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Posted: 5/22/2003 10:34:24 AM EDT

I installed one in my Maadi. took it to the range. Pulled the trigger. Bang. Tried to pull the trigger again. No pull, no bang. Worked the action. Live round popped out. Pulled the trigger. Bang. Tried to pull the trigger again. No pull, no bang. Worked the action. Live round popped out. Pulled the trigger. Bang.

What should I do?

Posted: 5/22/2003 11:33:20 AM EDT

[#1]

With firing is the bolt going all the way home? Push on the handle(safety on first) and then try. I'll bet it isn't. Maybe internals hanging up bolt a little. A little stoning required or just some break in maybe.

Try taking the top cover off and working the action. Pull trigger, etc. Do so unloaded of course. What happens.
When you work the action is there a lot of force required to pull bolt back? There should be a little bit of "hang up", for lack of a better term, but it shouldn't prevent functioning.
If it is short stroking due to hangup on the hammer and disconnector you would have this problem as the hammer is not being locked down on return of the bolt/carrier. Hence, no pull. Fire it and put on safe. Remove top cover. What do you see? Pics would be great.

Also, are you sure that the retainer is properly placed and that trigger and hammer pins are fully in place? That could definitely lead to the above problem. Eventually will work themselves out of the receiver also.

Disconnector and spring properly installed?? The disconnector spring should be fully seated into the hole for it in the trigger.

Posted: 5/22/2003 11:47:21 AM EDT

[#2]

unload the rifle and remove the action cover. inspect your hammer/trigger pivot pins to make certain they have not partially walked out of their holes in the receiver.

rack the action and cock the rifle.

assuming the bolt goes fully into battery, attempt to pull the trigger with the safety on. the safety should block trigger movement/rotation.

position the safety in the "fire" position and pull the trigger.

did the hammer release?

if not, was the disconnector hanging onto the hammer or did the trigger not have enough movement to release the hammer?

at this point, get out your instructions from rsa and simply dial in the set screws to provide sufficient movement of the trigger or disconector.

as a guess, perhaps your over-travel set screw on the trigger needs adjustment to allow more rotation of the trigger.

Posted: 5/22/2003 7:00:19 PM EDT

[#3]

Mine did the same thing.
r.s. does not give a new sheppards hook.The old one,abused as it is,allowed the hammer pin to move enough so that the hammer wouldn't catch unless the action was moved by hand.
Using WW ammo, I had a double.
New wire fixed it.

Posted: 5/22/2003 7:28:57 PM EDT

[#4]

I agree with what DR JARHEAD and CAMPYBOB say. Send me and e-mail to

[email protected]

and give me a address and I will send you a free retainer plate. Install it and let me know if that takes care of it.

Ken Roberts
President RSA

Posted: 5/23/2003 9:01:12 AM EDT

[#5]

The bolt is travelling back far enough to strip a new round, So I don't think that's the problem. It is going all the way forward, and the hammer is following it. The hammer is simply not catching on the trigger for whatever reason. It ran like a, well, like an AK before I replaced the trigger. I just sent an e-mail to Ken in response offering a plate. I'll put it in and see if it helps.

Posted: 5/23/2003 9:51:48 AM EDT

[#6]

However, everything is working properly when you cycle the action manually, is it not?

That's what makes me wonder about it short stroking for some reason and if that is the case and the only thing different is the FCG...

It might still strip a round but not reset the disconnector if this were the case. I guess the question really is what happens internally that is different with manual vs auto cycling?

Posted: 6/9/2003 8:59:48 AM EDT

[#7]

Follow up e-mail sent.

Posted: 6/10/2003 5:08:38 AM EDT

[#8]

i'm having trouble with my red star arms trigger set too, i got it set for 4 lbs and i keep getting 2 round bursts, somtimes it has the live round problem glock is having. i did n't have these problems before with the old group. i love how smooth the red star is. i must have done somthing wrong when i had it put in. i will keep you guys updated

Posted: 6/10/2003 8:26:22 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
i keep getting 2 round bursts,

Great. Now the JBT's are going to burn down your church and execute your dog.

On a seperate matter, e-mail reply received. Thanks.

Posted: 6/13/2003 10:19:16 AM EDT

[#10]

Retainer plate received in today's mail. Probably can't hit the range till Tues. Will advise.

Posted: 6/19/2003 8:59:21 AM EDT

[#11]

Replaced shepards crook with plate. Pins were defeinitely all the way in this time. Same drill at the range, exactly (fire, no pull, live round in chamber, hand charge, fire, no pull...). checked pins again. They had not walked out at all.

Checked action. No unusually difficult hang up, no extra force required to charge. After firing the new round was completely chambered, the only issue was the hammer was down instead of back.

I have not yet moved any of the set screws at all. I left them factory original. My next thought is to adjust the disconnector screws.

