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Posted: 7/28/2009 6:31:56 PM EST
I have been researching ar's recently because i am planning on getting one in the next couple of months. over my research i have read that in order to save money i should buy a complete upper and a complete lower receiver and just put them together. Someone told me that the brand of the lower receiver doesn't really matter and i should get a stagg arms because they are the best for the money and that i should get a bushmaster upper because you should get a quality upper receiver. So my questions are would the different brands fit. Does this sound like a good idea, and any other suggestions you might have please tell me.

Thanks
Brian
Link Posted: 7/28/2009 9:18:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/28/2009 9:19:22 PM EST by 87GN]
There are better and more available options for the upper than Bushmaster. Site sponsors like Bravo Company have top notch upper receiver assemblies available every few weeks. Sign up for their email notifications. You'll also need to buy handguards, a charging handle, and a bolt carrier group if you go that route, but it is the one I would recommend above all others, both from a quality and a price standpoint.

The quality of the lower is important, but Stag makes a pretty good one.
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 3:33:17 AM EST
Spike's Tactical has a great deal on stripped lowers –– $100. Till the end of July, so you'd better hurry. Check out the "Old EE" button at the top of the page. I've never used Spike's, but bought some after my gunsmith said they are top-shelf items.
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 4:08:41 AM EST
picked mine up last week.......impressed with the fit and finish compared to my DPMS lower. I would say its comparable or exceeding in quality to my S&W lower.
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 4:49:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/29/2009 4:51:37 AM EST by texjames]
Coleman Tyler has Mega lowers for $108 and Rock River fot $145...thats whats out for delivery for me today the RRA very excited.
I'll have two RRA AR's, a RRA Tactical Entry and the new first build RRA.
http://www.colemantyler.com/
And i Bought some stuff from Brownells...and PK Firearms. PK Firearms actaully has a lot of complete Uppers in stock.
I ordered a RRA Predator Pursuit 20 inch on Tuesday and it is scheduled to deliver this Friday...
They don't screw around and ship In Stock stuff fast...I also orederd my lower parts kit from them.
http://www.pkfirearms.com/
Lots of help on here so ask lots of questions...they are real nice to us noobs!
I would say if ya have a pretty good idea what weapon you want to have...go ahead and get the lower, then start collecting lower parts and build that up then concentrate on the upper.
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 1:11:53 PM EST
Ok so im pretty set on getting a complete lower receiver, i dont wanna deal with all those other parts so the only question is the brand.
im thinking of getting the stag, but does anyone have any different suggestions.

I have no idea about what upper to get. i would like to have it a complete aswell because i dont wanna deal with all the other parts.
so can anyone recommend me a quality upper.
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 1:32:55 PM EST
Upper like DPMS and Del-ton are great...

Think about building your own lower...Dont need a ton of parts...You get to say you built it and once you done youll start planning the next one...

my first lower build took less than and hour...
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 1:59:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/29/2009 2:11:57 PM EST by BrianGnad]
Originally Posted By Gettingthat:
Upper like DPMS and Del-ton are great...

Think about building your own lower...Dont need a ton of parts...You get to say you built it and once you done youll start planning the next one...

my first lower build took less than and hour...



Ok ill take a look at those uppers and if i bought a stripped lower what other parts would i need.

also how does this upper look? http://www.impactguns.com/store/DPMS-BA-AP416CH.html
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 2:11:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gettingthat:
Upper like DPMS and Del-ton are great...

Think about building your own lower...Dont need a ton of parts...You get to say you built it and once you done youll start planning the next one...

my first lower build took less than and hour...


DPMS and Del-Ton aren't what I would call "great".

BrianGnad, what is your budget and what do you want to do with the rifle?
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 2:17:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By Gettingthat:
Upper like DPMS and Del-ton are great...

Think about building your own lower...Dont need a ton of parts...You get to say you built it and once you done youll start planning the next one...

my first lower build took less than and hour...


DPMS and Del-Ton aren't what I would call "great".

BrianGnad, what is your budget and what do you want to do with the rifle?



