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Link Posted: 5/10/2022 1:33:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By IHC53:
Shut the hell up and TAKE MY MONEY
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What he said!  
Link Posted: 5/10/2022 2:02:00 PM EDT
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Mike,

I realize you are a very busy man. I just have one question for you. When do you project to have these barrels and stripped upper and lower receivers for sale where we can order them? June or July of this year?
Link Posted: 5/10/2022 9:05:06 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/10/2022 10:12:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Got some anodizing samples yesterday.

Getting closer. I’m going to have them go a hair darker.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/64670C49-0D8C-4BB1-A35C-8FEF7AD22DD2-2371136.jpg
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I for one can't wait for the powers to become available. I have some new Capco uppers I bought several years ago from Ohio Ordnance Works that would look good on those!
Link Posted: 5/10/2022 10:26:57 PM EDT
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Mike, you gonna do fixed power 4X carry handle scopes?  
Link Posted: 5/10/2022 10:56:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
These are 1/7, rifle extension.
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May you be richly blessed.
Link Posted: 5/11/2022 8:04:56 AM EDT
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I realize that this would be down the road, but since PSA has some experience making 1911s, what are the chances that there could be a proper 1911A1 since you know, retro?
Link Posted: 5/11/2022 12:34:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
I realize that this would be down the road, but since PSA has some experience making 1911s, what are the chances that there could be a proper 1911A1 since you know, retro?
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FIFY.
Link Posted: 5/11/2022 12:55:15 PM EDT
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FIFY.
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
I realize that this would be down the road, but since PSA has some experience making 1911s, what are the chances that there could be a proper 1911A1 since you know, retro?


FIFY.

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Honestly I think they’re close enough that production of one would make production of the other a nonissue.
Link Posted: 5/11/2022 1:06:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By backbencher:


FIFY.
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I would be so down for a 1911 A nothing.
Link Posted: 5/11/2022 4:02:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Got some anodizing samples yesterday.

Getting closer. I’m going to have them go a hair darker.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/64670C49-0D8C-4BB1-A35C-8FEF7AD22DD2-2371136.jpg
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Lol, I think that looks just fine but a bit darker is also fine.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 10:17:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:

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Honestly I think they’re close enough that production of one would make production of the other a nonissue.
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1911 series is a higher order of complexity like making Garands or a semi M14 clone. All parts except for the grips will be steel that has to be machined and the frame and slide require a number of operations.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 10:32:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks:

1911 series is a higher order of complexity like making Garands or a semi M14 clone. All parts except for the grips will be steel that has to be machined and the frame and slide require a number of operations.
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Originally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks:
Originally Posted By Sputnik556:

whycantwehaveboth.gif

Honestly I think they’re close enough that production of one would make production of the other a nonissue.

1911 series is a higher order of complexity like making Garands or a semi M14 clone. All parts except for the grips will be steel that has to be machined and the frame and slide require a number of operations.

Correct, but PSA already makes/made 1911s, so they should be familiar.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 12:02:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:

Correct, but PSA already makes/made 1911s, so they should be familiar.
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
Originally Posted By HenryKnoxFineBooks:
Originally Posted By Sputnik556:

whycantwehaveboth.gif

Honestly I think they’re close enough that production of one would make production of the other a nonissue.

1911 series is a higher order of complexity like making Garands or a semi M14 clone. All parts except for the grips will be steel that has to be machined and the frame and slide require a number of operations.

Correct, but PSA already makes/made 1911s, so they should be familiar.


Yes they did.  Though I suspect they had them made by a sub-contractor with a variance for marking.

I still have two to finish at some point.
Link Posted: 5/20/2022 11:57:51 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/20/2022 12:43:12 PM EDT
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Ooooooo love it. Can't wait
Link Posted: 5/20/2022 8:02:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Update time:

Going to be getting my samples shipped out today. Looks like they are getting it figured out.

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So when is the special ARFCOM group buy on H&R samples?

Link Posted: 5/21/2022 11:11:41 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By grondike:

So when is the special ARFCOM group buy on H&R samples?

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Yeah, what he said!
Link Posted: 5/21/2022 12:38:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Got some anodizing samples yesterday.

Getting closer. I’m going to have them go a hair darker.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/64670C49-0D8C-4BB1-A35C-8FEF7AD22DD2-2371136.jpg
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Will you be offering black anodizing as well as the grey?
Link Posted: 5/21/2022 8:44:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/22/2022 11:44:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:



Yes, pretty much every receiver except the 601 lower will be offered in both gray and black.

The black A2 and C7 uppers will probably be a DPMS branded product however.
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I can deal with DPMS, as long as the C7's are machined correctly, and available with or without M4 feedramps.
Link Posted: 5/22/2022 2:26:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:



Yes, pretty much every receiver except the 601 lower will be offered in both gray and black.

