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1911_Addict

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Posted: 2/9/2005 6:37:17 AM EST

I'm looking to use a single point sling on an AR with collapsable (M-4 / CAR) stock. Here's what I need to know:

1) I want a sling adapter that won't be so high such that I hit my hand on it when operating the charging handle. In looking at the GG&G slotted adapter I see myself ripping some skin off my fingers when doing malfunction drills and needing to operate the charging handle with my support hand under stress. I like the adapters with round holes that are a bit lower, which would give more hand clearance, but this requires a sling with a clip of some sort.

2) I want a sling that can quickly be disconnected from the rifle. Some slings are attached to the rifle, but have a release buckle that allows the sling to dissociate from the shooter without lifting it over the head. That won't suit my needs. I need to be able to keep the sling on, but unclip or unbuckle the rifle from the sling.

I'm told CQB solutions makes a sling that might suit my needs, but can't seem to find a web-site for them.

Any advise on slings and adapters would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance

deathfromabove Joined Jan 2005 Posts 61 EE Offline ID, USA	Posted: 2/9/2005 6:45:57 AM EST check this out: www.tttmissionfirst.com

PBIR BOHICA SURVIVOR Joined Sep 2004 Posts 964 EE Offline TN, USA	Posted: 2/9/2005 6:51:56 AM EST [Last Edit: 2/9/2005 6:52:33 AM EST by PBIR] Check out the Blue Force Gear SOC-C, I've got their contractor pack on the way. Giffman is selling them in the EE.
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Mike_L Joined Jun 2001 Posts 1781 EE Offline IN, USA	Posted: 2/9/2005 7:00:03 AM EST CQB Solutions is now Specter.

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Posted: 2/9/2005 7:08:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By 1911_Addict:

2) I want a sling that can quickly be disconnected from the rifle. Some slings are attached to the rifle, but have a release buckle that allows the sling to dissociate from the shooter without lifting it over the head. That won't suit my needs. I need to be able to keep the sling on, but unclip or unbuckle the rifle from the sling.

I have a couple different Specter (CQB Solutions) single-point slings and they are very nice. However, I've grown to very much dislike any of those stupid emergency release buckles. I had one open on me during transition drills and dropped the whole damn rifle on the gravel. After that little learning incident, all the buckles on all my slings got paracorded and taped.

I'm using the Daniel Defense Burnsed Loop adapter for both my single-point sling setups. It is a nice adapter and is out of the way of the charging handle. However, this adapter will NOT work with a First Samco G27 grip because the grip's beavertail hits the adapter's sling loop. Just thought I'd mention that in case you used that grip.

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NETac Joined Nov 2004 Posts 4 EE Offline NH, USA	Posted: 2/9/2005 7:51:41 AM EST Try Northeast Tactical

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Buck_Naked

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Posted: 2/9/2005 7:58:14 AM EST

[Last Edit: 2/9/2005 9:10:34 AM EST by Buck_Naked]

I have a couple of the Daniel Defense Burnsed Loops and think they work great. The sling loop is set at a slight downward angle that gives you a little clearance when sweeping the charging handle. As far as slings go, I love The Wilderness single point sling, but it doesn't disconnect from the rifle like what you are looking for. You might check the Specter (CQB Solutions) link someone posted above.

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JosephR

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Posted: 2/9/2005 8:24:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By PBIR:
Check out the Blue Force Gear SOC-C, I've got their contractor pack on the way. Giffman is selling them in the EE.

I received mine from Grant last week. The contractor pack has so many parts, I was bewildered for hours. The instructions were clear enough, but I wanted to see all of the combinations I could come up with. That took three hours. I have it attached to my rifle with the mounting points that work best for the setup. Now, I'm going to use some of the others to create points on another upper. It's as cool as the MIAD.

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Posted: 2/9/2005 8:34:09 AM EST

I like GRSC CQB slings, for many reasons.

www.grsc.com/cqb.html

They can use CHEAP stock plate adapters, available anywhere, for $15. They use a sailors snap hook, or the HK style hook to attach. You dont have to buy an extra ERB buckle for each weapon you want to install it on, like the Spectre MOUT. (I have that one... it's good, but not as good as the GRSC)

Also, since they use a standard hook attackment point, you can use the sling with a wider array of weapons/objects, than the dedicated ERB connectors on the Spectre.

Plus, they are 1.5" wide... slightly more comfortable to wear for extended periods than the Spectre gear.

I bought into all the spectre gear hype, got one, paid for the GGG adapters, the extra weapon adapters...etc..etc.. and wnet back to my GRSC. Dont know what I was thinking.

You can have it done QUICKLY, done INEXPENSIVELY, done CORRECTLY. Pick any two.

Lumpy196 Master of the Obvious Joined Aug 2002 Posts 20070 EE Offline AZ, USA	Posted: 2/9/2005 8:42:38 AM EST DD plate and a Giles sling. Single points get A LOT of rotational wear and NONE are as tough as the Giles.
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Spectre1

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Posted: 2/9/2005 4:42:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
DD plate and a Giles sling.

