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Posted: 8/29/2004 12:07:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 12:07:54 PM EST by Bradd_D]
You do realize that your Eotech is marked "For Law Enforcement/Military Use", right?
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 12:18:16 PM EST
well i guess i cannot use that either
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 12:20:20 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 12:41:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 12:42:23 PM EST by _DR]

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:



Is that rust I see on your arms mount release lever and set screws? Looks like you need a little CLP there.....
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 12:47:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:
gandrtactical.com/images/LaRue_Tactical_EOTech_mount1.jpg



Is that rust I see on your arms mount release lever and set screws? Looks like you need a little CLP there.....



Actually, that would be Grant of G & R Tactical's "rusty" Larue mount. I borrowed the picture from his site.

It's not rust, BTW. It's the color of the stainless steel lever.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 1:07:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 1:12:03 PM EST by philipk]

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:
You do realize that your Eotech is marked "For Law Enforcement/Military Use", right?



It has to do with CONTRACT law and not firearm laws.

Eotech has the right to sell their sights to law enforcement and military customers.

Bushnell has exclusive rights to sell the product to sporting and competitive (civilian) customers. (Bushnell® HOLOsight.® ).

Eotech and Bushnell must not market or advertise their sights to each others customers. HOWEVER, vendors can sell it to whomever they want.

It is legal for you to buy and sell an Eotech sight even if you are not LEO/military.

Philip
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 1:14:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By philipk:

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:
You do realize that your Eotech is marked "For Law Enforcement/Military Use", right?



It has to do with CONTRACT law and not firearm laws.

Eotech has the right to sell their sights to law enforcement and military customers.

Bushnell has exclusive rights to sell the product to sporting and competitive (civilian) customers. (Bushnell® HOLOsight.® ).

Eotech and Bushnell must not market or advertise their sights to each others customers. HOWEVER, vendors can sell it to whomever they want.

It is legal for you to buy and sell an Eotech sight even if you are not LEO/military.

Philip



It was a joke in light of all the recent hooplah about LEO lowers. LEO lowers and Eotechs are perfectly legal to own.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 2:28:03 PM EST
Lowers also add the word "Only" on the end.

Big difference.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 2:42:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By GunSlingAR:
Lowers also add the word "Only" on the end.

Big difference.



I saw the Colt 6920 Friday and it says

Law Enforcement Carbine ---IIRC
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 2:45:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By redfisher:

Originally Posted By GunSlingAR:
Lowers also add the word "Only" on the end.

Big difference.



I saw the Colt 6920 Friday and it says

Law Enforcement Carbine ---IIRC



I think he means the other side of the receiver where it says something to the effect of "For Law Enforcement/Government Use Only".
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 3:18:17 PM EST
Someone needs to tack this letter I received from the ATF, so the question will be answered once and for all!
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 3:45:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By patrickcudd:
Someone needs to tack this letter I received from the ATF, so the question will be answered once and for all!
photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=24971' target='_new'> photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=24971



You beat me to it. I was just going to post that letter. I also agree. It should be tacked.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 3:49:18 PM EST

Anyone else take that "CAUTION" sticker off of their EOTech to find the nice little white line it covers up? I thought it was a big scratch until I noticed that it was the same type of mark as the LE/Military markings. You can see the beginning of it in the above picture... Why would they do that?

-Randy
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 3:56:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By double_r76:
Anyone else take that "CAUTION" sticker off of their EOTech to find the nice little white line it covers up? I thought it was a big scratch until I noticed that it was the same type of mark as the LE/Military markings. You can see the beginning of it in the above picture... Why would they do that?

-Randy



It could just be a reference line for lining up the sticker.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:30:48 PM EST
That begs the question from the BATFE letter --Just what is a "semi-automatic assualt weapon"?
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:14:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheLoneGunman:
That begs the question from the BATFE letter --Just what is a "semi-automatic assualt weapon"?



Oh god, a Semi-Automatic assult weapon as defined by the 1994 Assult Weapons Bill. Civilians arent allowed to own these unless made before Sept 13 1994. The AR's and AK's that we now own Post bans are not considered Semi-Automatic Assult Rifles. So there is your answer
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:15:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheLoneGunman:
That begs the question from the BATFE letter --Just what is a "semi-automatic assualt weapon"?



You'd have to look at the law, but in summation, it says a semi-auto with at least 3 of the following: pistol grip, a detachable magazine, a bayonet lug, a flash suppressor, or a folding/collapsing stock.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:45:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheLoneGunman:
That begs the question from the BATFE letter --Just what is a "semi-automatic assualt weapon"?



Been in a cave or under a rock for the last ten years, have we?
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 7:08:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:


Originally Posted By redfisher:
I saw the Colt 6920 Friday and it says Law Enforcement Carbine ---IIRC



I think he means the other side of the receiver where it says something to the effect of "For Law Enforcement/Government Use Only".



No, that is what the rifle's official name is. LE6920 is a stock/catalog number, which you will only see on the box label it comes in. No receiver is stamped "LE6920".
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 9:02:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/30/2004 9:03:01 AM EST by Oilhead]
Say what you will, make jokes, carry that letter around in your back-pocket, whatever...

I still would not want the average LEO to pull me over for a 'routine traffic stop' and see my "Law Enforcement Only" marked rifle in the trunk. Most LEO's wouldn't know a preban from a postban, much less know that it's legal for me to own one of these lowers.

IMHO, you're just asking for an unnecessary headache...
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 9:12:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By Oilhead:
Say what you will, make jokes, carry that letter around in your back-pocket, whatever...

