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I seriously need to learn how to do this stuff...
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pretty cool, how do they shoot?
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Not sure what the point is, but that's cool as hell.
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Originally Posted By Claybrook:
Not sure what the point is, but that's cool as hell. I'd think they'd be quite a bit cheaper to reload than buying JHP bullets. |
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Neat. I knew some people made bullets for .223 Rem out of .22 LR cases + lead wire by a similar process, but hadn't seen it done for anything larger.
What about the fact that a 9mm case is significantly smaller than .400" diameter, both at the rim and farther up the case? The diagram in my Lee reloading manual shows a case diameter of 0.391" at the web, just forward of the extractor groove. Of course, those are dimensions for new, unfired 9mm cases. Does 9mm brass expand enough when fired to make up the difference? I know my 10mm brass expands near the web, going from 0.420-0.421" on new brass to near 0.429" after the first firing. Sizing gets it back down to about 0.425". I don't reload 9mm, so I don't know the numbers for it. |
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Seen this before, but always amazed at how cool it is that this stuff can be done.
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Can you imagine the chaos these would cause if used in a crime? CSI would go into a full tailspin with these bullets.
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Sure looks like a lot of work.... How much time to swage brass and cast bullet to finished product
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Imperial Wax works like Astro Glide. So slick it just falls out.
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Originally Posted By 1911smith:
Sure looks like a lot of work.... How much time to swage brass and cast bullet to finished product Well, you can cast bullets with a LEE 6-banger pretty darn fast. Takes 2-3 seconds to drop in the core and 3-4 seconds to swage the bullet. Put it this way, it would take me less time, start-to-finish, to make a few hundred of these than it would take me to make the money to buy them. jonblack |
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Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL:
Can you imagine the chaos these would cause if used in a crime? CSI would go into a full tailspin with these bullets. Crime lab on the phone with other crime lab... " yeah, the whole thing, case, bullet and all,where did the powder go, WTF? " BTW those look Bad Ass |
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Assuming those pictures are yours and pictures are of your finished product, Purely from... I might be interested in doing some day. How much time to take a cast bullet and a piece of brass to swage together to finish. Curious. Looks like a lot of work and for all I know you might be working for a nickle an hour and all the water you can drink like me. If that;s the case it would take some time.
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Imperial Wax works like Astro Glide. So slick it just falls out.
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Would they swage out far enough for .45 bullets?
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Originally Posted By ontheback:
Would they swage out far enough for .45 bullets? No, but BT Sniper just made a set to make .45 bullets from .40 S&W cases. jonblack |
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Totally kewl.
When I get moved back into a place that allows me to reload, this will be on my list. |
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bt sniper makes the swage dies and parts to convert your rp to use them,pretty cool stuff
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That is pretty cool.
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Can he make a die to make a .32 into a 9mm?
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Pretty cool. I don't reload for pistol calibers right now but when I do I might have to start making my own bullets like this.
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so would this work with shot out 9mm (read: reloaded to much) or is this only for relatively new?
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Originally Posted By jonblack:
Originally Posted By ontheback:
Would they swage out far enough for .45 bullets? No, but BT Sniper just made a set to make .45 bullets from .40 S&W cases. jonblack ok, now I'm intertested, where's this at?? |
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Originally Posted By andr3w:
so would this work with shot out 9mm (read: reloaded to much) or is this only for relatively new? This would be perfect for brass case berdan primed stuff and stuff that looks a little too bad to reload. I need to see if he can work this voodoo on 9mm to .410 bullets.... Voodoo |
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Pure lead for the core?
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Originally Posted By Crowkiller:
Pure lead for the core? Whatever you have handy. |
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I just knew 9mm was worth something. Just didn't know for what until now. Finally, a worthwhile reason to pick up 9mm brass!
BTW, can't you just use lead wire instead of casting boolits first? |
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Do you have a link handy? I am extremely interested in the .40 brass into .45 projectiles swager.
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This is SOOOO tagged.
