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Posted: 1/27/2019 2:01:53 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By na1lb0hm:
Have a few questions for you guys that have experience with the grendel. I'm new to the camp, and am trying to learn as much as I can as I shop for optics for my new unit. lol Wondering what zero distance is generally recommended? Most of what I plan to do will be inside 500. Probably going to be shooting 123gr A-Max's under 24 or so gr of IMR4198 w/ a 19.5" tube. Factory ammo for this stuff in Canada seems to be fairly rare at this time sadly. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:35:58 PM EDT
[#2]
 Attached File Attached FileTop picture is 31.0 grs of CFE223 behind 123gr ELDM and Fed gold medal match AR. The second was Hornady 123 gr black box. Out of my 18” gas piston Loki that usually never groups to well. I pulled the first shot, I did it several times this morning. I guess I just was out of practice. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2019 5:41:33 AM EDT
[#3]
All right I’m almost in..lol
Been looking at this thread on and off for a while. I’m bored with 556 and want something bigger I can hunt with. So looking at a 16” rifle or 12’ish pistol Leaning on the 16” So who’s got a good deal and has no oddball threads..just a 5/8” not a match barrelmper say but a good shooter with steel and brass |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2019 12:24:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Who makes the lightest 16" barrel? Looking at the faxon gunner (1.53 lbs) barrel but didnt know if there was a lighter weight option (looking to keep it at 300 or under). Putting an antelope rifle together for my wife.
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MD, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2019 2:14:34 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swanson405:
Who makes the lightest 16" barrel? Looking at the faxon gunner (1.53 lbs) barrel but didnt know if there was a lighter weight option (looking to keep it at 300 or under). Putting an antelope rifle together for my wife. |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 4:00:50 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD:
@LRRPF52 you still kicking? Just got back from SHOT. |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 6:48:24 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Yes sir. Just got back from SHOT. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Originally Posted By sparkyD:
@LRRPF52 you still kicking? Just got back from SHOT. |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 7:15:13 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD:
Cool! Are you sore from walking around? I’d be tuckered out. What was the one thing that caught your attention above all else? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD:
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Originally Posted By sparkyD:
@LRRPF52 you still kicking? Just got back from SHOT. I was sore Friday night, and every other night, like after doing a 12 mile road march. Not that bad. The digitally-integrated, flux capacitor-equipped 21.1gw phased plasma rifle upstairs on Level 3 was pretty sick. Harmonically-dampened barrel system was cool but I can't put a name on it because I never got one. ThunderBeast's new bipod and .338 Ultra SR QD suppressor are way cool. The new Aimpoint... B&T carbines and pistols Nosler introduced 3 new factory Grendel loads (90gr VG, 123gr CC, 129gr ABLR). Sierra announced they will be making ammo. |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 10:15:40 PM EDT
[#9]
does a 16" ops inc profile Grendel barrel exist? Have the urge to build a recce style. I know BA makes the 18" spr barrel but haven't seen any 16" options
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MD, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2019 11:10:47 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drago6:
does a 16" ops inc profile Grendel barrel exist? Have the urge to build a recce style. I know BA makes the 18" spr barrel but haven't seen any 16" options |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 11:26:24 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Not sore. I actually like walking around but those floors do beat the crap out of your feet. I was sore Friday night, and every other night, like after doing a 12 mile road march. Not that bad. The digitally-integrated, flux capacitor-equipped 21.1gw phased plasma rifle upstairs on Level 3 was pretty sick. Harmonically-dampened barrel system was cool but I can't put a name on it because I never got one. ThunderBeast's new bipod and .338 Ultra SR QD suppressor are way cool. The new Aimpoint... B&T carbines and pistols Nosler introduced 3 new factory Grendel loads (90gr VG, 123gr CC, 129gr ABLR). Sierra announced they will be making ammo. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Originally Posted By sparkyD:
