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Posted: 1/8/2005 9:42:06 PM EDT
I am tossing around the idea of throwing some tan onto my M4, but am not sure if it really makes any sense to do so, and was just wondering why some of you guys did it, either aesthetically, or functionally.

Scott
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 9:57:11 PM EDT
So when I carry it in the desert, I will be invisible.

Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:01:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:06:58 PM EDT
To be different and black sticks out in the woods. OD for my Carbine and I am thinking Coyote for my rifle build
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:09:46 PM EDT
Had a green bowflaged rifle once. At night you couldn't see the damn thing at arms length.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:15:22 PM EDT
Because nothing is as conspicuous as black.
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:23:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:52:37 PM EDT
So...tan would theoretically blend in better to ANY environment?
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 10:54:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/8/2005 11:36:38 PM EDT
I didn't add it . I bought it that way . I know that black sticks out so I felt it would be better to have a little bit of OD to blend better.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 12:49:55 AM EDT
FALARAK, that is one sweet AR.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:40:55 AM EDT
As Lumpy stated above a complete black rifle stands out when viewed through NVG's. In a rural enviornment during day light black also stands out. Even painting the furniture of the gun will break up the "outline" of the gun, in a field enviornment usually the first thing you will spot is the other guy's gun (either part of it or all of it)

As a base color a darker khaki or coyote brown tends to blend in much better than the darker olive drab greens. I have also noticed that sage green (like the color of the nomex flight suits) also blends well into most enviornments.

This gun was painted with Brownell's Aluma-Hyde II Olive Drab Green. The color is more of a sage than an olive drab:



This gun has Tango Down and VLTOR coyote furniture that I took a sniper's viel (you can also use any kind of USGI net, a laundry bag, etc to get the same pattern)




Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:49:52 AM EDT
We support diversity; therefore we have colors other than Target Indicator Black. Has anyone painted his Trijicon?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:23:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:38:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 5:39:22 AM EDT by mongo001]
I did it to keep up with the Jones's and to try something different. I resisted for a long time, but the pressure became too great. I'm in the middle of my first desert tan transformation right now.

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:57:23 AM EDT
Because black shadows/silouettes at night.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:17:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I did it to keep up with the Jones's and to try something different. I resisted for a long time, but the pressure became too great. I'm in the middle of my first desert tan transformation right now.

tinypic.com/17pfe0

HOW are you doing the coloring on that one. I am going back to Iraq soon and would like to use something other than spraypaint on mine this time, any ideas
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:23:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By operator45:

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I did it to keep up with the Jones's and to try something different. I resisted for a long time, but the pressure became too great. I'm in the middle of my first desert tan transformation right now.

tinypic.com/17pfe0

HOW are you doing the coloring on that one. I am going back to Iraq soon and would like to use something other than spraypaint on mine this time, any ideas



Norrell's Moly resin, desert tan, applied with an airbrush and baked according to the enclosed directions. The buttstock and rail covers came out very nice. The receivers are giving me fits. Can't seem to get it right. The coating chips off very easily. Probably not degreasing correctly. Working to fix it soon.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:29:07 AM EDT
Because I'm a poser.



Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:30:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fizassist:
Because I'm a poser.



Aren't we all.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:31:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 7:37:29 AM EDT by Lancelot]

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
So...tan would theoretically blend in better to ANY environment?



Ever stumble across a deer, or a elk, or a moose, and not know they were there until it was to late?

Ever see any big game animal in the US that was black? Or green for that matter?

What color are most predators? (They want to hide)

What color are most prey animals? (They need to hide)

Brown or tan is natures first pick for camo. We can all learn something by that I think.....



This is my A2 with furniture done using Krylon Khaki ultra flat. It is awfully light or bright in color, almost to light. But I have found that it does break up the lines of the rifle quite well. I'll probably try to do a different color. (It is darker then it looks here)



.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:37:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I resisted for a long time, but the pressure became too great.




Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:52:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Kisara:

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I resisted for a long time, but the pressure became too great.







Yessir, I see that every time I come here.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 8:01:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 8:15:55 AM EDT by bsbg]

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
So...tan would theoretically blend in better to ANY environment?



