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Posted: 4/27/2014 9:54:35 AM EST
Just sitting here and was thinking about the lifespan of suppressors. I'm awaiting the approval of three.

Silencerco Sparrow- I would assume should last me a long time

Ops Model 12 for mk12 Mod1- Not sure on these- believe I read they last a long time as well?

Surefire socom 556-rc for use on MK18 with surefire brake and also use on RECCE style 16" also with Surefire Brake. I was recommended to buy the brakes as they act as a first blast shield allowing longer life. Are the 10.3" MK18 style rifles that much harder on the suppressors? Just wondering what I may expect for lifespan of the Surefire.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 10:22:50 AM EST
The sparrow should last forever.  Just replace the o-rings and clean the core every 5,000 rounds or so... assuming you have the SS core model.

All centerfire (.223, .308, etc.) suppressors have a limited lifespan due to baffle erosion.  Depending on the host, the ammo, rate of fire, etc.  For semi-auto and occassional rapid fire, you should get 20-40,000 rounds through a can before you get a significant degredation in noise reduction.  Before that point, you will see significant baffle erosion just by looking down the stack.  

I would expect your surefire to last 1/4 to 1/2 as long due to the SBR application.  

Disclaimer:  I have never worn out a suppressor... YET!  
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 10:31:51 AM EST
Thanks for the insight.

The Sparrow is the SS model.  I figured it would last awhile :)

I doubt I'll ever wear out the OPS model 12 either or the Surefire for that matter.  If I get 10k or so out of the Surefire that will be good for me.  I'll probably use it more on the 16" so that should increase the lifespan too.

Thanks!
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 12:04:48 PM EST
Oh, and using a brake mount instead of a flash hider mount or direct thread will increase the life of your baffles.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1427849_.html



Link Posted: 4/27/2014 12:18:22 PM EST
The brake on the 12th mount will take most of the blast and the can should last a long time.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 12:49:16 PM EST
I have a break on my YHM 556QD and with thousands of rounds through it on my 11.5" SBR I see no erosion of the blast baffle.

My numerous .22 suppressors just keep being shot and cleaned with no sign of any issues.

My Trident 9 is the only suppressor I have that is wearing out.  The baffles are all pitted and erosion is bad.  It has been used for some FA, but the majority is all semi.  My Trident9 is one of the very original ones.  FWIW, the reason I can tell the baffles are wearing out is because it was jailbroken by StalkingRhino.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 1:31:55 PM EST
Half of the manufacturers offer lifetime warranty so you should be good to go.....that's if you purchase one with lifetime warranty
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The purpose of a warranty is to protect the owner against loss due to defects in materials or workmanship. It does not cover wear and tear or abuse. It certainly does not cover baffle strikes from misalignment, bullet instability, etc. It does not cover misuse, such as mounting a rimfire suppressor on a .220 Swift, and so forth.

Lifespan depends on a number of factors: caliber, ammunition, host weapon, and duty cycle. There is a lot of merit in actually reading the instruction manual.
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Half of the manufacturers offer lifetime warranty so you should be good to go.....that's if you purchase one with lifetime warranty


The purpose of a warranty is to protect the owner against loss due to defects in materials or workmanship. It does not cover wear and tear or abuse. It certainly does not cover baffle strikes from misalignment, bullet instability, etc. It does not cover misuse, such as mounting a rimfire suppressor on a .220 Swift, and so forth.

Lifespan depends on a number of factors: caliber, ammunition, host weapon, and duty cycle. There is a lot of merit in actually reading the instruction manual.


I was going to post something close to this least night but this is much more refined.  Well said Sir.
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Most warranties don't cover wear and tear or negligent use. While some companies are very good about covering user mistakes at no charge, it should not be expected.
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I was going to post something close to this least night but this is much more refined.  Well said Sir.
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Half of the manufacturers offer lifetime warranty so you should be good to go.....that's if you purchase one with lifetime warranty


The purpose of a warranty is to protect the owner against loss due to defects in materials or workmanship. It does not cover wear and tear or abuse. It certainly does not cover baffle strikes from misalignment, bullet instability, etc. It does not cover misuse, such as mounting a rimfire suppressor on a .220 Swift, and so forth.

Lifespan depends on a number of factors: caliber, ammunition, host weapon, and duty cycle. There is a lot of merit in actually reading the instruction manual.


I was going to post something close to this least night but this is much more refined.  Well said Sir.


Agreed, very well said Doc!
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Most warranties don't cover wear and tear or negligent use. While some companies are very good about covering user mistakes at no charge, it should not be expected.



I can't believe some of the user mistakes that companies like SWR/Silencerco, Surefire, TB, and I'm sure others have warrantied,  recored, and even built custom mounts for the person.


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I can't believe some of the user mistakes that companies like SWR/Silencerco, Surefire, TB, and I'm sure others have warrantied,  recored, and even built custom mounts for the person.


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Most warranties don't cover wear and tear or negligent use. While some companies are very good about covering user mistakes at no charge, it should not be expected.



