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Posted: 12/20/2009 1:14:40 AM EDT
VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT**





AP- WASHINGTON D.C. -





In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College . Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate  The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.





To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.





Britain's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing  pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president.





Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending.


This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S.attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.





LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON'T !**





Subject: RE: Issue of Passport?


While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta , and Karachi ?





So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?





And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?





The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.





Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?


A : Yes, by his own admission.





Q: What passport did he travel under?


A: There are only three possibilities.





1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,





2) He traveled with a British passport, or





3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.





Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?


A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.





Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.





If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.





Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008..





Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress,the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.
Hmmm...
 
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:18:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2009 1:19:19 AM EDT by ChallengetoFind]
Wow, not looking good for old Barry.

Anyone know if Indonesia is one of those countries you have to renounce your other citizenship to join?

ETA: This reminds me of another question I never got a good answer to: At what point in the campaign/inauguration process, and to whom, does the candidate have to prove he's a citizen?
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:19:16 AM EDT
Intresting.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:19:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2009 1:26:50 AM EDT by Half_Rack]
Things just got interesting, if this is in fact true.

Eta:
"estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records."


Most already know he's been trying to hide something, but holy shiite, 1 million just to block disclosure! (no wonder excessive spending doesn't have any shock value to him.)
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:24:59 AM EDT


Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:25:31 AM EDT
DEPORT THE KENYAN

Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:25:53 AM EDT
When was this story released? April 1st?
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:25:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:36:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2009 1:47:31 AM EDT by CoolHand26]
Not sure if this is for real or not but this site says it is a haox http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:41:17 AM EDT
I can get an Iranian passport right now AND claim dual citizenship with Iran.  What would stop me from applying for the same scholarship?

I was born in Bridgeport, CT.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:43:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

 

The article is predicated on the idea that his Hawaii birth certificate is false, which is rather unlikely; and that the second "Kenyan birth certificate" is true, just dated wrong instead of being a forgery like the first.
No travel lists don't magically keep people from flying or swapping passports between airports, nor does the US even recognize the concept of dual citizenship, require people to choose between citizenships, or force people to lose citizenship when gaining it in another country unless specifically done for that purpose.

It's just provincial reporters who don't understand how expat life works. One glance at the State Dept. page sinks half their argument.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:44:09 AM EDT
Face it! We're stuck with the foreign bastard until 2012!
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:46:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PepPop:
Face it! We're stuck with the foreign bastard until 2012!


sittin on a toilet. sittin on a toilet. sittin on a toilet. sittin on a toilet.sittin on a toilet. sittin on a toilet.sittin on a toilet. sittin on a toilet.sittin on a toilet. sittin on a toilet.sittin on a toilet. sittin on a toilet.sittin on a toilet. sittin on a toilet.sittin on a toilet. sittin on a toilet.


now flush
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:46:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PepPop:
Face it! We're stuck with the foreign bastard until 2012!


You just had to ruin all our fun, didn't you?
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:46:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2009 1:46:56 AM EDT by JustaGunNut]
Yeah I got that chain mail too. But funny how it has no sources.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:46:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GreyHat:
Originally Posted By osprey21:
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

 

The article is predicated on the idea that his Hawaii birth certificate is false, which is rather unlikely; and that the second "Kenyan birth certificate" is true, just dated wrong instead of being a forgery like the first.
No travel lists don't magically keep people from flying or swapping passports between airports, nor does the US even recognize the concept of dual citizenship, require people to choose between citizenships, or force people to lose citizenship when gaining it in another country unless specifically done for that purpose.

It's just provincial reporters who don't understand how expat life works. One glance at the State Dept. page sinks half their argument.


The US recognizes dual citizenship.  I believe you can't have more than that, though.  Buddy of mine naturalized as a US citizen while retaining his Chinese citizenship.  My dad did the same thing while retaining his Iranian citizenship.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 1:57:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 103:

The US recognizes dual citizenship.  I believe you can't have more than that, though.  Buddy of mine naturalized as a US citizen while retaining his Chinese citizenship.  My dad did the same thing while retaining his Iranian citizenship.


