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Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:05:27 PM EDT
The Progressives have very defined centers of gravity: the media, academia, Hollywood, most of the Federal govt including the alphabet soup agencies.

Those are what are considered as "targets". I suggest that's a place to begin the tactics to fight them.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:05:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sirensong:
grandfathering combined with a transfer ban is the most powerful weapon at the gun grabbers' disposal.  they get to brag about 'making progress,' while the "i got mine" mentality will result in far less resistance.  want to kill america's gun culture?  grandfather everything, but ban transfers and regulate ranges.  within a generation, the political will to fight for gun rights will be completely hollowed out (because recreational shooting will be almost extinguished).




i've just made myself angry all over again.

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I agree which is why for me at least that's essentially as bad as no grandfathering. The op was worst case scenario, but it isn't the only situation that demands some type of action.

Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:05:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 50cal:

Yeah. US Government classes aren't taught anymore, or no one pays attention.
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Originally Posted By dskeet:
You realize she can't just do this on her own, right?

Yeah. US Government classes aren't taught anymore, or no one pays attention.

Well have to pass it to see whats in it
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:07:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GarandM1:

Pretty much this.  If Obama couldn't get an AW ban enacted after Sandy Hook then Hillary won't be able to pass one, either.
 
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Originally Posted By GarandM1:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
If the current blowhard didn't do it - she won't either.

Pretty much this.  If Obama couldn't get an AW ban enacted after Sandy Hook then Hillary won't be able to pass one, either.
 

Wrong. FBHO didnt have the judges that shell have.

the bitch will pass what she can even if its not an all out ban
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:07:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 3rdpig:
It's bullshit to inflame her base.  Just like the wall is for Trump, forcing large corporations into paying crippling taxes is for Bernie and abolishing the IRS is for Cruz.  None of it is ever going to happen and they know it.  The  time has come to look them in the face and call it what it is, utter and complete bullshit.
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Do you not think it will happen eventually? Maybe not in the next 10 years, but 20-30. Maybe even more than that. Hell I'll be pretty old in 30+ years, but I'll probably still be alive.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:07:52 PM EDT
Join the NRA for a year if you are not a member.  We Need Numbers.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:08:43 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By BangStick1:





 



Maybe you haven't been paying attention to current events but Obama

has set the presedent that the President can if fact rewrite the

law without consequence.
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Originally Posted By BangStick1:



Originally Posted By 50cal:


Originally Posted By dskeet:

You realize she can't just do this on her own, right?


Yeah. US Government classes aren't taught anymore, or no one pays attention.


 



Maybe you haven't been paying attention to current events but Obama

has set the presedent that the President can if fact rewrite the

law without consequence.


True, but even with his creative interpretations of the law he hasn't been able to ban a single gun yet.  Even after a bloody massacre like Sandy Hook, which was tailor-made to help pass an AW ban.



I have no doubt Hillary will not miss a chance to screw us over, but she also might remember that getting bogged down in a fight with gun owners is what messed up Bill's presidency.



There's a good chance she's pushing gun control just to get to the left of Crazy Uncle Bernie, but will then abandon it if she's elected.  The woman lies about everything, so it's quite possible.



 
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:09:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 50cal:

Yeah. US Government classes aren't taught anymore, or no one pays attention.
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Originally Posted By 50cal:
Originally Posted By dskeet:
You realize she can't just do this on her own, right?

Yeah. US Government classes aren't taught anymore, or no one pays attention.


The Government/Econ classes that I took were still missing the chapters regarding activist liberal federal judges...

The judicial branch we have today LOVES to shit all over the Constitution.  Why would the Second Amendment be any different with another ultra liberal judge on the bench?  

The OP has a valid concern.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:12:03 PM EDT
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then you will have infinite plans
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Originally Posted By GenoGS:
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For the record I'm not panicking, and I do realize she can't do it all by herself. I just like to have a plan in place for any potential situation that arises.

then you will have infinite plans


A part of me knows that. I just don't like the way the options currently look. So like I said hopefully better options will present themselves.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:12:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GarandM1:

Pretty much this.  If Obama couldn't get an AW ban enacted after Sandy Hook then Hillary won't be able to pass one, either.
 
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Originally Posted By GarandM1:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
If the current blowhard didn't do it - she won't either.

Pretty much this.  If Obama couldn't get an AW ban enacted after Sandy Hook then Hillary won't be able to pass one, either.
 