That's why Coyote is the new "Universal" color. It even works here in evergreen New England.

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 8:30:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mongo001:

Originally Posted By operator45:

Originally Posted By mongo001:
I did it to keep up with the Jones's and to try something different. I resisted for a long time, but the pressure became too great. I'm in the middle of my first desert tan transformation right now.

tinypic.com/17pfe0

HOW are you doing the coloring on that one. I am going back to Iraq soon and would like to use something other than spraypaint on mine this time, any ideas



Norrell's Moly resin, desert tan, applied with an airbrush and baked according to the enclosed directions. The buttstock and rail covers came out very nice. The receivers are giving me fits. Can't seem to get it right. The coating chips off very easily. Probably not degreasing correctly. Working to fix it soon.

What is best for a stailess barrle and let me know if you get the receiver figured out thanks
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 8:45:16 AM EDT
Black AR furniture gets uncomfortably hot to hold when sitting in the sun on 100+ degree days.

I like that it breaks up the outline a little too.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 8:46:35 AM EDT
Mine is green I work in the woods.


hey didle,didle put them in the middle
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 8:54:07 AM EDT
I hardly ever post, but USMC03,

That "sage" rifle of yours is the nicest rifle I think I've ever seen!! Not mall nija nonsense like many peoples rifles on here. Just a solid, nice looking tactical rifle.

WELL DONE!!!

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 8:58:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By v188:
I hardly ever post, but USMC03,

That "sage" rifle of yours is the nicest rifle I think I've ever seen!! Not mall nija nonsense like many peoples rifles on here. Just a solid, nice looking tactical rifle.

WELL DONE!!!




Thank you


Link Posted: 1/9/2005 9:55:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 9:56:06 AM EDT by PALADIN-hgwt]

Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
So...tan would theoretically blend in better to ANY environment?



Brown or tan is natures first pick for camo. We can all learn something by that I think.....

This is my A2 with furniture done using Krylon Khaki ultra flat. It is awfully light or bright in color, almost to light. But I have found that it does break up the lines of the rifle quite well. I'll probably try to do a different color. (It is darker then it looks here)

.



I did my SP1 with Krylon flat Khaki at first, and like you found it just a little light. I later special ordered their Sand Dune color, and it was closer to what I wanted for West Texas' dry caliche river beds.

Paladin
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 10:00:28 AM EDT
Wow, just the other night I was thinking to myself how bad ass a Coyote Brown type A1 would look.


Looks good!
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 10:29:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 10:31:35 AM EDT
Ill make you a deal.

I have a steer that needs 6 months and its ready to cut up and eat.

Ill trade you that for that there purdy rifle
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 11:08:53 AM EDT
well shit, wish I didnt just plunk down money on my black VLTOR, otherwise I'd invest in some tan...
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 12:24:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
well shit, wish I didnt just plunk down money on my black VLTOR, otherwise I'd invest in some tan...



Alumahyde II works wonders .
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:29:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bigbore:

www.besthdw.com/test/sopspr.jpg



That's badass.
I really need an SPR.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:47:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bsbg:

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
So...tan would theoretically blend in better to ANY environment?



That's why Coyote is the new "Universal" color. It even works here in evergreen New England.

photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=32538



What kind of scope is that?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 1:48:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bsbg:

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
well shit, wish I didnt just plunk down money on my black VLTOR, otherwise I'd invest in some tan...



Alumahyde II works wonders .



+1 ......Aluma-Hyde II is your friend....you'll thank us later



Link Posted: 1/9/2005 2:14:47 PM EDT


I just hate black... and I've shot way too much steel to think there's anything "tactical" about black, unless you want to be a "tactical target" that is easy to see. OD green works pretty well as long as there's quite a bit of vegetation around. "Coyote" colors (that are dark enough) seem to me to be a better alternative that sort of looks green when it's in green surroundings and looks brown when it's in brown surroundings.

I've used KG Gunkote "dark earth" and Brownells Alumahyde II "coyote". I think Alumahyde "earth brown" will match KG "dark earth" pretty well, but haven't tried it yet.

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 3:25:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M11293:

Originally Posted By bsbg:

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
So...tan would theoretically blend in better to ANY environment?