It recognizes it as a fact of life that it can't change, not as a part of US law. Use of a foreign passport doesn't endanger your US one.

Doesn't really matter to Obama though, because his birth certificate was available in 08.
While some folks don't like the "short-form" version, it does state it's prima facie, self-evident, right there on the form. For context, Hawaii became a state in 1959.

Link Posted: 12/20/2009 2:03:59 AM EDT
It likely won't be the anti-Obama camp but the Obama worshippers that will solve these issues. Where do they make a pilgrimage to on his birthday?
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 2:11:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PepPop:
Face it! We're stuck with the foreign bastard until 2012!


Link Posted: 12/20/2009 2:21:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CoolHand26:
Not sure if this is for real or not but this site says it is a haox http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp


It's been documented that the folks who run the Snopes site lean left and are apologists for the liberal side of things.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 2:21:47 AM EDT
Until link is posted this story is
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 2:25:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JDtalon:
Until link is posted this story is


As much as I'd like it to be true, I've got the same opinion.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 2:28:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 2:41:04 AM EDT



Originally Posted By PepPop:


Face it! We're stuck with the foreign bastard until 2012!


I have a DERAM.

 


Link Posted: 12/20/2009 2:56:18 AM EDT
Oh shit....It is on now!...

Someone is going to whoop ass and take the white house..as soon as American Idol is over!

Can you imagine how damn fast Nancy Pelosi will assassinate Joe Biden?...LoL!
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 3:04:44 AM EDT
FUCK obama.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 3:07:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 3:28:34 AM EDT



Originally Posted By JDtalon:







Tag anyway.

 
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 3:35:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Brohawk:
Originally Posted By CoolHand26:
Not sure if this is for real or not but this site says it is a haox http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp


It's been documented that the folks who run the Snopes site lean left and are apologists for the liberal side of things.


Always some excuse to ignore the facts.... face it nothing will be good enough for you .
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 4:19:07 AM EDT

.... face it nothing will be good enough for you.




In this case, no.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 4:21:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2009 4:21:53 AM EDT by PepPop]
Originally Posted By DuraToTheMax:

Originally Posted By PepPop:
Face it! We're stuck with the foreign bastard until 2012!

I have a DERAM.  



I should post this:

But it's really more like this:
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 4:49:02 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 5:02:19 AM EDT
I Obama was really not a US citizen and not eligible to be US president wouldn't Hillary have been ALL OVER THIS during the primaries? That is one crafty bitch, and as much as I dislike her, she is not retarded. She wanted to be the first female president too badly not to use this info if it were true.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 5:06:02 AM EDT




Originally Posted By osprey21:

VERY QUIETLY OBAMA'S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT**



AP- WASHINGTON D.C. -



In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College . Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program.



To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama's legitimacy and qualification to serve as President. When reached for comment in London, where he has been in meetings with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Obama smiled but refused comment on the issue.



Britain's Daily Mail has also carried the story in a front-page article titled, "Obama Eligibility Questioned," leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama's first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama's legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. Donofrio's case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama's citizenship or qualification to serve as president.



Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending.

This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S.attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter.



LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON'T !**



Subject: RE: Issue of Passport?

While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta , and Karachi ?



So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?



And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?



The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.



Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

A : Yes, by his own admission.



Q: What passport did he travel under?

A: There are only three possibilities.



1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,



2) He traveled with a British passport, or



3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.



Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?

A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.



Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.



If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.



Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008..



Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress,the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.





Hmmm...





Please post the source & date of this story.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 5:08:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CoolHand26:
Not sure if this is for real or not but this site says it is a haox http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp


Some Obama haters are like the truthoors , they will believe what they want to believe. When Obama is President in 2012 they will still be  griping
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 5:11:34 AM EDT
***NEWSFLASH***

AP - KALAMAZOO



No link to original = fake.  You got Pwn'd



Hmmmm





It makes those of us critical of Obama for real reasons easier to tar as superstitious wogs when those of us who ARE superstitious wogs run around falling for this kind of obvious bullshit.  
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 5:18:10 AM EDT
I would love it if this was true...but its not, all we can hope for is that this clown is out in 2012
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 5:21:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 5:24:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
...
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
 


As others have pointed out, this claim it total bullshit.  Pakistan was not on a "no travel" list in 1981.  Any American citizen who wanted could travel there on an American passport.  The State Department may have issued a warning, and recommended that people be careful if they travel in that area, but there was NOT a "no travel" list or some other prohibition against traveling to Pakistan with an American passport.



true, however the one about him spending over $1M isn't. why do you suppose he'd do that?
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 5:51:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ChallengetoFind:
Wow, not looking good for old Barry.