You realize there was Republican contolled congress at that time right?  I guarantee had the Dems had control at the time, they would have passed a ton of shit.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:12:32 PM EDT
Does anyone think that this career criminal who thumbs her nose at the law would not invent executive powers to ban whatever she wants.
If she is elected we know that she will nominate an anti-gun supreme court justice and the RINO'S will appoint that Justice.
The court will then cherry pick cases to bring about the end of the Second, not matter previous ruling have been.

Anyone who thinks this day will not come is only kidding themselves. Nov 8th will be interesting.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:12:49 PM EDT
Buy ammo.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:13:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gym007:


They won't come and collect them. You'll be forced to hide them and never use them and if you get caught with them they'll pick you off one by one. Then when you die your kids or grandkids will turn 'em in
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Originally Posted By gym007:
Originally Posted By WileyG27:
If she wants them so bad, let her come to collect them personally.






They won't come and collect them. You'll be forced to hide them and never use them and if you get caught with them they'll pick you off one by one. Then when you die your kids or grandkids will turn 'em in


Either this or what sirensong posted above will be the route they go. I think it's more a question of when rather than if.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:14:59 PM EDT
I guess she will get as much gun control as Obama did in the last 8 yrs.



Free
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:15:28 PM EDT
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Who needs that when you can have the supreme court do it for you.
It blows my mind that it hasn't happened already.

2A was written with the idea that we had no standing army. Our defense was the state militias.

There are no longer any militias out there, who are well regulated and and whos function is to defend a "free state". We have an official military for our security.
I know it says thr "right" to keep and bear arms, but it's under the context of a well regulated militia.
So that AR collection you've got, how does that fall into the 2A category?

For instance, did you head to NY when we were attacked? Or did you let the govt protect you?

All I can say is you'd better vote for Trump, because if Hillary gets in we're fucked, and I doubt there will be a grandfather clause, just like what CA is doing.


Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:15:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cornhskr:
Join the NRA for a year if you are not a member.  We Need Numbers.
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Already a member and have been for several years. Unfortunately I don't think it will matter eventually.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:16:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tomislav:
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Not one more inch?  What's the plan.

Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:17:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
I guess she will get as much gun control as Obama did in the last 8 yrs.

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It's her Obamacare. She will get it. AWB for sure. Universal background checks for sure.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:17:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
I guess she will get as much gun control as Obama did in the last 8 yrs.

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That may be the case. I hope so, but you have to realize this is going to happen at some point.
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like all the shit FBHO cant do but did?



 
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:19:19 PM EDT
wgaf
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:19:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GenoGS:


Already a member and have been for several years. Unfortunately I don't think it will matter eventually.
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Originally Posted By cornhskr:
Join the NRA for a year if you are not a member.  We Need Numbers.


Already a member and have been for several years. Unfortunately I don't think it will matter eventually.


It's those that do not belong to the NRA that my comment was after.  Numbers send messages.  The NRA rolls should be 10s of millions!
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:20:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
If the current blowhard didn't do it - she won't either.
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This plus even my liberal friends on FB all have EBRs and Glocks now.  I doubt we'll see a big gun grab at the federal level.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:22:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cornhskr:


It's those that do not belong to the NRA that my comment was after.  Numbers send messages.  The NRA rolls should be 10s of millions!
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Originally Posted By cornhskr:
Originally Posted By GenoGS:
Originally Posted By cornhskr:
Join the NRA for a year if you are not a member.  We Need Numbers.


Already a member and have been for several years. Unfortunately I don't think it will matter eventually.


It's those that do not belong to the NRA that my comment was after.  Numbers send messages.  The NRA rolls should be 10s of millions!


And this.  If every gun owner was in the NRA we would have nothing to fear.   We could probabably even advance our cause a considerable amount.
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Originally Posted By sirensong:


grandfathering combined with a transfer ban is the most powerful weapon at the gun grabbers' disposal.  they get to brag about 'making progress,' while the "i got mine" mentality will result in far less resistance.  want to kill america's gun culture?  grandfather everything, but ban transfers and regulate ranges.  within a generation, the political will to fight for gun rights will be completely hollowed out (because recreational shooting will be almost extinguished).
i've just made myself angry all over again.



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Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:24:20 PM EDT
Something about a tree of liberty and the blood of patriots.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:25:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NavyIS2:
Where did everyone get this idea that the POTUS is a dictator that can do what they please? Obama wanted gun control more than anything else and even when dems held the house and Senate early on they couldn't get a new assault weapon ban pushed through.
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From recent history?
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:26:22 PM EDT
Backhoe, 6" PVC pipe, axle grease.
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Originally Posted By GrasshopperNOmore:


This plus even my liberal friends on FB all have EBRs and Glocks now.  I doubt we'll see a big gun grab at the federal level.
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Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
If the current blowhard didn't do it - she won't either.


