Quoted: you raise a good point. i suppose i'll have to spend the extra cash and buy the leicas...
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Not at all. There are some "budget" laser rangefinder choices, which will serve very well. I suggested the Burris as the "sleeper" (poor glass, big, but ranges well). There are some others in that same category. You could find an old used non-scan Leica 1200, probably. The Leica Geovids combine top of the line binoculars (ie, equal to my Ultravids) and a laser. But for most people, they would be a luxery choice, not a "need it" choice.
when you say that using the mils is error prone, how much error can i actually have? 10%? 20%? most of the range i'll be shooting at will be 800 meters or less. from 600 and closer i can live with a small error. when i say small i mean less than 10%...
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You can have 100% error, or very little error. Ranging with mils is a mental process involving math, which is error prone in the field, especially if you are in a hurry. I'm an engineer, and I shoot with machinists, etc, -- people who work with numbers and math all the time. Virtually all of them agree that any process you have to do with math or figurin' stuff in the field is error prone. I've seen people turn windage knobs the wrong way, subtract 3.5 from 15 and get 10.5, etc.
But even if you can do the math correct every time, you need to accurately know the object size, and be able to visually make out its size in the optic relative to the reticle features. This is not as easy as you'd think, with optical imprfection, mirage, movement of the optic (ie, it wiggles as you hold it, which makes it hard to observe both "sides" of the object at once relative to the reticle). And if you don't know the size of the object accurately, you are SOL. Is that box 40 or 50" tall?
Let me relate a story. At the 2005 TACPRO sniper match, there was a stage where ALL you had to do was range two targets whose locations were pointed out to you. You had something like THREE MINUTES to look through your scope and do whatever you wanted. At the end of the three minutes, you had as much time as you wanted to "do math" (by hand, with a mildot master, or calculator). They even told you the exact dimensions of the targets beforehand. Over 2/3 of the competitors had mistakes.
i have a couple mil dot scopes i've been trying to use more and more, and i'm not too bad, but i'm also using them against known ranges to double check my judgement. i've talked to a lot of folks who were pro mil dot and of course they recommend them.
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Mildots are useful when you cannot LRF something because of IR observability, or there is something about the target that makes a LRF not work on it. Otherwise, I don't see any reason to not use the LRF. It will be WAY faster and more accurate.