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Posted: 7/12/2010 7:17:43 AM EST
At the last SHOT Show, I looked at some Bullsbag shooting rests. I spoke with one of their reps and he told me about how the bags worked. He asked me if I would be interested in doing a product evaluation on the bags. I told him I would be glad to do so, but warned him that I would only tell the truth about what I saw. He assured me that was all he wanted.
I received three different models of their bags, and will show how they are used and how well they work in this two-part series. The bags are meant to replace the standard benchrest set-up of a front adjustable rifle rest and a rear sandbag system. I have used this type of system for over 40 years. Here is my usual set-up. I will be a pretty tough sell for changing to a new system, but let’s see how this one works. The first bag is the model they call the Bench Black/Suede 15" Shooting Rest. It came filled with “cat litter” and weighs about 23 pounds. It has a convenient shoulder strap to help carry it to the bench. It lists retail for $104.95. (Just as a side-note…..Many may feel that this is a lot of money for a shooting rest. However, my normal shooting rests presently lists for approximately $250 and the rear bag lists for around $30, so the system costs approximately $280. That’s makes $104.95 sound a lot better. ) The Bullsbag system uses a novel system to hold the rifle snugly. It consists of four “chambers” in an X-type of arrangement. By placing the rifle between the top two chambers, you can adjust the tension by how much you spread out the two lower bags. This holds the rifle very snugly and allows consistent shot-to-shot accuracy. I will try it out with my Accuracy International AE rifle, in .308 Winchester caliber. This rifle is extremely accurate on the standard benchrest set-up that I normally use, so we will see if it will shoot as well on this bag. Here I am, ready to go. I will be shooting at 100 Yards, and this rifle will usually do less than a minute of angle at this distance with my handloads. 100 yards is still a long way away. And here's the first five shots, including a cold bore shot. A fine 3/4 inch group, and if I'd kept that flier in the group, it would have been a 3/8th in group. Not bad for a cold bore group. The next model is their Field Tree Camo/Tuff-Tec 10" Shooting Rest. This rest is slightly smaller than the 15” Bench model, and is made for field use. It retails for $57.95 and this one weighs about 14 pounds when filled with cat litter. I will try my Remington 700 in .308 Winchester. It is usually a very accurate rifle on my standard benchrest set-up, so we will be able to see how it does on the Bullsbag. Here it is, in the grip of the bag. And a view from the front. I found that I had to "get down" on the bench to really get a good view through the scope. Here goes, at 100 yards. Five shots through a cold bore. A measured 3/4 inch for 5 shots. Not bad. Conclusions: 1. This system worked as advertised. 2. It is a good one-piece system for sighting in and shooting from a bench. 3. I believe it would especially be good for non-bench applications, such as in the field for shooting off a boulder, or a log, or even the hood of a car or truck, where a regular front and rear bench rest system would not be applicable. 4. They are easy to transport and give a good, steady rest. 5. Will I replace my old system with these bags? I don't believe I will, as I have been using the two part system for 40+ years. But for field applications, this is a much better system In Part Two, we will look at a Bullsbag system that is designed especially for magazine fed rifles like the AR15 and for pistols. Stay tuned. Edited to add: Part Two is up. |
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I've had a Bulls Bag sand bag for a looooong time. Mine is one of the old camo ones from when they first came out. I use it for load development for rifles. Great help when shooting across the chronograph also. Helps keep the rifle nice and steady.
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Is the first bag reviewed (the black one) the same height as the field bag (cammo one)? Is the field bag lower? Just saw how you had to get down on the bench and was wondering if that was due to the rifle or the bag?
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Is the first bag reviewed (the black one) the same height as the field bag (cammo one)? Is the field bag lower? Just saw how you had to get down on the bench and was wondering if that was due to the rifle or the bag? The field bag may be slightly lower than the bench bag. But the reason I had to get lower on the bench is due to the height of the bench and bag and the height of the rifle and scope. It would be different depending on where you placed it. If it was on the roof of a car, for example, you would be able to stand up and shoot with it. |
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Interesting. Maybe one about half the length of the full size bag and fill it with plastic bb's.