This plus even my liberal friends on FB all have EBRs and Glocks now.  I doubt we'll see a big gun grab at the federal level.


I don't think they will hesitate to shit on their base to further their ends. Look at obamacare. Elected officials are so disconnected from the voters all they care about is pushing whatever bullshit sgenda suits their fancy.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:27:57 PM EDT
I will not comply. I'm getting older and fed up with bullshit.
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I'm not hiding my firearms.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:30:01 PM EDT
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I will not comply. I'm getting older and fed up with bullshit.
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Neither will I, but without some sort of other action we will slowly get picked off and in a generation or two the populace will be disarmed.
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Originally Posted By GenoGS:


I'm not hiding my firearms.
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Originally Posted By GenoGS:
Originally Posted By Burley:
Backhoe, 6" PVC pipe, axle grease.


I'm not hiding my firearms.

Hiding until the right tactical situation may be the most effective course of action.

Oh, and a .308 or better with nice glass will be the preferred method for dealing with 21st century tyranny. The AR will be to get to your scoped weapon.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:30:23 PM EDT
She is not going after the guns....she is going for the ammo...
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What's the point of burying your guns? Honestly? You expect them to sprout into a freedom tree? If everyone follows that advice you will have effectively disarmed yourselves without the government having to lift a finger to take them from you.
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Originally Posted By Thedude27:
Sign whatever piece of paper you want Im not turning shit in.
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Well...duh
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:37:09 PM EDT
From my cold dead hands, bitch.
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Originally Posted By BangStick1:

 

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to current events but Obama
has set the presedent that the President can if fact rewrite the
law without consequence.




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Originally Posted By 50cal:
Originally Posted By dskeet:
You realize she can't just do this on her own, right?

Yeah. US Government classes aren't taught anymore, or no one pays attention.

 

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to current events but Obama
has set the presedent that the President can if fact rewrite the
law without consequence.





There where is Obamas "stroke of his pen" gun ban?  He wants it just as much as Hillary.  If he could do it, he would have.
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Not true. She can't legitimately do it on her own... but then again, 90% of what Obama has done has been extra-Constitutional and no one has done shit about it... so what, exactly, is going to stop her? Paul Ryan? The now-lib SCOTUS?

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Originally Posted By Fourman:
She is not going after the guns....she is going for the ammo...
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Different route same endgame. Don't get tied up to much in how we get fucked just that we're going to get fucked.
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Originally Posted By Dominus:


What's the point of burying your guns? Honestly? You expect them to sprout into a freedom tree? If everyone follows that advice you will have effectively disarmed yourselves without the government having to lift a finger to take them from you.
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Originally Posted By Dominus:
Originally Posted By Burley:
Backhoe, 6" PVC pipe, axle grease.


What's the point of burying your guns? Honestly? You expect them to sprout into a freedom tree? If everyone follows that advice you will have effectively disarmed yourselves without the government having to lift a finger to take them from you.


They, like most other muricans lack the testicular fortitude to fight for what they believe in, so they'll bury them, have a boat accident, or run away to another state like a pussy.. or turn them in.

The precedent already been set by places like dc, ca, ny, ma, etc etc. People have beem semt to PRISON for exercising their "right", so say or act otherwise is simply foolish.
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Until CA makes profiting from anything gun related illegal.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:43:16 PM EDT
Hopefully I will do the right thing.
Link Posted: 4/22/2016 11:43:31 PM EDT
I'll deal with that if it comes. Simple a that.



But I'm doing my part to prevent it by voting for Trump. Bible Boy Ted wouldn't win in a sack race against a rock let alone the GE.
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I think she's going for both !!!!!
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Originally Posted By NavyIS2:

Where did everyone get this idea that the POTUS is a dictator that can do what they please? Obama wanted gun control more than anything else and even when dems held the house and Senate early on they couldn't get a new assault weapon ban pushed through.




From recent history?
No shit.

 



Congress is preprogrammed to bend to the office's will.




By the way, fuck that turncoat communist fuck Paul Ryan.
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How much do you think is enough if you can no longer use any in public view?
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Oh well, Second Revolution kicks off. Maybe the next batch will get the message.
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From my cold dead hands, bitch.
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I'm in agreement.
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