54 PM EDT
I've been carrying them in my glocks, accurate and reliable. i have seen tests that show they "over penetrate" however.
Link Posted: 11/23/2014 9:52:08 PM EDT
I have / use Federal HST 124gr and Gold Dot 124gr for the HD load. I am hoarding my Ranger +P 124gr T's. I had seen the listing at Widners for the IMI 115gr EX-STAR so I bought a few boxes and they have proven to be very accurate.

I have reloaded 147gr Hornady XTPs with very good results but I have never used the Critical Duty ammo. If I get the results I am looking for at the range then I start looking at the videos on youtube. If I like what I see I buy more but I don't place all of my needs on one brand or type.

I have never seen any follow up information on the IMI so I only have a few boxes.

I'm using a G19 with a KKM barrel
Link Posted: 11/23/2014 11:10:39 PM EDT
I have one of my 9MMs loaded with these. I also keep them in my main carry gun while deer hunting(penetration). Great ammo so far.
Link Posted: 11/23/2014 11:13:47 PM EDT
I use them they seem all right. Midway has them on sale for $20 a box. I drove there yesterday and picked up 2 boxes and a magazine. I can't find HSTs anywhere.
Link Posted: 11/23/2014 11:22:04 PM EDT
my glock loves them
Link Posted: 11/23/2014 11:39:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/23/2014 11:53:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/23/2014 11:54:59 PM EDT by Fooboy]
If its not on the list in the ammo oracle, I don't use it.

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm

If you take all of these criteria into account, the lists should come as no surprise. Please note that all of the recommended pistol loads listed below have been personally tested and vetted by Dr. Roberts. THEY ARE NOT IN ORDER OF PERFORMANCE, SO ANY BULLET ON THE LIST IS CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE.

9mm

Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) such as loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger Bonded 124 gr +P JHP (RA9BA)
Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
Speer Gold Dor 124gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)
Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)
Federal HST 124gr JHP +P (P9HST3)
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Link Posted: 11/23/2014 11:59:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fooboy:
If its not on the list in the ammo oracle, I don't use it.

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm

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Originally Posted By Fooboy:
If its not on the list in the ammo oracle, I don't use it.

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm

If you take all of these criteria into account, the lists should come as no surprise. Please note that all of the recommended pistol loads listed below have been personally tested and vetted by Dr. Roberts. THEY ARE NOT IN ORDER OF PERFORMANCE, SO ANY BULLET ON THE LIST IS CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE.

9mm

Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) such as loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger Bonded 124 gr +P JHP (RA9BA)
Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
Speer Gold Dor 124gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)
Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)
Federal HST 124gr JHP +P (P9HST3)




Some of the newer HP ammo is not on the AO.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 12:04:14 AM EDT
We at the Sheriff's Office spent a day shooting handgun ammo at bare gel, gel with denim, gel behind window glass, etc. We had a shitload of ammo, including stuff guys brought from home, etc. Critical Duty consistently impressed. We issue it now in place of the Gold Dots we were carrying.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 12:09:07 AM EDT
I shot these myself. 9mm and .45 HST on top and Hornady on the bottom. You pick which one performed better.

Link Posted: 11/24/2014 12:09:53 AM EDT
I think DocGKR got sick of the bullshit and bailed on ARF

and TOS. Not sure the "best choices" list is necessarily

up to date these days?
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 12:18:41 AM EDT
I have them in the standard pressure and will use them without reservation as long as they function.

I really don't care about "the list" as all handgun rounds suck.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 12:21:11 AM EDT
Nope. Have a thousand rounds of Speer Gold Dot 147gr. that I use.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 9:40:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jlficken:
I have them in the standard pressure and will use them without reservation as long as they function.
I really don't care about "the list" as all handgun rounds suck.
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This. Shot placement and sufficient penetration are paramount, all else is secondary.
Tomac
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 1:00:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gqllc:
I use Federal HST 147
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This
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 1:03:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 1:05:43 PM EDT
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Some of the newer HP ammo is not on the AO.
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Originally Posted By BamaInArk:
Originally Posted By Fooboy:
If its not on the list in the ammo oracle, I don't use it.

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm

If you take all of these criteria into account, the lists should come as no surprise. Please note that all of the recommended pistol loads listed below have been personally tested and vetted by Dr. Roberts. THEY ARE NOT IN ORDER OF PERFORMANCE, SO ANY BULLET ON THE LIST IS CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE.

9mm

Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) such as loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester Ranger Bonded 124 gr +P JHP (RA9BA)
Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
Speer Gold Dor 124gr JHP
Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)
Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)
Federal HST 124gr JHP +P (P9HST3)




Some of the newer HP ammo is not on the AO.


Not to mention zero in 10mm. I realize this thread is 9mm specific, but the AO write up should not be viewed as all inclusive.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 1:19:20 PM EDT
Critical Duty 9MM LUGER+P 135 gr FlexLock is my defensive round of choice.
Link Posted: 11/24/2014 1:21:04 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 11/25/2014 7:54:37 PM EDT
Good luck finding the ranger HST. I know it's out there but unless you're a LEO it's a bitch to get.

I have it and use it but it's time to cycle my carry ammo.

Link Posted: 11/25/2014 7:55:18 PM EDT
This is my issue duty ammo
Link Posted: 11/25/2014 7:56:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By zealgroup:
Underwood 124+P+ W/Gold Dot










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Link Posted: 11/25/2014 7:59:37 PM EDT
I'm using standard pressure in my G19 with no issues. I can't remember the grain count, but I think it's 124...
Link Posted: 11/25/2014 10:08:56 PM EDT
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I'm using standard pressure in my G19 with no issues. I can't remember the grain count, but I think it's 124...
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Standard pressure is best pressure. In all if these weights and loads it meets all penitration standards and also gives you faster follow up shots and less wear on the gun. No reason to shoot +P, even in winter. I'm sure some will disagree but everything I have read over the past 20 years and training with the best instructors in the country lead me to believe this.
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