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Posted: 7/12/2010 8:17:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/15/2010 12:49:01 PM EDT by Old_Painless]
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 8:21:37 AM EDT
Good write up OP...cant wait to see the Mag Bags
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 8:26:17 AM EDT
I've had a Bulls Bag sand bag for a looooong time. Mine is one of the old camo ones from when they first came out. I use it for load development for rifles. Great help when shooting across the chronograph also. Helps keep the rifle nice and steady.
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 8:27:57 AM EDT
Is the first bag reviewed (the black one) the same height as the field bag (cammo one)? Is the field bag lower? Just saw how you had to get down on the bench and was wondering if that was due to the rifle or the bag?
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 8:33:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/12/2010 8:34:19 AM EDT by Old_Painless]
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Link Posted: 7/12/2010 11:23:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/12/2010 11:26:06 AM EDT by Poodleshooter]
Good review. Very similar to my results using a Caldwell 'X' shaped bag (unfilled) from Midway.
I filled mine up with walnut tumbling media,which seemed to work well.

I used it for testing an optimal charge weight developed series of loads in my bull barreled AR. Best groups were around .9" at 100yds for 10 shot groups. I found the rest to be VERY solid,and far more restrictive of horizontal wandering than my standard 'U' or 'V' sandbag bench setups due to the longer supportive length fore-aft.

It fit really well on my car hood as well. Things that that needed improvement:
-the bag's gripping surfaces,which could have been a bit tackier/grippier
- The bag tended to sag down,as seen in your shots. This made it problematic for even a 20rd mag in an AR. That said,I just slid it back together a bit,and it worked fine for 2-5 shots. Could get annoying on a long prairie dog/groundhog shoot though.

Looking forward to seeing the AR adapted model!

Link Posted: 7/12/2010 11:23:52 AM EDT
Thanks O_P, looking forward to Pt 2.
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 11:30:42 AM EDT
I had a similar bag years ago.

The downfall with it, and I would be afraid of the same happening to these bags, is the way the should strap is fixed to the bag.

20+ pounds bouncing on your shoulder from the car to the bench beats the stitching in that area something fierce.

Mine lasted a few years, then threads started popping.

And that was that.

Link Posted: 7/12/2010 11:31:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By halloween78:
Thanks O_P, looking forward to Pt 2.


Yes. I'm about to swap my 700P out of the HS Precision stock into an AICS magazine-fed chassis.
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 11:34:11 AM EDT
Awesome O_P! Thanks!
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 11:35:18 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/12/2010 11:54:47 AM EDT
great review.

thank you for being so consistent, and continuing to provide so much value to the site.
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 11:58:16 AM EDT
My favorite range around here has a similar type bag and they really are great. We are forced by the rules to sit, even when firing pistol so its important to have a decent rest when firing and this does it.
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 12:01:15 PM EDT
Looks better than the bean filled sock I use.
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 12:07:30 PM EDT
So the bag grips enough that you don't use rear sandbags? That's pretty cool.
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 12:12:12 PM EDT
Looks like it might work a little better than my arm
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 12:16:36 PM EDT
I have an identical 700 VLS in .308... love that rifle.

- AG
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 12:30:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Interesting design, unfortunately if it's successful some chinese company will rip off the design, make it out of old potato sacks and sell it for $ 30


That 'X' design with a carry strap has been sold for a few years. It's long since been "made generic".
My Caldwell (PAST) model was about $25 unfilled. I think it's about $40 filled.
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 12:42:56 PM EDT
Thanks for another good range report O_P!
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 12:55:16 PM EDT
I filled my large bag with sand. Made it heavy as he'll. But only used it as a bench tool. It is a great set up. I finally broke down and bought the smaller bag to use with mag fed rifles. I use a small sock filled with black eyed peas for the small rear sock.

The Bulls Bags are tough bags. I've had mine a long time. It's a bit faded. But the stitching is still tight and the cells are in good shape.