Single points get A LOT of rotational wear and NONE are as tough as the Giles.

I'm running DD on all but one of my carbines. The odd one out has a ggg plate that sits higher and is finally starting to eat a Wilderness single point. All but one of my AR's wear The Wilderness slings, but I think that may change soon...

Harv24 Joined Dec 2003 Posts 470 EE Offline WI, USA	Posted: 2/9/2005 4:53:22 PM EST DD plate and Giles sling here...simple and built to last, The standard bearer of single point slings and plates IMHO. The new Tango Down single point sling connector with quick disconnect swivel may be the next best think though...

Polyak Team Member Joined Mar 2001 Posts 1273 EE Offline KY, USA	Posted: 2/10/2005 10:10:48 AM EST I'm using the Troy sling. This thing is extremely comfortable, and it connects with an easy HK style snap hook to the sling adapter of your choice.

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Posted: 2/10/2005 12:50:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By Spectre1:
Originally Posted By Lumpy196:
DD plate and a Giles sling.

Single points get A LOT of rotational wear and NONE are as tough as the Giles.

I'm running DD on all but one of my carbines. The odd one out has a ggg plate that sits higher and is finally starting to eat a Wilderness single point. All but one of my AR's wear The Wilderness slings, but I think that may change soon...

Those GGG plates are crap. They have obvious sharp edges that will eat into the sligns that attach with nylon. The DD plates are smooth, but I had trouble finding a lefty model when I ordered my spectre sling.

You can have it done QUICKLY, done INEXPENSIVELY, done CORRECTLY. Pick any two.

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Posted: 2/10/2005 1:44:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Those GGG plates are crap. They have obvious sharp edges that will eat into the sligns that attach with nylon. The DD plates are smooth, but I had trouble finding a lefty model when I ordered my spectre sling.

My experience is the opposite - the GG&G I have is smooth and nicely rounded. The DD I had looked rough and stamped, plus it bit my thumb knuckle (Ergo grip user) when activating the safety.

The GRSC plate with the hole will actually work with a CQB / Specter HSTS jammed through it. Little wear, and clearance for both the thumb and the CH.

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LOKNLOD

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Posted: 2/10/2005 2:01:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By Polyak:
I'm using the Troy sling. This thing is extremely comfortable, and it connects with an easy HK style snap hook to the sling adapter of your choice.

I like my Troy sling, but I still haven't gotten the bugs out of the fit yet. I'm not that short, but even with most of the slack out of it, the gun hangs too low. I think the short strap between the loop and the hook is the culprit.

Polyak

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Posted: 2/10/2005 3:29:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By LOKNLOD:
Originally Posted By Polyak:
I'm using the Troy sling. This thing is extremely comfortable, and it connects with an easy HK style snap hook to the sling adapter of your choice.

I like my Troy sling, but I still haven't gotten the bugs out of the fit yet. I'm not that short, but even with most of the slack out of it, the gun hangs too low. I think the short strap between the loop and the hook is the culprit.

Yeah, I'm kinda on the short side, so it does fit the bill nicely for me. Do youhave one of the initial designed ones, or one of the new improved versions? I"m running the initial one. I looked at one of the improved ones at SHOT, but I really can't remember what all had changed exactly. Their website still shows the first version. But I'm pretty sure that short strap you mentioned is a little longer now. There was something else changed about it, but for the life of me I can't remember what it was.

Spectre1

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Posted: 2/10/2005 8:48:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By bsbg:
Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Those GGG plates are crap. They have obvious sharp edges that will eat into the sligns that attach with nylon. The DD plates are smooth, but I had trouble finding a lefty model when I ordered my spectre sling.

My experience is the opposite - the GG&G I have is smooth and nicely rounded. The DD I had looked rough and stamped, plus it bit my thumb knuckle (Ergo grip user) when activating the safety.

I have Ergos on all my AR's and have plenty of clearance...

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RustyTX

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Posted: 2/11/2005 3:55:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By FALARAK:
I like GRSC CQB slings, for many reasons.

www.grsc.com/cqb.html

They can use CHEAP stock plate adapters, available anywhere, for $15. They use a sailors snap hook, or the HK style hook to attach. You dont have to buy an extra ERB buckle for each weapon you want to install it on, like the Spectre MOUT. (I have that one... it's good, but not as good as the GRSC)

Also, since they use a standard hook attackment point, you can use the sling with a wider array of weapons/objects, than the dedicated ERB connectors on the Spectre.

Plus, they are 1.5" wide... slightly more comfortable to wear for extended periods than the Spectre gear.

I bought into all the spectre gear hype, got one, paid for the GGG adapters, the extra weapon adapters...etc..etc.. and wnet back to my GRSC. Dont know what I was thinking.