Posted: 6/19/2003 9:28:28 AM EDT

[#12]

After firing where is the hammer?

Probably FCG needs some adjustment. RSA will so this for you just in case you don't know that. And it's free of charge, IIRC. Only shipping.

I did post on FCG adjustment somewhere around here last week. I asked Bob about it when I did mine and between the instructions and Campybob's tips I got that thing set up just right.

Posted: 6/19/2003 11:01:56 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
After firing where is the hammer?

"After firing the new round was completely chambered, the only issue was the hammer was down instead of back."

Posted: 6/19/2003 2:30:54 PM EDT

[#14]

GLOCKshooter. What kind of AK do you have? If it is like any of my test guns I have in the vault I will set up a trigger for you and ship it out right away. Just tell me how you want it and I will make it happen. When you get the new trigger just send the old one back parcel post.

Let me know if this will work for you.

Ken Roberts
RSA

Posted: 6/19/2003 2:57:32 PM EDT

[#15]

ken i imed you with my problem did you not get it? i'm still having 2 round bursts and i have adjusted my trigger any help would be apprciated.
john

Posted: 6/19/2003 4:39:35 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
GLOCKshooter. What kind of AK do you have? If it is like any of my test guns I have in the vault I will set up a trigger for you and ship it out right away. Just tell me how you want it and I will make it happen. When you get the new trigger just send the old one back parcel post.

Let me know if this will work for you.

Ken Roberts
RSA

Ken,

Although I am honestly a little frustrated, I do appreciate your effort at correcting the issue.

There is a wide variety of AK's I will try to zero you in the best I can.

It is a Maadi MISR S/A. Post ban. 16". no muzzle device. It was originally all Egyptian except the FCG, so I had to use US floorplates and followers until I switched out the furniture (so the piston is also Egyptian). It is not the MISR 10. Not the half Egyptian, half chinese. It is designed as a double stack, not a dremelled out single stack.

The Red Star trigger is a 6th gen from sportsman's guide www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=55336&w=searchPop

As to settings, in a perfect world I would like a 2 stage with a short take up followed by a clean break that was light but not hair (4-5 lbs?). Im used to a GLOCK 35 with a 3.5 lb trigger.

In reality what I was looking for and will be happy with is a FCG that is easily identifiable by sight as US (the one that came in the Maadi only had stampings on one part, but due to the tab on the trigger it is obviously US, I just don't want any possible argument from the JBT's) and that does not have slap.

Posted: 6/19/2003 6:01:15 PM EDT

[#17]

No trouble I have a Maadi setting right here I will use to set up a 2 stage for you and get it out by Monday. Sorry I am tied up the next 2 days doing a swimsuit shoot with Miss RSA on a Red cigarette boat with some guns and stuff. I know it's hard to put down the guns and take pictures but, I will force myself to do this photo shoot.

Here is the Maadi I have.

Ken
RSA

Posted: 6/19/2003 6:19:33 PM EDT

[#18]

Heheheh. Life's a bitch.

You ought to see all the nasty crotches I gotta look at. Yuck!

Posted: 7/8/2003 8:36:57 AM EDT

[#19]

I'm going to the range tomorrow, so I dremelled the tab off my old disconnector and reinstalled the entire old FCG. Hopefully that will solve the slap.

Posted: 7/8/2003 4:44:25 PM EDT

[#20]

I knew I forgot something. I set up 2 maadi fire groups in the last week and one is setting on the table next to the rifle still. Now I know where it goes.

Ken RSA

Posted: 7/9/2003 4:16:00 AM EDT

[#21]

Whatever. I've written the cost off and fixed my problem.

Posted: 7/15/2003 10:44:02 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
No trouble I have a Maadi setting right here I will use to set up a 2 stage for you and get it out by Monday.

Received a one stage trigger sometime between Friday and today (Tues). Not sure when, I ended up in the hospital Fri. (I'll be fine). I'll mail back the first RSA trigger and $ for the retaining plate (had nothing to do with the malfunction, but is worth keeping).

I won't be able to shoot for a month, so I have no idea if the new RSA works or not. Assuming it does, I should be able to adjust it to 2 stage with the enclosed instructions.

Posted: 9/10/2003 12:42:13 PM EDT

[#23]

Finally cleared by the doctors. Took longer than I thought, but now I'm back in the game.
New trigger group did not install as pre set. Had to ajust to get it to fit into the rifle. Took it to the range. Same problem, triiger would not re-set. Turned my AK into a single shot. Put the old dremelled parts back in. Works fine, no slap. Both RSA trigger sets and $12.99 for the retaining plate will be in the mail to Ken at RSA tommorow.

My Maadi S/A is obviously different than the Maadi AKM. AK's have a lot of variations. The RSA simply is not "drop in" for MY rifle. Thanks for trying.

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