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Posted: 5/20/2012 5:21:54 PM EDT
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Gang,
Would like to try " first " working the trigger on my Colt before spending $300.00 on a Wilson Combat or Gold Trigger set-up. I fully understand the standard mil-tec trigger pull. No problem. I need it lighter and smoother for good target practice. Are there any YouTube videos or anywhere here that I can go too? 
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Well most people will tell you don't futz with a trigger unless you know what your doing. Changing angles and such is very touchy, just a bit off and wam, you have a 1 oz. trigger, just a little the other direction and its harder then when you started. Also because Of the way they are surface hardened it is easy to ware through this hardened layer and into the soft stuff below, so while you may come up with an awesome trigger it will last maybe 100 pulls before it fails. You can try just polish, just on the engagement surfaces and that can somewhat improve the gritty feel that is Inherent in mil-spec triggers.
The problem lies in the design, it was made the battle field, and select fire capability. The angles, engagement, and lever arms speak to reliability, ease of manufactur, and room for select fire do-dads. No where in the design was trigger pull awesomeness even a consideration. Good commercial triggers have to be pretty precisely engineered to be good, edm machining is the norm. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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If I was on a budget, I'd get an ALG Trigger. It's cheaper than messing with a stock trigger and safer too. If I wasn't on a budget, I'd get a Geissele SSA or SSA-E. Both options are way under $300. |
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this is what you want here
http://www.junkyardgenius.com/firearms/ar-15/ar08.html but as someone said earlier I would not mess with changing the angles. I used this on my first build(7.62x39) along with JP enhanced spring kit. ended up with 4lb pull and very little trigger creep. I wasn't going to do any polishing so I just made sure to grease all the engagement points good. I'm very happy with it. |
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Well most people will tell you don't futz with a trigger unless you know what your doing. Changing angles and such is very touchy, just a bit off and wam, you have a 1 oz. trigger, just a little the other direction and its harder then when you started. Also because Of the way they are surface hardened it is easy to ware through this hardened layer and into the soft stuff below, so while you may come up with an awesome trigger it will last maybe 100 pulls before it fails. You can try just polish, just on the engagement surfaces and that can somewhat improve the gritty feel that is Inherent in mil-spec triggers. The problem lies in the design, it was made the battle field, and select fire capability. The angles, engagement, and lever arms speak to reliability, ease of manufactur, and room for select fire do-dads. No where in the design was trigger pull awesomeness even a consideration. Good commercial triggers have to be pretty precisely engineered to be good, edm machining is the norm. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Thank you for that info. It is about what I figured with the military intent of the rifle's trigger system. I have a new Colt carbine and an old ( 20 years ? ) Colt AR A2 rifle. The old rifle's trigger is allot better than the new carbine. Possibly because of many thousands of rounds through the rifle in the last 20 or so years? I can live with the old rifle's trigger pull but my carbine plain & simply SUCKS! I might try and lightly polish the parts and see what happens. I will heed your warnings! If I am not happy with the results, I'll probably go buy the " Gold Trigger ". |
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Polishing the contact points with a leather strope and polishing compound will do a lot, however I would stay away from pulling out sandpaper or a grinder.
You could send your trigger to Bill Springfield - I think Triggerwork.net. Done two triggers for me and they are superb for only around $50. Send him your old one, modifies it to a match grade feel and sends it back. I second the ALG Triggers - I did a little review on them and they are excellent. Here is the if it will be helpful http://www.majorpandemic.com/2012/05/alg-defense-qms-act-ar15-trigger-review.html |
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The more I look at them ALG triggers the more I like them! Target shooting and Armageddon is about all my carbine will be used for.  I have two Geissele SSAs and, in my opinion, they are outstanding and, as mentioned, much less than $300. If the Wilson is any better, it is near miraculous. But, in the end, it is YOUR money to waste. 
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Have you read this?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/544583_Trigger_work_.html About 1/4 way down first page, post by kwrangln. I have done this (except cutting the hammer) to 4 AR's. I have used both 3.5 and 4.5 spring sets. With a stock trigger you can't really tell the difference between the two spring kits. The biggest improvement is removing the creep. It is the best 11 bucks (spring kit + set screw) I ever spent. If by some chance you FUBAR it then buy what you would like. |
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Have you read this? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/544583_Trigger_work_.html About 1/4 way down first page, post by kwrangln. I have done this (except cutting the hammer) to 4 AR's. I have used both 3.5 and 4.5 spring sets. With a stock trigger you can't really tell the difference between the two spring kits. The biggest improvement is removing the creep. It is the best 11 bucks (spring kit + set screw) I ever spent. If by some chance you FUBAR it then buy what you would like. Thank you. I'll take this into consideration.
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The more I look at them ALG triggers the more I like them! Target shooting and Armageddon is about all my carbine will be used for. I have two Geissele SSAs and, in my opinion, they are outstanding and, as mentioned, much less than $300. If the Wilson is any better, it is near miraculous. But, in the end, it is YOUR money to waste.
Go to: SSA I like the safety built into this SSA. Also I like the non-adjustability too! |
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