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Originally Posted By andr3w:
so would this work with shot out 9mm (read: reloaded to much) or is this only for relatively new? You are simply making a jacket. Shot out cases are fine, and would obviously be more cost effective than new ones. As long as there are no splits, there should be no problems. jonblack |
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Originally Posted By tdowell:
Originally Posted By jonblack:
Originally Posted By ontheback:
Would they swage out far enough for .45 bullets? No, but BT Sniper just made a set to make .45 bullets from .40 S&W cases. jonblack ok, now I'm intertested, where's this at?? Here you go. jonblack |
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Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
Originally Posted By andr3w:
so would this work with shot out 9mm (read: reloaded to much) or is this only for relatively new? This would be perfect for brass case berdan primed stuff and stuff that looks a little too bad to reload. I need to see if he can work this voodoo on 9mm to .410 bullets.... Voodoo I'm pretty sure that they are making them for .41 for 9mm. I know they are making them for .44 mag, too, but using .40 S&W cases, if I recall correctly. Step on over to the Swaging Forum at CastBoolits to learn more. jonblack |
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Originally Posted By NoHarmNoFAL:
Originally Posted By Crowkiller:
Pure lead for the core? Whatever you have handy. Yes, that is correct. Pure lead is going to be easier to swage than WW, but it will also be heavier. You determine your core alloy by what you want to final weight to be. I think WW makes them in the 185gr range and pure lead makes them in the 190gr range. jonblack |
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Originally Posted By GWhis:
BTW, can't you just use lead wire instead of casting boolits first? Sure, if you have lead wire in the right diameter. jonblack |
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Originally Posted By Sharpest:
Do you have a link handy? I am extremely interested in the .40 brass into .45 projectiles swager. Yes, here is the link. Unfortunately it is much more expensive than making 40 from 9. There is more equipment involved and I am sure more labor. jonblack |
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Originally Posted By 96Ag:
Can he make a die to make a .32 into a 9mm? I think they are making 9 from .380, which, in my opinion, is not cost effective. jonblack |
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I'd love to see the look on a forensic examiner's face when he comes across one of these, recovered from a body. Very cool.
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Let me clarify. BT Sniper does not make the dies themselves. He buys swage die bodies from CH4D (no I'm not going to Google them for you) and then makes internal parts like the hollow pointing punch. He sells them as a complete ready to use kit.
This concept really isn't anything new. However, advances are being made in the process that makes using spent cases as jackets more easy and affordable. jonblack |
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Now you know what to do with that AMERC, S&B, and Non-Toxic brass you have been throwing away.
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Originally Posted By jonblack:
Originally Posted By GWhis:
BTW, can't you just use lead wire instead of casting boolits first? Sure, if you have lead wire in the right diameter. jonblack Corbin has Lead wire for sale in 70,000 grn spools for $39.00/spool. Less Shipping???? They have .312", .340", .365" plus other sizes of course. Corbin Link Noticing that the ram presses into the tip to make the hollow point, I can see why your upsidedown bullets are used...gives somewhere for the swaged metal to go. So it would seem that lead wire would have to be smaller in diameter. So what diameter is the lead bullets you used?....or you could link us to the thread that says. (for 9mm to .40 cal) Corbin also makes swage dies for .22 cases to .223 bullets.....was really tempted about the time the Obama nightmare started. http://www.corbins.com/kit-224.htm Their all you need kit is $180. |
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Originally Posted By jonblack:
Originally Posted By ontheback:
Would they swage out far enough for .45 bullets? No, but BT Sniper just made a set to make .45 bullets from .40 S&W cases. jonblack WOW, they should be able to make a swagging die for the .429 form .40 S&W too! |
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I would be very interested if this is a viable option for forming 10mm auto bullets...
Has anyone tried that? |
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Originally Posted By rangermonroe:
and Obama might turn out to be a good President, and skittles might fly out of my ass and turn into unicorn seeds. All are equally likely. |
That's awesome. Would the bullets be safe in poly rifling?
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Originally Posted By Wayward_Texan:
I would be very interested if this is a viable option for forming 10mm auto bullets... Has anyone tried that? Here's a secret: 10mm bullets are the same as .40 bullets. There is at least one person over there using these in 10mm. jonblack |
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Originally Posted By TheMountaineer:
That's awesome. Would the bullets be safe in poly rifling? They are jacketed. IIRC, the whole poly rifling thing revolves around lead buildup. jonblack |
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Originally Posted By TheMountaineer:
That's awesome. Would the bullets be safe in poly rifling? Not sure why they wouldnt be |
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Originally Posted By GWhis:
Corbin also makes swage dies for .22 cases to .223 bullets.....was really tempted about the time the Obama nightmare started. http://www.corbins.com/kit-224.htm Their all you need kit is $180. While that sure would be nice, your price is not accurate. Straight for the price list on Corbin's site: * KIT-224R –––––– Make free .224 bullets from fired .22 cases ––- 803.00 You may have been thinking about the jacket maker die alone, which derims the .22 cases, but does nothing else. Again, from the price list at Corbin's site: * RFJM-22R –––––– Rimfire Jacket-Maker, FREE .224 jackets. –––––– 179.00 jonblack |
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Originally Posted By GWhis:
BTW, can't you just use lead wire instead of casting boolits first? Hey GWhis Here is some food for thought: I read about another guy who just dunked the 9mm brass into the lead pot. He said it would fill the case and anneal the brass at the same time for easier swaging. Of course I tried it. I couldn't get it to work right dunking so I started filling the cases with a ladle (not fun). It does anneal the case, but it seemed to put too much lead in the case. I did it just for fun as I have the mold to cast the cores anyway. Maybe if the cases were shortened, but that adds more work. jonblack |
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This is SO cool, I am going to need to do this when I have the time .... (20 years from now when I am retired)
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very cool.
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