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Originally Posted By sparkyD:
@LRRPF52 you still kicking? Just got back from SHOT. I was sore Friday night, and every other night, like after doing a 12 mile road march. Not that bad. The digitally-integrated, flux capacitor-equipped 21.1gw phased plasma rifle upstairs on Level 3 was pretty sick. Harmonically-dampened barrel system was cool but I can't put a name on it because I never got one. ThunderBeast's new bipod and .338 Ultra SR QD suppressor are way cool. The new Aimpoint... B&T carbines and pistols Nosler introduced 3 new factory Grendel loads (90gr VG, 123gr CC, 129gr ABLR). Sierra announced they will be making ammo. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2019 12:33:58 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52: Sierra announced they will be making ammo. |
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Posted: 1/29/2019 1:10:36 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington:
Any word from Barnes on a factory Grendel load using the TSX? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington:
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Sierra announced they will be making ammo. AA has had that 120gr TSX load since 2008, and PF not long after. Mark LaRue used that to take his 407yd bull elk with a 20" Stealth Grendel in 2008. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2019 1:39:08 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
I didn't make it by Barnes but there are already 2 factory 120gr TSX loads from Alexander Arms and Precision Firearms. AA has had that 120gr TSX load since 2008, and PF not long after. Mark LaRue used that to take his 407yd bull elk with a 20" Stealth Grendel in 2008. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2019 2:15:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ArmedFerret]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington: $2.50 per bullet is not my idea of a good time.  FWIW they also have 120-grain gold dots at $13/50 and I know 2 grendel shooters who've had really good accuracy from them, enough that it's their go-to hunting bullet when they don't care to splurge on Barnes. |
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Posted: 2/8/2019 8:36:30 PM EDT
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6.5 Grendel 2019 Factory Ammo List
Alexander Arms 120gr Barnes TSX HPBT 120gr Nosler Ballistic Tip 123gr Lapua Scenar HPBT 129gr Hornady SST 130gr Swift Scirocco Barnaul 100gr FMJ 110gr FMJ Copper Creek 120gr Barnes TAC-TX 123gr ELD-M 130gr Berger VLD Hunting 130gr Berger Hybrid 130gr Hornady ELD-M 6.5 Grendel load development pack Stage I 6.5 Grendel load development pack Stage II Federal 90gr TNT American Eagle 120gr Match American Eagle 120gr Fusion 130gr Berger OTM Gold Medal Match Hendershot's 95gr Hornady V-MAX 100gr ELD-M 100gr Nosler Ballistic Tip 100gr Nosler Partition 100gr Sierra HP 100gr Barnes TAC-TX 100gr Barnes TTSX 107gr Sierra Matck King 107gr Sierra Tipped Match King 120gr TTSX 120gr TAC-TX 120gr Berger Match TGT 120gr Hornady ELD-M 120gr Hornady GMX 120gr Lapua Scenar-L 120gr Nosler Ballistic Tip 123gr Hornady ELD-M 123gr Nosler Custom Competition 123gr Hornady SST 125gr Nosler Partition 130gr Berger VLD Match Hunting 130gr Berger AR Hybrid Tactical 130gr Nosler Accubond Hornady 123gr BTHP American Gunner (200rd box from Sportsman's Warehouse) 123gr SST Custom 123gr ELD-M Black McCourt Munitions 120gr Berger Night Ops 90gr TNT 95gr V-MAX 100gr Sierra JHP 100gr Nosler Ballistic Tip Nosler New for 2019 90gr Varmageddon 123gr Custom Competition 129gr Accubond Long Range Precision Firearms 100gr A-MAX 100gr Nosler Ballistic Tip 100gr Barnes TTSX 100gr Lapua Scenar HPBT 107gr Sierra Match King HPBT 108gr Lapua Scenar 120gr A-MAX 120gr Nosler Ballistic Tip 120gr Barnes TTSX 120gr Nosler E-Tip 120gr Lapua Scenar-L 123gr Sierra Match King HPBT 123gr Lapua Scenar HPBT 123gr Hornady AMAX 123gr Hornady SST 123gr Nosler Custom Competition 123gr Lapua Scenar 127gr Barnes LRX 129gr Nosler Accubond Long Range 130gr Berger VLD Hunting 130gr Berger VLD TGT PPU/Prvi Partizan 110gr FMJBT 120gr HPBT Underwood Ammo 105gr Match Solid Flash Tip 110gr Controlled Chaos Reloads of Dallas (This is new manufactured ammo with new brass loaded on single stage press using a Sartorius to within .02gr.) 123gr A-MAX 123gr Scenar Wolf 100gr FMJ (steel case) 120gr Performance |
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Posted: 2/12/2019 5:57:02 PM EDT
[#17]
So whats the current go to factory precision ammo? Is it still the Hornady 123 SSTs or are there other comparable (better?) options?