I would like to keep it around and hopefully lower than a grand but ill spend more if i need to but it will just take a little longer due to money issues. I will be using it for general plinking and hopefully varmit hunting when i get a chance. By the way thanks to everyone for the help so far.
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 2:28:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gettingthat:
Upper like DPMS and Del-ton are great...

Think about building your own lower...Dont need a ton of parts...You get to say you built it and once you done youll start planning the next one...

my first lower build took less than and hour...



Check out Midwayusa.com for upper assemblies .

Also , I picked up 1DPMS and 2 DEL-TON compleat lower for $ 210 + tax , each at a gun show .

Saw a few DPMS Panther rifles for around $ 750 ( I think ) at a different gun show .

God bless
Wyr


Link Posted: 7/29/2009 2:34:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/29/2009 2:35:22 PM EST by 87GN]
Originally Posted By BrianGnad:
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By Gettingthat:
Upper like DPMS and Del-ton are great...

Think about building your own lower...Dont need a ton of parts...You get to say you built it and once you done youll start planning the next one...

my first lower build took less than and hour...


DPMS and Del-Ton aren't what I would call "great".

BrianGnad, what is your budget and what do you want to do with the rifle?



I would like to keep it around and hopefully lower than a grand but ill spend more if i need to but it will just take a little longer due to money issues. I will be using it for general plinking and hopefully varmit hunting when i get a chance. By the way thanks to everyone for the help so far.


Here is what I've spent on the last few rifles I built.

Lower:
Lower receiver $100
Lower parts kit $65
Mil spec receiver extension/stick kit $60

Total for the lower $225.

Upper:
Bravo Company 16" Midlength or Carbine upper: $475
Handguards: $20
Bravo Company Bolt Carrier Group: $130 (now $160)
Forged Charging Handle: $20
LaRue Rear Sight: $80

Total for the upper: $755

Total: $980. Not a single cut corner anywhere. Also, if you buy a part at a time, it's easier on the wallet.

There are other quality parts available, this was just one example.
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 2:35:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By BrianGnad:
Originally Posted By Gettingthat:
Upper like DPMS and Del-ton are great...

Think about building your own lower...Dont need a ton of parts...You get to say you built it and once you done youll start planning the next one...

my first lower build took less than and hour...



Ok ill take a look at those uppers and if i bought a stripped lower what other parts would i need.

also how does this upper look? http://www.impactguns.com/store/DPMS-BA-AP416CH.html


also check out PKFirearms, they have a bunch of uppers in stock at a good price, the rock river mid-length is what i personally would be looking at. DPMS is a good upper and so is Del-Ton, but the rock river company has a solid reputation and are usually VERY accurate. i'm not knocking the other uppers, just the fact is that shopping around will get you a top quality part and save some cash to boot, good luck

Link Posted: 7/29/2009 2:36:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By BrianGnad:
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By Gettingthat:
Upper like DPMS and Del-ton are great...

Think about building your own lower...Dont need a ton of parts...You get to say you built it and once you done youll start planning the next one...

my first lower build took less than and hour...


DPMS and Del-Ton aren't what I would call "great".

BrianGnad, what is your budget and what do you want to do with the rifle?



I would like to keep it around and hopefully lower than a grand but ill spend more if i need to but it will just take a little longer due to money issues. I will be using it for general plinking and hopefully varmit hunting when i get a chance. By the way thanks to everyone for the help so far.


Here is what I've spent on the last few rifles I built.

Lower:
Lower receiver $100
Lower parts kit $65
Mil spec receiver extension/stick kit $60

Total for the lower $225.

Upper:
Bravo Company 16" Midlength or Carbine upper: $475
Handguards: $20
Bravo Company Bolt Carrier Group: $130 (now $160)
Forged Charging Handle: $20
LaRue Rear Sight: $80

Total for the upper: $755

Total: $980. Not a single cut corner anywhere. Also, if you buy a part at a time, it's easier on the wallet.

There are other quality parts available, this was just one example.



i agree also that this can be done buy shopping and buying smart, the BCM uppers are f'ing sweet
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 2:55:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/29/2009 2:59:12 PM EST by texjames]
Originally Posted By votefromrooftops:
Originally Posted By BrianGnad:
Originally Posted By Gettingthat:
Upper like DPMS and Del-ton are great...