I still would not want the average LEO to pull me over for a 'routine traffic stop' and see my "Law Enforcement Only" marked rifle in the trunk. Most LEO's wouldn't know a preban from a postban, much less know that it's legal for me to own one of these lowers.

IMHO, you're just asking for an unnecessary headache... hr


But the police are asking for an unnecessary lawsuit for not knowing how to do there jobs. Thus giving me tons of free money to buy more guns with
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 9:18:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 9:28:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By patrickcudd:

You'd have to look at the law, but in summation, it says a semi-auto with at least 3 of the following: pistol grip, a detachable magazine, a bayonet lug, a flash suppressor, or a folding/collapsing stock.



Well, not really , but in 13 days it will be moot ,so I won't bother correcting you.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 9:37:06 AM EST
I've never had an LEO bat an eye at my "Pete in NH" RRA lower thats marked "US Property".
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 9:43:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By ANGST:

Originally Posted By patrickcudd:

You'd have to look at the law, but in summation, it says a semi-auto with at least 3 of the following: pistol grip, a detachable magazine, a bayonet lug, a flash suppressor, or a folding/collapsing stock.



Well, not really , but in 13 days it will be moot ,so I won't bother correcting you.



I'm bored, so here goes:

It's a semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine and having more than one of...yada...yada...yada...

If it's NOT a semi-automatic, or does NOT have a detachable magazine, it can have all the other features there are, without being an "assault weapon." "Semi-automatic" and "detachable magazine" are NOT "evil features" but qualifiers.

Hopefully all of that crap will be a moot point in a couple of weeks or so.



Lonny
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 10:36:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By xcpd69:

Originally Posted By ANGST:

Originally Posted By patrickcudd:

You'd have to look at the law, but in summation, it says a semi-auto with at least 3 of the following: pistol grip, a detachable magazine, a bayonet lug, a flash suppressor, or a folding/collapsing stock.



Well, not really , but in 13 days it will be moot ,so I won't bother correcting you.



I'm bored, so here goes:

It's a semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine and having more than one of...yada...yada...yada...

If it's NOT a semi-automatic, or does NOT have a detachable magazine, it can have all the other features there are, without being an "assault weapon." "Semi-automatic" and "detachable magazine" are NOT "evil features" but qualifiers.

Hopefully all of that crap will be a moot point in a couple of weeks or so.



Lonny



But did you notice his letter said NO MORE THAN ONE!

Not at least 3.

Kind of odd, don;'t you think.

TXL
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 10:40:29 AM EST
You can have the EOTech sight -- no problem. It's the protective hood that will get you thrown in the slammer. People who put protective hoods on their expensive sights are either terrorists, LEO impersonators or mentally unstable.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 11:17:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By Oilhead:
Say what you will, make jokes, carry that letter around in your back-pocket, whatever...

I still would not want the average LEO to pull me over for a 'routine traffic stop' and see my "Law Enforcement Only" marked rifle in the trunk. Most LEO's wouldn't know a preban from a postban, much less know that it's legal for me to own one of these lowers.

IMHO, you're just asking for an unnecessary headache...




Maybe they would believe you were a LE officer and let you go!


Not Really But Im sure It could bring some more questions, Id just stay cool and try to explain it to them. Hopefully they wouldnt go all Barney on you and haul your ass in.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 11:24:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By chrism101:

Originally Posted By Oilhead:
Say what you will, make jokes, carry that letter around in your back-pocket, whatever...

I still would not want the average LEO to pull me over for a 'routine traffic stop' and see my "Law Enforcement Only" marked rifle in the trunk. Most LEO's wouldn't know a preban from a postban, much less know that it's legal for me to own one of these lowers.

IMHO, you're just asking for an unnecessary headache... hr



Maybe they would believe you were a LE officer and let you go!


Not Really But Im sure It could bring some more questions, Id just stay cool and try to explain it to them. Hopefully they wouldnt go all Barney on you and haul your ass in.hr


HeHE
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 1:22:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By TxLewis:

Originally Posted By xcpd69:

Originally Posted By ANGST:

Originally Posted By patrickcudd:

You'd have to look at the law, but in summation, it says a semi-auto with at least 3 of the following: pistol grip, a detachable magazine, a bayonet lug, a flash suppressor, or a folding/collapsing stock.



Well, not really , but in 13 days it will be moot ,so I won't bother correcting you.



I'm bored, so here goes:

It's a semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine and having more than one of...yada...yada...yada...

If it's NOT a semi-automatic, or does NOT have a detachable magazine, it can have all the other features there are, without being an "assault weapon." "Semi-automatic" and "detachable magazine" are NOT "evil features" but qualifiers.

Hopefully all of that crap will be a moot point in a couple of weeks or so.



Lonny



But did you notice his letter said NO MORE THAN ONE!

Not at least 3.

Kind of odd, don;'t you think.

TXL



Well damn....I mis-spoke....that never happens.........mark this day in history!
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 3:48:32 PM EST
"GOOD FAITH"

IF AN OFFICER IS OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH DO NOT COUNT ON HAVING ANY RECOURSE AGAINST THAT OFFICER

AN OFFICER THAT "TAKES TEMPORARY CUSTODY" OF YOUR LEO/GOV ONLY MARKED RIFLE/LOWER WILL PROBABLY ENGRAVE SAID RIFLE/LOWER WHEN HE LOGS IT INTO EVIDENCE AT THE END OF HIS SHIFT WITH HIS NAME AND I D NUMBER

Link Posted: 8/30/2004 4:10:31 PM EST
And to think that this thread started as a joke...
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 5:31:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:
And to think that this thread started as a joke...




we take things pretty serously arond here sir
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