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Posted: 6/30/2012 11:05:05 AM EDT
Hey guys,

I am new to the AR world and am looking at various complete AR to get my feet wet.  I have narrowed it down to the following guns due to budget:  Bushmaster Superlight with RedDot, Sig M400 enhanced, and Windham MPC A4.  Kind of leaning to the Windham but wanted to get some opinions (these models or others I should consider)...before anyone jumps on the its cheaper to build your own bandwagon-that is not where I am at right now.  Want to get my feet wet and used to this platform and then take it to the next level with a personal build.  Any opinions would be appreciated.


Chris
Long live the republic...the republic of Texas that is.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:15:45 AM EDT
From one newbie to another, No AR then just get a colt 6920. That's what I did. Had none, needed one, done deal. Got about 500 rds w/ IS.Runs great.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:19:21 AM EDT
My first AR15 was a Bushmaster Modular Carbine about 10 years & 8,000 rounds ago. Though it has changed over the years with various modifications, it has only gotten better with age and still is my go to rifle. Everyone that shoots it cant believe its a bushy....I know this rifle through & through. Every bit of work done to it has been achieve with my own hands. So my choice for your first would be the Bushmaster. But I would recommend the standard M4.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 11:49:37 AM EDT
Dont waste your money on the rifle with the red dot sight. It is most likely garbage. I would look into pretty much any M4 configuration rifle from a reputable manufacturer. Windham is good. Colt is great. They can be had for about 1000, check here.

http://dsgarms.com/Category/3_1/Rifles.aspx
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:01:05 PM EDT
If the bushmaster has carbonfiber receiver, definitely no.  Unless the reddot coming on a gun is an EOTech, Aimpoint, or even Vortex, it isn't worth it.  

The Sig or Wyndham would be better choices.  Colts can be had for good deals lately too.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 12:34:49 PM EDT
Another vote for the Colt 6920 here.  Worth a few more dollars, IMO.  My LGS sells them for $1073.

Good luck.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 2:33:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/30/2012 2:34:17 PM EDT by JW1069]
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 2:36:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JW1069:
On a budget, the S&W M&P Sport, hands down.  These commonly sell for around $650.


PLUS ONE and it's pretty lightweight.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 2:46:30 PM EDT
http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/CO6920.aspx



Colt 6920 M4 Carbine roll markings.



$995.00



NOTHING ELSE WILL COME CLOSE for that amount of money.



Im not a Colt fanboy, although I do own one of the LE6920's  and love it.  This is just too good of a price for a Colt to pass up.


 
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 3:08:57 PM EDT
I'll second the vote for the S&W M&P Sport.  I have a friend who bought one as his first AR.  He loves it and I was very favorably impressed with what you get for only about $650.  If you're in the $1000 price range, the Colt is the obvious choice.  The Sig seems like a reasonably solid piece of kit too, though, if you can't find a Colt in your area.

Stay away from the carbon Bushmasters.  They have a terrible reputation for durability (because of a serious lack thereof).
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 3:36:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JoeyIsaacs:
http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/CO6920.aspx

Colt 6920 M4 Carbine roll markings.

$995.00

NOTHING ELSE WILL COME CLOSE for that amount of money.

Im not a Colt fanboy, although I do own one of the LE6920's  and love it.  This is just too good of a price for a Colt to pass up.
 


+1 This,  or go to Walmart and get one for $1073...   Knowing what I know today I'd probably get a 6940 and be done... instead of getting BRD  from this miserable  hobby and spending thousands......
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 10:08:39 AM EDT



Originally Posted By OrangeLazarus:



Originally Posted By JoeyIsaacs:

http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/CO6920.aspx



Colt 6920 M4 Carbine roll markings.



$995.00



NOTHING ELSE WILL COME CLOSE for that amount of money.



Im not a Colt fanboy, although I do own one of the LE6920's  and love it.  This is just too good of a price for a Colt to pass up.

 




+1 This,  or go to Walmart and get one for $1073...   Knowing what I know today I'd probably get a 6940 and be done... instead of getting BRD  from this miserable  hobby and spending thousands......


Your Wally World has em for $1073?  DAMN!  Thats cheaper than one I saw in Pigeon Forge, TN ($1093) and London, KY ($1097).  Both within the last month and half.  I hope it is that the prices are still dropping.  I think I might wanna grab one of those with the M4 Carbine markings.  Mine has the LEO Restricted markings on it.