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Interesting. Maybe one about half the length of the full size bag and fill it with plastic bb's. The filler is a critical part. Of course, heavier stuff might be desirable for the steadiness, but they would be very heavy with sand or lead shot. Plastic BBs might work. They filled mine with cat litter, which seems to be a good compromise. The next one I will demonstrate is shorter and taller, with removable compartments. We'll see how it works. |
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Good review. Very similar to my results using a Caldwell 'X' shaped bag (unfilled) from Midway.
I filled mine up with walnut tumbling media,which seemed to work well. I used it for testing an optimal charge weight developed series of loads in my bull barreled AR. Best groups were around .9" at 100yds for 10 shot groups. I found the rest to be VERY solid,and far more restrictive of horizontal wandering than my standard 'U' or 'V' sandbag bench setups due to the longer supportive length fore-aft. It fit really well on my car hood as well. Things that that needed improvement: -the bag's gripping surfaces,which could have been a bit tackier/grippier - The bag tended to sag down,as seen in your shots. This made it problematic for even a 20rd mag in an AR. That said,I just slid it back together a bit,and it worked fine for 2-5 shots. Could get annoying on a long prairie dog/groundhog shoot though. Looking forward to seeing the AR adapted model! |
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I had a similar bag years ago.
The downfall with it, and I would be afraid of the same happening to these bags, is the way the should strap is fixed to the bag. 20+ pounds bouncing on your shoulder from the car to the bench beats the stitching in that area something fierce. Mine lasted a few years, then threads started popping. And that was that. |
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Thanks O_P, looking forward to Pt 2. Yes. I'm about to swap my 700P out of the HS Precision stock into an AICS magazine-fed chassis. |
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Interesting design, unfortunately if it's successful some chinese company will rip off the design, make it out of old potato sacks and sell it for $ 30
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I had a similar bag years ago. The downfall with it, and I would be afraid of the same happening to these bags, is the way the should strap is fixed to the bag. 20+ pounds bouncing on your shoulder from the car to the bench beats the stitching in that area something fierce. Mine lasted a few years, then threads started popping. And that was that. That area looks like it is stiched very thoroughly. I think it looks tough enough to hold up on these bags. |
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great review.
thank you for being so consistent, and continuing to provide so much value to the site. |
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My favorite range around here has a similar type bag and they really are great. We are forced by the rules to sit, even when firing pistol so its important to have a decent rest when firing and this does it.
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So the bag grips enough that you don't use rear sandbags? That's pretty cool.
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I have an identical 700 VLS in .308... love that rifle.
- AG |
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Interesting design, unfortunately if it's successful some chinese company will rip off the design, make it out of old potato sacks and sell it for $ 30 That 'X' design with a carry strap has been sold for a few years. It's long since been "made generic". My Caldwell (PAST) model was about $25 unfilled. I think it's about $40 filled. |
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I filled my large bag with sand. Made it heavy as he'll. But only used it as a bench tool. It is a great set up. I finally broke down and bought the smaller bag to use with mag fed rifles. I use a small sock filled with black eyed peas for the small rear sock.
The Bulls Bags are tough bags. I've had mine a long time. It's a bit faded. But the stitching is still tight and the cells are in good shape. I give them a big thumbs up if you do lots of load development. |
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great review. thank you for being so consistent, and continuing to provide so much value to the site. Thanks, and you're welcome. |
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Looks better than the bean filled sock I use. That's a pretty safe bet. |
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Do they offer just the bag with a zipper and let the user buy a bag of kitty litter?
I've used old jeans legs to make kitty litter rests before. I'll have to sew a "V" in mine now. |
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I've used these bull bags for years, they are great. I have filled all of mine with sand, very heavy but equally stable.