Think about building your own lower...Dont need a ton of parts...You get to say you built it and once you done youll start planning the next one...

my first lower build took less than and hour...



Ok ill take a look at those uppers and if i bought a stripped lower what other parts would i need.

also how does this upper look? http://www.impactguns.com/store/DPMS-BA-AP416CH.html


also check out PKFirearms, they have a bunch of uppers in stock at a good price, the rock river mid-length is what i personally would be looking at. DPMS is a good upper and so is Del-Ton, but the rock river company has a solid reputation and are usually VERY accurate. i'm not knocking the other uppers, just the fact is that shopping around will get you a top quality part and save some cash to boot, good luck


I told him about PK Firearms right above his post asking again for 'Good Upperrs"...i don't think he reads the posts.....
Coleman Tyler has Mega lowers for $108 and Rock River fot $145...thats whats out for delivery for me today the RRA very excited.
I'll have two RRA AR's, a RRA Tactical Entry and the new first build RRA.
http://www.colemantyler.com/
And i Bought some stuff from Brownells...and PK Firearms. PK Firearms actaully has a lot of complete Uppers in stock.
I ordered a RRA Predator Pursuit 20 inch on Tuesday and it is scheduled to deliver this Friday...
They don't screw around and ship In Stock stuff fast...I also orederd my lower parts kit from them.
http://www.pkfirearms.com/
Lots of help on here so ask lots of questions...they are real nice to us noobs!
I would say if ya have a pretty good idea what weapon you want to have...go ahead and get the lower, then start collecting lower parts and build that up then concentrate on the upper.


Link Posted: 7/29/2009 3:20:52 PM EST
ok hows this look for my upper

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-16.htm

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Mid-Length-Handguards-Black-p/handguards%20mid%20length%20black.htm

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bolt-Carrier-Group-MPI-Auto-M16-p/bcm%20bolt%20carrier%20group%20auto%20mp.htm

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR15-Charging-Handle-BCM-p/bcm%20charging%20handle%20ar15.htm
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 4:03:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/29/2009 4:06:36 PM EST by texjames]
Originally Posted By BrianGnad:
ok hows this look for my upper

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-16.htm

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Mid-Length-Handguards-Black-p/handguards%20mid%20length%20black.htm

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bolt-Carrier-Group-MPI-Auto-M16-p/bcm%20bolt%20carrier%20group%20auto%20mp.htm

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR15-Charging-Handle-BCM-p/bcm%20charging%20handle%20ar15.htm


That upper is out of stock...go here and look at this...
Click and scroll down...
Rock River Arms Midlength A4 Light Weight Chrome Lined Upper The NEW Rock River Arms 16" Wilson lightweight, Govt. contour, chrome lined barrel with 5.56 NATO chamber and 1/9 twist rate. Midlength handguards and steel front sight tower with bayonet lug. Flat top receiver. Complete with bolt carrier assembly and forged charging handle.
Our Price: each $515.00
In Stock
I really like my RRA tactical Entry...
Link Posted: 7/29/2009 7:22:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/29/2009 7:40:26 PM EST by BrianGnad]
ok so i can use some more oppinions because there are so many choices, should i go with a rra upper with a stag lower or a BCM on the stag or some other upper. Basicly i want to know what the differences are between uppers cause there are alot of brands.

also if i get a stripped lower what other parts will i need.

and sorry for asking similar questions but i wanna make sure i spend wisely because its a good sum of money.
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 6:49:09 AM EST
I bought a stag lower and a dpms upper and they went together perfectly. I bought them both stripped. However, I don't know that I can tell you that you will save a lot of money by doing it this way. Granted I bought my upper and lower stripped and went from there, but I didn't even by an overly expensive barrel and with the red dot sight and a higher end trigger I am almost to $2,000. It turns out that there are a lot of cool add ons to these guns and by parting them together you can easily spend more money. I have seen complete guns on the shelf at a local dealer for $1,000. The moral to the story is that If you aren't going to individually part it together, you might as well buy a complete gun. IMHO
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 3:22:22 PM EST
alright everyone im am very close to making my final decision. I am planning of getting the rra upper http://mooneysfirearms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=30
with the stag lower http://mooneysfirearms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=209 apart from a mag and a stock what else would i need to get this gun shooting.

and these two brands/parts will fit together, right?
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 3:53:15 PM EST
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By Gettingthat:
Upper like DPMS and Del-ton are great...