That's why Coyote is the new "Universal" color. It even works here in evergreen New England.

photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=32538



What kind of scope is that?



Looks like a Schmidt & Bender 1.1–4 x 20 CQB Police Marksman II or Zenith 1.1–4 x 24.
www.schmidtbender.com/scopes_policemarksman.shtml
or
www.schmidtbender.com/scopes_zenith.shtml


Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:53:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 5:53:48 PM EDT by bsbg]

Originally Posted By kaotic:
Looks like a Schmidt & Bender 1.1–4 x 20 CQB Police Marksman II or Zenith 1.1–4 x 24.
www.schmidtbender.com/scopes_policemarksman.shtml
or
www.schmidtbender.com/scopes_zenith.shtml





It is an S&B CQB:

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=210280
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 6:50:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 6:52:27 PM EDT by DaveMcDonald]
For these two I have gone mostly green with some tan on my older prreban. There is a little black on both but that is going to get fixed.




I put od green Knight rails on the bottom AR since these pics were taken.

My next build will be all coyote.
Dave
edited to add that my next build that I build for me ...after the one I am building for my daughter.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 6:56:10 PM EDT
I had to refinish my Colt 9mm lower due to some corrosion-long story. I had recently purchased a SA 1911 with an OD frame. I liked the look, so I refinished the Colt in the same color. It's got sort of a reverse Armalite look, OD gun with black furniture. I had thought about refinishing my Bushy in tan, but I had the OD left over so...

FYI, I bought a "Det 1" Magpul. Great stock. KG Gun Kote doesn't adhere very well. So I tried spray paint. I got the plastic primer and then some Rust-o-leum OD paint. For some reason the paint cracked, so the paint is thicker than I wanted. However, it looks pretty good. I gotta get a pic posted.


PS If anyone wants some MILSPEC OD KG Gun Kote let me know. There is only about 2 oz missing from it; that's how long it took for me to figure out it wasn't the same as their flat OD.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:25:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 1:26:01 PM EDT by Dragonfly228]
Only for looks... As a civilian, I don't need camoflage per se.




how I did it <CLICK>
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 1:54:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 2:03:01 PM EDT
I personally use the colored furniture as an extra (hopefully redundant) reminder system to keep me from sticking the wrong mags/ammo in the wrong rifles. I use black/grey/variations thereof (urban camo, etc.) on all of my 5.56mm ARs and all of the "other" colors on my non-5.56mm ARs (e.g., Tan for my 7.62x39mm ARs, OD for my 5.45x39mm AR, Yellow for my 9mm AR, etc.). I've never had a Coyote Brown AR, but I plan to use that on my upcoming 6.8mm SPC build.

It allows me to locate/identify/grab the non-5.56mm ARs that much quicker. It's a little AR/OC, I admit - but it works for me.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 2:24:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Marksman14:
well shit, wish I didnt just plunk down money on my black VLTOR, otherwise I'd invest in some tan...



Well, you could just paint the black VLTOR to match!

I got a green collapsible M4 stock in trade for my postban but my postban M4 was sporting black furniture. $3 of OD Krylon later and the stock and hanguards matched (didn't paint the grip, and it looks fine that way). I painted the handguards first but it made the stock look pea soup green, so I ended up painting it too.

The paint has rubbed off a bit on the high spots of the front hanguards, but I still got 3/4 of the Krylon left so it is easy enough to fix.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 3:07:08 PM EDT
Heres mine, Just cant bring myself to paint the PEQ2.

Link Posted: 1/10/2005 3:11:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG36:
Heres mine, Just cant bring myself to paint the PEQ2.




Quick question 'cause I just don't know - is that velcro holding that PEQ2 on? I've seen other pics with velcro or what even appears to be electrical tape wrapped around the IR equipment like that. What's up with that?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 3:56:18 PM EDT
I'd only alumahyde something if they didnt make parts in that color.

I'd rather spend the money than spray lol.

Hey, anyone know if tango down gear in Tan matches cavalry arms tan?

Tanning my A4gery may not be a bad idea...

Scott
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 5:46:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2005 5:47:13 PM EDT by LARRYG36]
I use a strap to hold the pressure switch in place, I guess i need to spray to strap too.
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