I have a smaller Browning bag (same design) that is fantastic for shooting over the truck hood, or just about any time you need an improvised rest near the vehicle. |
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Do they offer just the bag with a zipper and let the user buy a bag of kitty litter? I've used old jeans legs to make kitty litter rests before. I'll have to sew a "V" in mine now. Yes, you can buy them with or without filler. The filled ones are slightly more expensive and I suppose cost more to ship. They have detailed instructions on how to fill them. It is not difficult. |
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Caldwell sells a similar rest called the Tack Driver:
http://www.nextag.com/Caldwell-Tack-Driver-Unfilled-66549007/prices-html A friend has one, he likes it a lot. |
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Caldwell sells a similar rest called the Tack Driver: http://www.nextag.com/Caldwell-Tack-Driver-Unfilled-66549007/prices-html A friend has one, he likes it a lot. Yup,that's what I've got. It works. |
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I've used these bull bags for years, they are great. I have filled all of mine with sand, very heavy but equally stable. I have a smaller Browning bag (same design) that is fantastic for shooting over the truck hood, or just about any time you need an improvised rest near the vehicle. I'll talk more about improvised shooting positions in Part Two. |
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I have an identical 700 VLS in .308... love that rifle. - AG It shoots much better than it costs. |
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One concern I have it that they might degrade over time.
Cat litter is known for being dusty. After being slapped for a year or two, will the clay break down and fall out or support the rifle less effectively? |
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One concern I have it that they might degrade over time. Cat litter is known for being dusty. After being slapped for a year or two, will the clay break down and fall out or support the rifle less effectively? I haven't had them for two years, so I can't honestly say. But the bags have very thick material on them. I doubt that they would leak dust. |
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Every time I read one of your posts I want to go to the range... too bad there isn't a decent one close by , though probably good for my pocketbook.
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Every time I read one of your posts I want to go to the range... too bad there isn't a decent one close by , though probably good for my pocketbook. Give me a holler some time and you can meet me at the public range where I shoot. I go all the time. |
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I forgot to say thanks, too. I look forward to learning new things in these threads-o-truth.
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I forgot to say thanks, too. I look forward to learning new things in these threads-o-truth. You bet! I learn things too. |
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The difference in the Caldwell “H” design vs. the BULLS BAG “X” engineering is a critical improvement with its weight and balance distribution. The “H” design i.e. Caldwell is a 50/50 distribution and when you put the gun in the cradle, the weight is above the CG (center-of-gravity). The BULLS BAG uses a 30/70 or a 20/80, depending on model… distribution which solves the problem you have in your shooting rest.
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The bags are offered filled and unfilled and have military grade Velcro openings (Filler Spouts) that require nothing more then a firm squeeze to get the to seal.
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Let me help clarify Caldwell vs. Bulls Bag.
The difference in the Caldwell “H” design vs. the BULLS BAG “X” engineering is a critical improvement with its weight and balance distribution. The “H” design i.e. Caldwell is a 50/50 distribution and when you put the gun in the cradle, the weight is above the CG (center-of-gravity). The BULLS BAG uses a 30/70 or a 20/80, depending on model. It is also known that the “H” design exist, because Bulls Bag has a patent and hinge action, not provided in their products. They are not comparable when it comes to job 1… Accuracy and Repeatability. Bulls Bag guarantees to outperform their design, along with other design with a double your money-back promise! |
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Caldwell does not offer an "X" design... it’s an "H" design and can not hold the gun a securely and steady as Bulls Bag. Take the challenge and see for your self!
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The Bulls Bag Co. engineer its design to harness just the forearm with no rear rest needed, so there is no additional pressure-point on the gun.
This spreads the weight distribution over a greater surface area and does not negatively affect your point-of-contact! |
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I use one with a large adjustable metal plate under it on the bench - solid and micro adjustments.
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Great write up, as usual.
I've used a Bullsbag for many years off the bench. I use it as a rear bag and use a front rest similar to yours when I sight-in mag fed rifles such as AR's or M1A's Mine is filled with sand and is HEAVY |
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