Think about building your own lower...Dont need a ton of parts...You get to say you built it and once you done youll start planning the next one...

my first lower build took less than and hour...


DPMS and Del-Ton aren't what I would call "great".

BrianGnad, what is your budget and what do you want to do with the rifle?


What's wrong with Del-Ton? Always good things said about them. Why do you say they're not great?
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 4:03:27 PM EST
you'll like a noveske upper receiver. CMMG is good value as well as SunDevil and BravoCompany. Look for upper that has good barrels, good BCG's. Then build a lower from same product line.
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 4:30:37 PM EST
I'm just thinking. I saw this Black Rain Ordnance upper and lower and looks cool. What could a Noveske, Kreiger or Walter barrel put into this Black Rain upper with YM or BravoCompany BCG and DD rails. Then the Black Rain Ordnance lower with Geissele trigger then finish it of with Magpul goodies. Hmmpp!!! This could be my new build!!! What do you think?
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 5:57:19 PM EST
Buy a Stag rifle and ...... wait it out!
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 6:01:49 PM EST

Also, that RRA upper deal from PK firearms sounds great Too!
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 6:24:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gettingthat:
Upper like DPMS and Del-ton are great...

Think about building your own lower...Dont need a ton of parts...You get to say you built it and once you done youll start planning the next one...

my first lower build took less than and hour...


what he said.

Link Posted: 7/30/2009 6:31:43 PM EST
For the money, Stag is a winner! So does BCM, CMMG as well. But to say DPMS is great!?? I'm pretty sure there are much further greater deals out there. Will DPMS be less accurate maybe not.
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 6:40:14 PM EST
Dang i should have answered the question instead. Yes RRA upper fits well with Stag lower. I've seen it in a couple of my buddies build.
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 6:48:36 PM EST
ok i wanna figure this out soon because my birthday is coming up. Would this upper (seventh down)
http://www.pkfirearms.com/content/1/20/57/77

fit on this lower?

http://mooneysfirearms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=209

and what else would i need to get to make this gun ready to shoot other than a mag and a stock.
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 7:18:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By BrianGnad:
ok i wanna figure this out soon because my birthday is coming up. Would this upper (seventh down)
http://www.pkfirearms.com/content/1/20/57/77

fit on this lower?

http://mooneysfirearms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=209

and what else would i need to get to make this gun ready to shoot other than a mag and a stock.

Thats pretty good the complete stag lower for $195 and a Tactical Buttstock same page for $90...you would have a good low cost AR...


Link Posted: 7/30/2009 7:39:18 PM EST
alright thanks for all the replies but my last question is what do i need to connect the upper and lower at far as parts that i need to buy go?
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 7:55:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By BrianGnad:
alright thanks for all the replies but my last question is what do i need to connect the upper and lower at far as parts that i need to buy go?


If you have a complete upper and a complete lower you don't need anything. The pins are part of the lower assembly.
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 8:01:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By BrianGnad:
alright thanks for all the replies but my last question is what do i need to connect the upper and lower at far as parts that i need to buy go?


If you have a complete upper and a complete lower you don't need anything. The pins are part of the lower assembly.


yes but this isnt complete http://mooneysfirearms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=209 its missing the stock but will it still have the pins?
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 8:11:55 PM EST
Hey Brian I am Brian too, and from nj too, I am fearfull to answer this as I am new to this AR thing myself but when you get your LPK LOWER PARTS KIT it should have those pins in the kit to fit the upper to the lower.

Guys if I am wrong please set me strait.

Brian

Hey I am building my first AR now too.


THIS IS KIND OF CREEPY

Both have the same name
Both are from NJ
Both are building an AR
Both are putting together there first AR
Both are on this site getting help.