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Posted: 2/12/2019 6:13:28 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2JokersWild:
So whats the current go to factory precision ammo? Is it still the Hornady 123 SSTs or are there other comparable (better?) options? |
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Posted: 2/12/2019 8:06:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LRRPF52]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2JokersWild:
So whats the current go to factory precision ammo? Is it still the Hornady 123 SSTs or are there other comparable (better?) options? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 3:45:53 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
The most accurate factory ammo I can think of off the top of my head is 123gr SMK from PF, especially from a Bartlein barrel. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Originally Posted By 2JokersWild:
So whats the current go to factory precision ammo? Is it still the Hornady 123 SSTs or are there other comparable (better?) options? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 5:21:52 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD:
The Black Hills 123 gr SMK’s edge out the Hornady black box 123 gr ELDM. I haven’t seen any of the PF loads around here. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 9:59:07 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vmpglenn:
Where are you finding Black Hills 6.5G ammo? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vmpglenn:
Originally Posted By sparkyD:
The Black Hills 123 gr SMK’s edge out the Hornady black box 123 gr ELDM. I haven’t seen any of the PF loads around here. Haven't seen any in years personally. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 10:39:55 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Black Hills made a bunch of it for Les Baer. Haven't seen any in years personally. |
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Posted: 2/14/2019 3:25:04 PM EDT
[#24]
Someone in the LT forum that shorter 6.5 G barrels were having feeding problems, anyone having issues?
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/14/2019 3:35:56 PM EDT
[#25]
A 12” psa barrel just popped for sale for cheap, are those with these still doing good?
Or other option ? |
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Posted: 2/14/2019 4:23:09 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sea2summit:
Someone in the LT forum that shorter 6.5 G barrels were having feeding problems, anyone having issues? It has more positive return-to-battery stroke than a standard carbine spring and buffer do, as I'm using the Maxim PDW brace. I'm only several hundred rounds into it so far. I'll update once I hit 1000rds. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 2/14/2019 4:30:27 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Black Hills made a bunch of it for Les Baer. Haven't seen any in years personally. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 12:16:12 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rebels010: I have about 200 rounds of it left. For whatever reason, at 100 it did not shoot better than factory Hornady Amax in my barrels. Haven't tried it at distance, but thought it would shoot better than it did for me. Both uppers are high end and known shooters too. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 2/15/2019 10:45:31 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD:
I think it likes the.125 bolt and sporter chamber better than the.136 bolt and Grendel chambering. It showed some pressure in my 16 AA compared to the 6.5 Sporter chamber. My 16” liked the AA 120 gr Ballistic tips and my other two rifles wouldn’t shoot them worth a damn but all three rifles would shoot the Hornady Amax relatively well. I got rid of the 16” Grendel before I had a chance to play with the Hornady black box. |
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Posted: 2/15/2019 11:26:38 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD:
I think it likes the.125 bolt and sporter chamber better than the.136 bolt and Grendel chambering. It showed some pressure in my 16 AA compared to the 6.5 Sporter chamber. My 16” liked the AA 120 gr Ballistic tips and my other two rifles wouldn’t shoot them worth a damn but all three rifles would shoot the Hornady Amax relatively well. I got rid of the 16” Grendel before I had a chance to play with the Hornady black box. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD:
Originally Posted By Rebels010: I have about 200 rounds of it left. For whatever reason, at 100 it did not shoot better than factory Hornady Amax in my barrels. Haven't tried it at distance, but thought it would shoot better than it did for me. Both uppers are high end and known shooters too. From a 24", it was doing well over 2700fps for a buddy of mine. |
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Posted: 2/16/2019 9:46:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: sparkyD]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
I've heard the Black Hills load was really hot, as in well above SAAMI MAP. From a 24", it was doing well over 2700fps for a buddy of mine.  I corrected Saturn.
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Posted: 2/18/2019 2:27:38 PM EDT
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Was doing some offhand shooting for fun. Went to reload a mag and it was rattling, shook it upside down and part of the forward anti cants fell out. Very disappointing, mag can’t have more than 100 or so rounds though it, think I only used it to zero(?)