I can't believe some of the user mistakes that companies like SWR/Silencerco, Surefire, TB, and I'm sure others have warrantied,  recored, and even built custom mounts for the person.



links?
Link Posted: 4/28/2014 2:18:59 PM EST
Well, I look it it like this.  The more tennis shoes I have and wear throughout the year, the longer I can go before I buy more.  2-3 pairs last me a long time if I rotate them.   Moral of the cool story bro......  Buy multiple suppressors and have a variety! ......they'll last longer
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Half of the manufacturers offer lifetime warranty so you should be good to go.....that's if you purchase one with lifetime warranty


Most warranties don't cover wear and tear or negligent use. While some companies are very good about covering user mistakes at no charge, it should not be expected.



I can't believe some of the user mistakes that companies like SWR/Silencerco, Surefire, TB, and I'm sure others have warrantied,  recored, and even built custom mounts for the person.



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Here are 2 off the top of my head.  

Surefire baffle strike

surefire & ruger scout rifle

I've also read good things from SWR and Liberty.

Just Google baffle strikes and you will find people's stories and outcomes.

Surefire is one if he most expensive options out there, but I'm definitely a customer for life.
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Well, I look it it like this.  The more tennis shoes I have and wear throughout the year, the longer I can go before I buy more.  2-3 pairs last me a long time if I rotate them.   Moral of the cool story bro......  Buy multiple suppressors and have a variety! ......they'll last longer
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You're gonna cost me money!
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The purpose of a warranty is to protect the owner against loss due to defects in materials or workmanship. It does not cover wear and tear or abuse. It certainly does not cover baffle strikes from misalignment, bullet instability, etc. It does not cover misuse, such as mounting a rimfire suppressor on a .220 Swift, and so forth.





Lifespan depends on a number of factors: caliber, ammunition, host weapon, and duty cycle. In 5.56 NATO, we have had suppressors last in excess of 100,000 rounds of the 5.56 NATO ammo. I have also destroyed them (ours as well as competition) in less that 400 rounds with abusive firing cycles.





Most manufacturers spend time in doing engineering for safety and performance as well as testing. A summary of what they consider safe is in the manual that accompanies the weapon. There is a lot of merit in actually reading the instruction manual.
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Half of the manufacturers offer lifetime warranty so you should be good to go.....that's if you purchase one with lifetime warranty






The purpose of a warranty is to protect the owner against loss due to defects in materials or workmanship. It does not cover wear and tear or abuse. It certainly does not cover baffle strikes from misalignment, bullet instability, etc. It does not cover misuse, such as mounting a rimfire suppressor on a .220 Swift, and so forth.





Lifespan depends on a number of factors: caliber, ammunition, host weapon, and duty cycle. In 5.56 NATO, we have had suppressors last in excess of 100,000 rounds of the 5.56 NATO ammo. I have also destroyed them (ours as well as competition) in less that 400 rounds with abusive firing cycles.





Most manufacturers spend time in doing engineering for safety and performance as well as testing. A summary of what they consider safe is in the manual that accompanies the weapon. There is a lot of merit in actually reading the instruction manual.
Unless one is shooting 30k rounds a year then of course it'll wear faster but manufacturers they will stand behind it as this one as stated below:  that's if they can't fix it but 50% of the time they can swap out internal parts for very reasonable cost.

 






in its sole and absolute discretion, that a returned suppressor is not covered under this warranty, for any reason, you may purchase a replacement product at 75% off the suggested retail price.   LINK

 
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in its sole and absolute discretion, that a returned suppressor is not covered under this warranty, for any reason, you may purchase a replacement product at 75% off the suggested retail price.   LINK
 
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As someone with four SiCo cans currently pending, I've read through that multiple times. But, I've misread it every time until I read your copy.

There's a big difference one little "f" makes...it says "75% off the retail price", and I'd always read "75% of the retail price. You'd still have the tax and transfer fee (if applicable) plus the wait...but every little bit would help.
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Unless one is shooting 30k rounds a year then of course it'll wear faster but manufacturers they will stand behind it as this one as stated below:  that's if they can't fix it but 50% of the time they can swap out internal parts for very reasonable cost.  

If Silencerco determines, in its sole and absolute discretion, that a returned suppressor is not covered under this warranty, for any reason, you may purchase a replacement product at 75% off the suggested retail price.   LINK
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... and this, folks, is why we buy Silencerco products. I would like a link to any bonafide story to the contrary.
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... and this, folks, is why we buy Silencerco products. I would like a link to any bonafide story to the contrary.
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Unless one is shooting 30k rounds a year then of course it'll wear faster but manufacturers they will stand behind it as this one as stated below:  that's if they can't fix it but 50% of the time they can swap out internal parts for very reasonable cost.  

If Silencerco determines, in its sole and absolute discretion, that a returned suppressor is not covered under this warranty, for any reason, you may purchase a replacement product at 75% off the suggested retail price.   LINK


... and this, folks, is why we buy Silencerco products. I would like a link to any bonafide story to the contrary.


SiCO can pending
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2 SiCO can pending
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Unless one is shooting 30k rounds a year then of course it'll wear faster but manufacturers they will stand behind it as this one as stated below:  that's if they can't fix it but 50% of the time they can swap out internal parts for very reasonable cost.  

If Silencerco determines, in its sole and absolute discretion, that a returned suppressor is not covered under this warranty, for any reason, you may purchase a replacement product at 75% off the suggested retail price.   LINK


... and this, folks, is why we buy Silencerco products. I would like a link to any bonafide story to the contrary.


2 SiCO can pending

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