Are the planets alligned
WOW

Nice build by the way

Brian
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 8:31:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By 445supermag:
Hey Brian I am Brian too, and from nj too, I am fearfull to answer this as I am new to this AR thing myself but when you get your LPK LOWER PARTS KIT it should have those pins in the kit to fit the upper to the lower.

Guys if I am wrong please set me strait.

Brian

Hey I am building my first AR now too.


THIS IS KIND OF CREEPY

Both have the same name
Both are from NJ
Both are building an AR
Both are putting together there first AR
Both are on this site getting help.

Are the planets alligned
WOW

Nice build by the way

Brian



Small world huh? good to see someone is in the same boat as me. (not only same boat but relatively similar life) haha thanks for the compliment on the build too.
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 8:52:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By BrianGnad:
Originally Posted By 445supermag:
Hey Brian I am Brian too, and from nj too, I am fearfull to answer this as I am new to this AR thing myself but when you get your LPK LOWER PARTS KIT it should have those pins in the kit to fit the upper to the lower.

Guys if I am wrong please set me strait.

Brian

Hey I am building my first AR now too.


THIS IS KIND OF CREEPY

Both have the same name
Both are from NJ
Both are building an AR
Both are putting together there first AR
Both are on this site getting help.

Are the planets alligned
WOW

Nice build by the way

Brian



Small world huh? good to see someone is in the same boat as me. (not only same boat but relatively similar life) haha thanks for the compliment on the build too.



Sure seems so. I am asking question like crazy too as I don't want to mess up either. I feel paranoid. I have been reading this site for the last 2 months or so before I ever posted. I am learning but its a slow progression.

I feel that when I have a completed AR in front of me then I will learn all the ins and outs of these weapons.

Best of luck

Brian
Link Posted: 7/30/2009 9:10:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By 445supermag:
Originally Posted By BrianGnad:
Originally Posted By 445supermag:
Hey Brian I am Brian too, and from nj too, I am fearfull to answer this as I am new to this AR thing myself but when you get your LPK LOWER PARTS KIT it should have those pins in the kit to fit the upper to the lower.

Guys if I am wrong please set me strait.

Brian

Hey I am building my first AR now too.


THIS IS KIND OF CREEPY

Both have the same name
Both are from NJ
Both are building an AR
Both are putting together there first AR
Both are on this site getting help.

Are the planets alligned
WOW

Nice build by the way

Brian



Small world huh? good to see someone is in the same boat as me. (not only same boat but relatively similar life) haha thanks for the compliment on the build too.



Sure seems so. I am asking question like crazy too as I don't want to mess up either. I feel paranoid. I have been reading this site for the last 2 months or so before I ever posted. I am learning but its a slow progression.

I feel that when I have a completed AR in front of me then I will learn all the ins and outs of these weapons.

Best of luck

Brian


yeh i feel the same way. Best of luck to you too with your gun.
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 6:35:20 AM EST
If the OP is in NJ, shouldn't he avoid the Stag stock set and just get a fixed stock or pre-pinned adjustable stock to stay ban compliant?

I thought NJ didn't allow telestocks because they made the weapon length too short?
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 6:13:34 PM EST
Ok i promise this is one of my last questions. Even though im not buying a complete lower it will still have the pins, right?
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 7:38:51 PM EST
LPK has the take down pins!
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 8:52:37 PM EST
ok i have another question with that magpul stock will i need to buy the full magpull complete kit in order to put it on my gun?
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 10:19:46 PM EST
Do you already have a buffer/tube/spring for your lower? If so, then you don't need the kit - just have to make sure you get the correct stock for your existing tube (commercial or mil-spec). If you don't, then get the complete kit as the tube included will provide a very snug fit.

And don't be afraid to ask questions. Everyone is here to help each other. Nobody minds if the questions never stop as long as you learn from the answers you receive & enjoy your AR's to their fullest. =)
Link Posted: 8/2/2009 7:24:12 PM EST
ok i pulled the trigger and placed the order. I cant wait until it arrives ill post pictures as soon as it comes thanks for all the help.
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