 
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 11:59:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JoeyIsaacs:
http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/CO6920.aspx

Colt 6920 M4 Carbine roll markings.

$995.00

NOTHING ELSE WILL COME CLOSE for that amount of money.

Im not a Colt fanboy, although I do own one of the LE6920's  and love it.  This is just too good of a price for a Colt to pass up.
 


They are running a July 4th sale, so it'll come out ot $965 for the 6920.

From their ad:
Receive $15 OFF all orders that are $250 or more or $30 OFF orders over $500. Codes: JULY4TH250 for orders over $250 and JULY4TH500 for orders over $500. Promotion codes expire at midnight on the 6th of July.
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 12:32:48 PM EDT
I have a DPMS A2 HBAR I traded for to be able to shoot with my son who has a S&W 15T, the S&W Sport is a great rifle for the price and the quality is top of the line S&W. The Sport has a melinite 5R barrel and is very accurate.

S&W M&P15 Sport review by Nutnfancy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YdpE6Lpw9E

M&P™ 15 Sport

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Category4_750001_750051_757785_-1_757784_757784_image
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 12:35:22 PM EDT
Another vote for the Colt 6920... Very nice base platform carbine
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 12:42:47 PM EDT
Another vote for the S&W Sport. It's a great way to get started without spending a lot of money and still have a quality rifle.

You're going to get a lot of Colt fanboys that are going to say "Just buy a Colt"

BCM makes a good quality AR, and so does Daniel Defense. Noveske is considered to be a top-tier company in terms of quality but they are also much more expensive. A lot of it will depend on how much you are willing to spend.
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 1:39:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2012 1:45:54 PM EDT by Espos1111]
+1 on the Colt at Wal-mart. I know, I know its Wal-mart but it is still a Colt and no wait for it to ship. What is your price range?

[edit] I'm not saying buy a Colt because its a Colt (sounds that way though) but because it is available at a decent price. I could also recommend Rock River Arms. I know there are haters out there but I have an A2 that is a really nice shooter.
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 1:48:16 PM EDT
I have a windham and will buy another...great rifle
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 3:45:07 PM EDT
I've never heard of Windham before today's 4ish new threads, all started by brand new members, all mentioning Windham AR's.  Weird.  I guess I need to start paying more attention to AR manufacturers.
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 3:52:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2012 3:53:43 PM EDT by hotbiggun42]
I would strongly recommend the Spikes mid length from Aim Surplus for $770. I am pretty sure that is the best deal going right now. Use the notify when in and buy it quickly.

Aim
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 3:53:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:
I've never heard of Windham before today's 4ish new threads, all started by brand new members, all mentioning Windham AR's.  Weird.  I guess I need to start paying more attention to AR manufacturers.


I think those are Bushmaster retreads.
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 4:26:55 PM EDT



Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:



Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:

I've never heard of Windham before today's 4ish new threads, all started by brand new members, all mentioning Windham AR's.  Weird.  I guess I need to start paying more attention to AR manufacturers.




I think those are Bushmaster retreads.


I like what you did there!  



 
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 4:27:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By hotbiggun42:
Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:
I've never heard of Windham before today's 4ish new threads, all started by brand new members, all mentioning Windham AR's.  Weird.  I guess I need to start paying more attention to AR manufacturers.


I think those are Bushmaster retreads.


Windham is the old (better) bushmaster. Bushmaster was bought by the Remington group. Windham opened the old bushmaster plant with the old bushmaster employees.
Windham is GTG!
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 4:29:01 PM EDT
OP, what is your budget?

Link Posted: 7/2/2012 4:33:43 PM EDT
Of the three you named, I'd pick the M400. Not even close for me. Of the three, the Bushmaster is also easily a no-go for me.

If you are prepared to look outside the three, the Colt is a very good suggestion, 6720 or 6920.

Link Posted: 7/2/2012 5:53:06 PM EDT
OP, isn't it great that you narrow down your choice to 3 rifles and you get 20 different brands suggested?  The Windham is good to go.  Their customer service has been talked about on a couple of threads here also.



If you can find it, there is a thread about a Windham owner who lost a detent spring changing out a part.  He called them to order another spring, and they sent it to him free of charge.  I know it wasn't an expensive part, but they took care of him when it wasn't their obligation to and that is worth it's weight in confidence.  Check their industry website here and look at all the happy owners.


 
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:00:38 PM EDT
read this:


http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3366202#Post3366202
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