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Posted: 10/26/2010 3:23:33 PM EDT
Ive read these two threads:
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#.223
http://www.223reloads.com/home/223-5-56-info/223-tests-performance/223-ballistics-effectiveness––-pt1-of-2

I am saving up for a 5.56 rifle of some kind, but I do know I am going with a 1/7 twist barrel, so I want the heavier 62gr and 75gr/77gr bullets. I went on a google and ammo web site search spree last night and this morning and couldnt find any 5.56 ammo that both of those sites recommend. I did find .223 which I guess I can settle for but I risk being yelled at because I cant seem to find anything sold as 5.56 (I want the higher pressure/hotter loaded ammo) except for penetrator ammo, which one of those sites rated last, not to mention I really doubt I would be able to shoot it at any indoor range.

I hesitate posting this but figure its better to risk being berated than not asking at all and not knowing where I can order from.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 3:49:47 PM EDT
Hornady makes a 5.56 TAP load, but it's hard to find. Ammunitiontogo gets some in from time to time but it sells out fast.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 3:58:37 PM EDT
Thats what I wanted to find the most but I cant find it anywhere. I DID find .223 TAP with 75grain bullets but want to get 5.56.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 6:59:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blindeye_03:
Thats what I wanted to find the most but I cant find it anywhere. I DID find .223 TAP with 75grain bullets but want to get 5.56.


.223 TAP will do in a pinch.

If it were me, I'd start with a metric ass-load of mil-surp from a respectable country, and get a goodly amount of decent self defense ammo. Once you have some bulk, then worry about finding the ideal load.

Remember, perfection is the enemy of good enough.... and good enough is exactly that.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 9:10:13 PM EDT
don't forget that there may be a significant change in the point of aim / point of impact for different brands of ammunition and especially for different bullet weights. 55 and 62 grain are usually the cheapest to train with.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 9:14:28 PM EDT
The 223 loading of 75 grn Tap puts huge holes through deer, I can tell you that much.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 1:08:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By asicmsar:
don't forget that there may be a significant change in the point of aim / point of impact for different brands of ammunition and especially for different bullet weights. 55 and 62 grain are usually the cheapest to train with.


Aware of this. Plan would be to zero w/ the 75gr ammunition and then fire whatever I plan to "plink with" - I am finding some really cheap m855 which would be great to use at an outdoor range, but would I be allowed to use this @ an indoor range??
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Link Posted: 10/27/2010 9:38:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
Originally Posted By Blindeye_03:
Thats what I wanted to find the most but I cant find it anywhere. I DID find .223 TAP with 75grain bullets but want to get 5.56.


Why?

The only difference will be noted at ranges well beyond 100y with a typical AR carbine. I don't know of any civilian or LEO shootings where they had to take a shot over 100 yards.


If the 75 grn OTM at 223 velocities performs anything in humans like it does in deer it will do well, way past its fragmentation range. I had impressive results beyond 300 yards.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 4:30:52 PM EDT
For all intents and purposes they are the same, and the Hornady 75gr TAP is great stuff, if expensive.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 5:15:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blindeye_03:
Thats what I wanted to find the most but I cant find it anywhere. I DID find .223 TAP with 75grain bullets but want to get 5.56.


Keep checking ammunitiontogo every couple of days. When they have it in stock (it will turn up eventually) whip out the plastic money.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 7:57:29 PM EDT
Don't over think an AR as self defense is a pretty close realm, and you'd have a hard time convincing any jury in the world that you had to defend yourself from anyone over 20 yds away.
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 11:43:50 AM EDT
I'd never read the article on 223relaods.com before. I'm surprised the Barnes bullets weren't mentioned anywhere as they are in the self defense ammo article here and supposed to be a good choice for SBR's from what I understand.
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 11:59:09 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 2:41:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By Altair:
I'd never read the article on 223relaods.com before. I'm surprised the Barnes bullets weren't mentioned anywhere as they are in the self defense ammo article here and supposed to be a good choice for SBR's from what I understand.

They're out of date. Doctor Roberts periodically updates his info (on M4Carbine), and the linked article has a pretty old version.


Do you have a link to it or is it on that site that I linked?
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 4:23:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/28/2010 4:25:44 PM EDT by FMJ]
OP


If you cant find 75 TAP you can use Black hills Red or Blue 75gr OTM (almost the same type bullet)

BTW
I also use 223rem pressure 75gr loads in my M4

Like Forest said Frag range is more than enough for any civi
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 5:32:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Blindeye_03:
Thats what I wanted to find the most but I cant find it anywhere. I DID find .223 TAP with 75grain bullets but want to get 5.56.


There are cases of 8126N right now in the EE, that's the load you're asking about.
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 5:33:21 PM EDT
If you remember the fact that multiple rounds to perforate your target are the perfered method and the fact that that your AR has at least 20 rounds then the whole concept of bullet selection gets a lot less complex. Any good quality bonded bullet at a decent price will work. The M855 has been pretty effective. Black Hills, Federal, Hornady etc will all work well. Just dont get caught up in the one shot stop BS.. This is another reason I like Molons 10 shot group theory. It works well on the range and in the home.
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 6:41:30 PM EDT
Gold Dots
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Link Posted: 10/29/2010 6:32:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blindeye_03:
Originally Posted By Zhukov:

Originally Posted By Altair:
I'd never read the article on 223relaods.com before. I'm surprised the Barnes bullets weren't mentioned anywhere as they are in the self defense ammo article here and supposed to be a good choice for SBR's from what I understand.

They're out of date. Doctor Roberts periodically updates his info (on M4Carbine), and the linked article has a pretty old version.


Do you have a link to it or is it on that site that I linked?


Here it is on M4carbine.net:

5.56mm Duty Load
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