+1 for GRSC. Ed patented many of the stock adapters we see today and is really uptight about having a simple and rugged sling (a good thing). Nothing fancy.

http://dsgarms.com

PBIR

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Posted: 2/11/2005 10:31:06 AM EST

[Last Edit: 2/13/2005 3:50:46 AM EST by PBIR]

My BFG SOC-C kit arrived today:

think this will be my default set-up:

sling is non-IR reflective 1.25” nylon webbing

Here's a run down by Ashley of Blue Force Gear pulled from Lightfighter's forums:

Yeager's needs inspired this expanded sling pak. For Contractors and others who need a kickass sling but don't know what weapon they'll use until they get there:

From left to right, top to bottom:

- Vest/LBE adapter strap - for those who prefer no sling while armored up
- Short universal loop - AK/shotgun stocks and many other apps
- Long universal loop - many uses
- HK hook adapters (2) - HK weapons and any others with eyelets or rings
- Elastic bands (2) - to secure loose ends or stop hook rattle
- Strap connectors (2) -connects to singlepoint adapter plates or any other std sling loops
- CAR/M4 front band connector
- CAR buttstock connector
- A1/A2 buttstock connector - also fits other similiar buttstocks(shotguns :-)

At the bottom is the SOC-C Sling which can be configured as a one point, two point or three point sling! It and all the adapters are AMBI.

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0699TeufelHnd Joined Jan 2005 Posts 3 EE Offline CA, USA	Posted: 2/12/2005 6:34:29 PM EST Do you know if their sling adapter for the collapsible stock will work for lefties?

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Posted: 2/25/2005 9:05:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By 0699TeufelHnd:
Do you know if their sling adapter for the collapsible stock will work for lefties?

yes, they are all ambidextrous, except for the one he has pictured on his front handguards- it can be flipped, but will show the backside of all of the stitched components which is really no big deal.

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kiel1 Joined Dec 2002 Posts 34 EE Offline USA	Posted: 3/7/2005 7:53:51 PM EST I know this is an old thread but does anyone have any impressions of the YHM ambidextrous sling adapter? I've been looking at getting one and wanted to make sure there isn't something wrong with it that i didnt notice.

Lancelot

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Posted: 3/9/2005 11:15:07 AM EST

[Last Edit: 3/9/2005 11:17:11 AM EST by Lancelot]

If you like the QD swivels Tango Down has the new PR-4 mount. Requires no removal of the stock and gives you three sling points. If mounted in the center or rear position, it does not interfere with anything.

You do lose the last notch on the stock, but it will lock, and is locked in the photos.

And rumor has it they are making an adaptor for it that will take the HK style sling hooks.

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stretch415 Joined Jan 2005 Posts 238 EE Offline SD, USA	Posted: 3/9/2005 11:19:36 AM EST CQB plate and troy sling

scott475

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Posted: 3/10/2005 12:04:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
If you like the QD swivels Tango Down has the new PR-4 mount. Requires no removal of the stock and gives you three sling points. If mounted in the center or rear position, it does not interfere with anything.

That seems like it would fit the bill for me. Where are they available?

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stryfox Joined Jan 2005 Posts 60 EE Offline PA, USA	Posted: 3/12/2005 7:44:55 AM EST Tag. I think a single point will work for me. More input need more input

RustyTX

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Posted: 3/12/2005 8:10:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By PBIR:
Check out the Blue Force Gear SOC-C, I've got their contractor pack on the way. Giffman is selling them in the EE.

+1 for Blue Force... The SOC-C does it all (1, 2 or 3 point).

The single point U.D.C. from BFG with the HK hook is a good, inexpensive single point rig. The webbing and stitching used is heavy duty stuff (low infrared reflective too).

http://dsgarms.com

LoneWolf3 Joined Aug 2004 Posts 87 EE Offline GA, USA	Posted: 3/12/2005 5:19:32 PM EST Check out the tactical tailor urban ops sling i used it during OIF with very good results.

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Posted: 3/13/2005 7:44:16 AM EST

I've been running around Iraq for six months with a GG&G plate and Specter quick detachable singlepoint. The quick detach is the heat for getting in and out of vehicles, which I do a lot. It also works great with all the comm gear and other stuff that I put on with the sling. It's nice to be able to set the weapon down on a break without having to take off all my other battle rattle. The sling lets the weapon rest right where it's most comfortable on my arms to hold it for long periods, of which I also do a lot. My body armor doesn't have a collar and I often wear just a tee shirt under it, but the sling material is not uncomfortable on my neck.

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Lancelot

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Posted: 3/13/2005 8:02:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By scott475:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
If you like the QD swivels Tango Down has the new PR-4 mount. Requires no removal of the stock and gives you three sling points. If mounted in the center or rear position, it does not interfere with anything.

That seems like it would fit the bill for me. Where are they available?

Directly from the tango down website, and I think Bowers Tactical might have some. (or did)

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