"Barry" will be just fine...........the bureaucrats and "judges" would re-write the Bible if were necessary to keep the illegitimate half-frican in the Oval Office!!

The truth is WHATEVER THEY DECIDE IT TO BE!!!

Link Posted: 12/20/2009 5:54:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By lawdog777:
Originally Posted By CoolHand26:
Not sure if this is for real or not but this site says it is a haox http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp


Some Obama haters are like the truthoors , they will believe what they want to believe. When Obama is President in 2012 they will still be  griping


And those who like Obama would suck shit out of a dead dog's ass if their messiah told them to.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 5:56:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2009 6:08:57 AM EDT by pale_pony]
Originally Posted By lawdog777:
Originally Posted By CoolHand26:
Not sure if this is for real or not but this site says it is a haox http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp


Some Obama haters are like the truthoors , they will believe what they want to believe. When Obama is President in 2012 they will still be  griping


Fuck you, you fucking troll...Go back to DUh where you belong.

Half of this site has you on their "Ignore" list.

"SNOPES" is a bullshit site that is funded by Adware AND Moveon.org, their info is no more credible than Chris Matthews or Keith Olbermann.

Link Posted: 12/20/2009 6:00:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GreyHat:
nor does the US even recognize the concept of dual citizenship


You are incorrect. Israeli dual citizenship is not only recognized; they hold some of the highest offices in the land.

Link Posted: 12/20/2009 6:17:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Rudolf_Diesel:
Originally Posted By GreyHat:
nor does the US even recognize the concept of dual citizenship


You are incorrect. Israeli dual citizenship is not only recognized; they hold some of the highest offices in the land.



this is true, however indonesia does not. to get indonesian citizenship you have to renounce your existing citizenship
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 6:23:01 AM EDT




Birthers and truthers are on the same level...
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 6:24:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CoolHand26:
Not sure if this is for real or not but this site says it is a haox http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp


Snopes can no longer be trusted on political issues. It's owned and operated by a husband and wife who are raging Democrats.

Link Posted: 12/20/2009 6:30:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MP0117:
Originally Posted By CoolHand26:
Not sure if this is for real or not but this site says it is a haox http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp


Snopes can no longer be trusted on political issues. It's owned and operated by a husband and wife who are raging Democrats.




Who are ALSO funded by Moveon.org.

Link Posted: 12/20/2009 6:33:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MP0117:
Originally Posted By CoolHand26:
Not sure if this is for real or not but this site says it is a haox http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp


Snopes can no longer be trusted on political issues. It's owned and operated by a husband and wife who are raging Democrats.



Big+1  Fuck snopes!  why the fuck ANYONE would believe ANYTHING they say is beyond comprehension.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 6:35:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
...
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
 


As others have pointed out, this claim it total bullshit.  Pakistan was not on a "no travel" list in 1981.  Any American citizen who wanted could travel there on an American passport.  The State Department may have issued a warning, and recommended that people be careful if they travel in that area, but there was NOT a "no travel" list or some other prohibition against traveling to Pakistan with an American passport.



I guess since this is what snopes says you must be a member of moveon.org , and a raging liberal.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 6:36:53 AM EDT

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No.. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.


Ert - wrong. Just because the US puts a country on a no-travel list, doesn't mean one can't still get into that country.

Cuba is on that list as well. I have a friend who repeatedly has gone there for weeks at a time. Cuba doesn't care if you come in. You fly there from Mexico.

From there you can bribe someone to not stamp your passport, or come with two and 'lose' the one  Cuba stamped so the US is clueless where you have been.
Link Posted: 12/20/2009 6:40:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2009 6:42:01 AM EDT by LARRYG]
never mind

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