I give them a big thumbs up if you do lots of load development.
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 1:07:33 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/12/2010 1:45:37 PM EDT
Do they offer just the bag with a zipper and let the user buy a bag of kitty litter?

I've used old jeans legs to make kitty litter rests before. I'll have to sew a "V" in mine now.
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 1:47:55 PM EDT
I've used these bull bags for years, they are great. I have filled all of mine with sand, very heavy but equally stable.

I have a smaller Browning bag (same design) that is fantastic for shooting over the truck hood, or just about any time you need an improvised rest near the vehicle.

Link Posted: 7/12/2010 1:52:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 1:55:50 PM EDT
Caldwell sells a similar rest called the Tack Driver:

http://www.nextag.com/Caldwell-Tack-Driver-Unfilled-66549007/prices-html

A friend has one, he likes it a lot.
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 2:08:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/12/2010 2:09:59 PM EDT by Poodleshooter]
Originally Posted By Darrellbear:
Caldwell sells a similar rest called the Tack Driver:

http://www.nextag.com/Caldwell-Tack-Driver-Unfilled-66549007/prices-html

A friend has one, he likes it a lot.

Yup,that's what I've got. It works.

Link Posted: 7/12/2010 2:10:42 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/12/2010 3:04:38 PM EDT
One concern I have it that they might degrade over time.
Cat litter is known for being dusty. After being slapped for a year or two, will the clay break down and fall out or support the rifle less effectively?
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 3:18:48 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/12/2010 5:28:07 PM EDT
Every time I read one of your posts I want to go to the range... too bad there isn't a decent one close by , though probably good for my pocketbook.
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 6:24:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/12/2010 7:12:59 PM EDT
I forgot to say thanks, too. I look forward to learning new things in these threads-o-truth.
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Link Posted: 7/20/2010 9:45:27 AM EDT
The difference in the Caldwell “H” design vs. the BULLS BAG “X” engineering is a critical improvement with its weight and balance distribution. The “H” design i.e. Caldwell is a 50/50 distribution and when you put the gun in the cradle, the weight is above the CG (center-of-gravity). The BULLS BAG uses a 30/70 or a 20/80, depending on model… distribution which solves the problem you have in your shooting rest.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 10:10:31 AM EDT
The bags are offered filled and unfilled and have military grade Velcro openings (Filler Spouts) that require nothing more then a firm squeeze to get the to seal.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 10:26:04 AM EDT
Let me help clarify Caldwell vs. Bulls Bag.

The difference in the Caldwell “H” design vs. the BULLS BAG “X” engineering is a critical improvement with its weight and balance distribution. The “H” design i.e. Caldwell is a 50/50 distribution and when you put the gun in the cradle, the weight is above the CG (center-of-gravity). The BULLS BAG uses a 30/70 or a 20/80, depending on model.

It is also known that the “H” design exist, because Bulls Bag has a patent and hinge action, not provided in their products.

They are not comparable when it comes to job 1… Accuracy and Repeatability. Bulls Bag guarantees to outperform their design, along with other design with a double your money-back promise!
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 10:28:22 AM EDT
Thank you Sir, for your extra effort in Bulls Bag regards.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 10:32:57 AM EDT
Caldwell does not offer an "X" design... it’s an "H" design and can not hold the gun a securely and steady as Bulls Bag. Take the challenge and see for your self!
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 10:41:25 AM EDT
The Bulls Bag Co. engineer its design to harness just the forearm with no rear rest needed, so there is no additional pressure-point on the gun.

This spreads the weight distribution over a greater surface area and does not negatively affect your point-of-contact!
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 12:06:48 PM EDT
I use one with a large adjustable metal plate under it on the bench - solid and micro adjustments.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 12:35:10 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 12:39:32 PM EDT
Great write up, as usual.
I've used a Bullsbag for many years off the bench.
I use it as a rear bag and use a front rest similar to yours when I sight-in mag fed rifles such as AR's or M1A's
Mine is filled with sand and is HEAVY
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