The black A2 and C7 uppers will probably be a DPMS branded product however.
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I'll just say it. There isn't a reason the DPMS name needs to keep going. Let it die. I don't want a DPMS branded lower/rifle period. I was planning on buying an A2 and would prefer to just have a PSA or H&R branded gun. If they are going to actually be well made correctly, parts are fine. But again why do we need to bring the name back from the dead when there really isn't anything of historical significance, unique, or quality to go back to? Just use the PSA brand.

It is also sort of like the ammo market, companies keep bringing out lines of ammo just to use the ancient brand name that they had acquired years ago but at the end user level it just makes being a consumer more confusing because it becomes difficult to differentiate the products.

While I am on the subject, if you get to retro AR10s, please don't use the "DPMS" receiver standard that is incorrect and never should have existed at all that haunts the AR10 market to this day.
Link Posted: 5/22/2022 2:54:24 PM EDT
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I see I am a latecomer to this news. I have ordered from NoDak Spud quite a bit in the past for AK builds and always appreciated the quality.

I hope it all works out and am excited to see what comes from this.
Link Posted: 5/22/2022 3:27:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RedFox1911:  I'll just say it. There isn't a reason the DPMS name needs to keep going. Let it die. I don't want a DPMS branded lower/rifle period. I was planning on buying an A2 and would prefer to just have a PSA or H&R branded gun. If they are going to actually be well made correctly, parts are fine. But again why do we need to bring the name back from the dead when there really isn't anything of historical significance, unique, or quality to go back to? Just use the PSA brand.

It is also sort of like the ammo market, companies keep bringing out lines of ammo just to use the ancient brand name that they had acquired years ago but at the end user level it just makes being a consumer more confusing because it becomes difficult to differentiate the products.

While I am on the subject, if you get to retro AR10s, please don't use the "DPMS" receiver standard that is incorrect and never should have existed at all that haunts the AR10 market to this day.
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DPMS Gen 2 is a pretty nice product and hopefully JJE can bring it back - if they got the IP from the bankruptcy.  The DPMS Gen 1 is the industry standard, for good, bad, or indifferent.
Link Posted: 5/22/2022 4:30:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By backbencher:


DPMS Gen 2 is a pretty nice product and hopefully JJE can bring it back - if they got the IP from the bankruptcy.  The DPMS Gen 1 is the industry standard, for good, bad, or indifferent.
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Agreed. The only AR-10 I'm interested in is the DPMS G2.

But putting the DPMS name on AKs, as PSA has already been doing, doesn't make any sense to me. DPMS = AR in my mind.
Link Posted: 5/22/2022 4:53:28 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/22/2022 5:32:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
We are really at the beginning stages of all this. Nothing is set in stone.


And as far as the DPMS name having no significance, I strongly disagree.

They were the “PSA” of the 90’s. They showed that a small, upstart company could become a force in the gun market.

They made AR15’s affordable to the masses.
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I remember when DPMS LPK's were the go-to for AR15 home builds.
Link Posted: 5/22/2022 5:57:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gripen:
Agreed. The only AR-10 I'm interested in is the DPMS G2.

But putting the DPMS name on AKs, as PSA has already been doing, doesn't make any sense to me. DPMS = AR in my mind.
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You should take a hard look at POF.  Shorter and lighter.
Link Posted: 5/22/2022 10:04:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By backbencher:


You should take a hard look at POF.  Shorter and lighter.
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Shorter and lighter than the G2s? Will definitely have to check those out then.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 3:24:35 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/23/2022 4:06:40 PM EDT
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Looks great!
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 4:19:58 PM EDT
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Need one of them lowers real bad. And a barrel.

I can hear my A1 parts kit screaming at me from across the house. It wants built bad.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 4:26:01 PM EDT
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Any matte black NDS M16A1 uppers inbound or on the visible horizon?
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 4:42:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kabanchik:  Any matte black NDS M16A1 uppers inbound or on the visible horizon?
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Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:09:38 PM EDT
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REALLY??
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 5:39:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Got the parts in house this morning. I'm very happy with the results.

These were oiled and then wiped down.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/Oiled_samples-2394431.jpg

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Dang those are looking sweet. I've got an xm16E1 magwell looking to get welded soon but would love to have it anodized this color! Can't wait till parts are available.....
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 6:25:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Got the parts in house this morning. I'm very happy with the results.

These were oiled and then wiped down.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/Oiled_samples-2394431.jpg

ETA: my browser is showing some weird splotches that are not present on the parts.
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I'm gonna have some weird splotches on my browser if you keep posting these beautiful receivers.

Mods please don't ban me
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 11:31:56 PM EDT
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I don't mind DPMS branded A2's and such but please do not brand them Panther Arms. In California, DPMS Panther Arms is banned by name and it would be amazing to finally be able to buy a DPMS A2 rifle.
Link Posted: 5/23/2022 11:43:28 PM EDT
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The samples are look8ng good, thanks for keeping the updtes coming.
Link Posted: 5/24/2022 12:19:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
We are really at the beginning stages of all this. Nothing is set in stone.


And as far as the DPMS name having no significance, I strongly disagree.

They were the "PSA" of the 90's. They showed that a small, upstart company could become a force in the gun market.

They made AR15's affordable to the masses.
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My thoughts on DPMS exactly. One of my old roommates and I used to love running thousands of rounds through DPMS builds with no problems the days of ABC and "the chart" while others would naysay. The thread a year or so ago in which the former employee broke down some of the real behind the scenes stuff from back when proved our point more so.

I would love a new production DPMS A1 upper etc.
Link Posted: 5/24/2022 8:25:14 AM EDT
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Will the clone C7/A2 stuff be H&R, or will all of it be DPMS?
Link Posted: 5/24/2022 8:48:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
Got the parts in house this morning. I'm very happy with the results.

These were oiled and then wiped down.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/Oiled_samples-2394431.jpg

ETA: my browser is showing some weird splotches that are not present on the parts.
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That's my fetish.
Link Posted: 5/24/2022 8:48:33 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/24/2022 8:51:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:


DPMS is going to do some "retro-ish" guns in black, maybe a full M16A2.

PSA will be doing an M16A2 in black as it's a simple upper swap on the existing product.



H&R will be doing mostly build parts and some clone guns in gray and black.

There's going to be some overlap, but I'm the lead on the carry handle uppers and will do my best to make sure they done correctly.
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CD
Link Posted: 5/24/2022 11:40:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By killingmachine123:

My thoughts on DPMS exactly. One of my old roommates and I used to love running thousands of rounds through DPMS builds with no problems the days of ABC and "the chart" while others would naysay. The thread a year or so ago in which the former employee broke down some of the real behind the scenes stuff from back when proved our point more so.

I would love a new production DPMS A1 upper etc.
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Link to thread?
Link Posted: 5/24/2022 11:48:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:  DPMS is going to do some "retro-ish" guns in black, maybe a full M16A2.

PSA will be doing an M16A2 in black as it's a simple upper swap on the existing product.

H&R will be doing mostly build parts and some clone guns in gray and black.

There's going to be some overlap, but I'm the lead on the carry handle uppers and will do my best to make sure they are done correctly.
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Need a late A2 w/ collapsible stock and an Aimpoint mounted on the KAC rail.  
Link Posted: 5/24/2022 12:05:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:


DPMS is going to do some "retro-ish" guns in black, maybe a full M16A2.

PSA will be doing an M16A2 in black as it's a simple upper swap on the existing product.



H&R will be doing mostly build parts and some clone guns in gray and black.
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Mike,

Just curious, why not separate them by generation since they each were most prevalent in different generations of the M16 platform? H&R for the A1 stuff, DPMS for A2, and PSA for the A4. That could even segue into the possibility of things like KAC/P&S style rails down the line for an M16A4 clone.
Link Posted: 5/24/2022 12:13:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:


DPMS is going to do some "retro-ish" guns in black, maybe a full M16A2.

PSA will be doing an M16A2 in black as it's a simple upper swap on the existing product.



H&R will be doing mostly build parts and some clone guns in gray and black.

There's going to be some overlap, but I'm the lead on the carry handle uppers and will do my best to make sure they are done correctly.
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556:
Will the clone C7/A2 stuff be H&R, or will all of it be DPMS?


DPMS is going to do some "retro-ish" guns in black, maybe a full M16A2.

PSA will be doing an M16A2 in black as it's a simple upper swap on the existing product.



H&R will be doing mostly build parts and some clone guns in gray and black.

There's going to be some overlap, but I'm the lead on the carry handle uppers and will do my best to make sure they are done correctly.


Awesome, thanks.

Speaking of correctly, do you plan to do the large forward assist buttons also?
Link Posted: 5/24/2022 3:44:54 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/25/2022 5:22:45 PM EDT
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Mike,

The samples you just received look really good. What is the next step in the prcess? Do you send out a batch of upper and lowers to be done? Meaning the m16a1 receivers.

I guess the receivers will be up for sale before the barrel assemblies? You are getting closer. Do you at this point have
time line roughly when these will be up for sale on the website?

I hope you give us here in the retro forum a heads up first? Alot of us in here have been waiting for these for a long time.
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