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Posted: 2/24/2019 11:30:30 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sea2summit:
Was doing some offhand shooting for fun. Went to reload a mag and it was rattling, shook it upside down and part of the forward anti cants fell out. Very disappointing, mag can’t have more than 100 or so rounds though it, think I only used it to zero(?) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/326526/584F24E1-7FC9-4389-9CAA-92347E864B24_jpeg-849894.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/326526/DECC77D6-56F2-4BDE-948E-54C6900C7233_jpeg-849895.JPG |
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Posted: 2/25/2019 10:38:13 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sea2summit:
Was doing some offhand shooting for fun. Went to reload a mag and it was rattling, shook it upside down and part of the forward anti cants fell out. Very disappointing, mag can’t have more than 100 or so rounds though it, think I only used it to zero(?) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/326526/584F24E1-7FC9-4389-9CAA-92347E864B24_jpeg-849894.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/326526/DECC77D6-56F2-4BDE-948E-54C6900C7233_jpeg-849895.JPG |
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Posted: 2/26/2019 10:05:22 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sea2summit:
Was doing some offhand shooting for fun. Went to reload a mag and it was rattling, shook it upside down and part of the forward anti cants fell out. Very disappointing, mag can’t have more than 100 or so rounds though it, think I only used it to zero(?) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/326526/584F24E1-7FC9-4389-9CAA-92347E864B24_jpeg-849894.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/326526/DECC77D6-56F2-4BDE-948E-54C6900C7233_jpeg-849895.JPG |
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Posted: 2/27/2019 9:40:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SeaVeyor2: Contact Justus H. at CPD, he was very interested in assisting me with issues I had, some of the best CS I've seen. |
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:34:15 AM EDT
[#37]
I have a new Lilja barrel, I havent had the time to REALLY do accuracy testing or chrono anything, but initial results are very promising. It shot SST really well, which is awesome because it's going on a pdog trip with me next week.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 12:05:06 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197:
I have a new Lilja barrel, I havent had the time to REALLY do accuracy testing or chrono anything, but initial results are very promising. It shot SST really well, which is awesome because it's going on a pdog trip with me next week.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/365303/received_355807975025307_jpeg-886058.JPG |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 12:20:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dbrad197]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rebby: Very nice! What are the details on the barrel? Length/profile/etc.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 1:57:25 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197:
It is the 19" AR319 profile. It's one of those that comes with a matching Maxim bolt. I've never owned a Lilja before, so far I'm very pleased with it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/365303/received_743182639411221_jpeg-887368.JPG |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 2:08:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maxxmojo: I picked up a fluted 319 a few years ago. Seems like mine didn't really care for factory SST's, though haven't tried them in a while. I've gotten the best results from handloads, though it does shoot the American Gunner ammo pretty well too. 
I tried the FGM 130gr Berger load in this Lilja and best I could do was 1.5MOA. I'm hoping to reload something in the 130gr class that will shoot good. 123gr SMK handloads over tac have been universally good shooters across my 3 rifles. I also seem to have the best SD from that handload also. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 2:44:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrad197:
My other 2 grendel's will not shoot SST, period. I almost had better groups from Wolf.
I tried the FGM 130gr Berger load in this Lilja and best I could do was 1.5MOA. I'm hoping to reload something in the 130gr class that will shoot good. 123gr SMK handloads over tac have been universally good shooters across my 3 rifles. I also seem to have the best SD from that handload also. My current loading is using the 123 ELD-M with some AR Comp behind it. Haven't tried it in my 16" AA though as I have another load I'm trying to work up with that with 129 ABLR's. I've been really happy with AR Comp as I'm getting good SD numbers with it and I've found it burns really clean. |
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Posted: 3/23/2019 5:34:13 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By maxxmojo: I recently picked up some FGM 130 gr stuff to try out. Was hoping it'd be a good reference as I'd like to also try to get a 130 load worked up, though that project has taken a backseat to some current 6.5 CM load developments I'm doing. My current loading is using the 123 ELD-M with some AR Comp behind it. Haven't tried it in my 16" AA though as I have another load I'm trying to work up with that with 129 ABLR's. I've been really happy with AR Comp as I'm getting good SD numbers with it and I've found it burns really clean. |
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Posted: 3/24/2019 9:31:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FightingHellfish]
[#44]
Stuck my toe into the Grendel water this morning-- mixed feelings so far.
Odin Works 20" DMR 1/8 barrel with the factory matched bolt. FGMM 130gr shooting right at 1" five shot groups. one group a little over at 1.125". Hornady 123 grain SST shooting five shot groups as big as 3.5". Wolf 100 grain shooting around 2.5". |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 4:50:48 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Stuck my toe into the Grendel water this morning-- mixed feelings so far. Odin Works 20" DMR 1/8 barrel with the factory matched bolt, one group a little over at 1.125". FGMM 130gr shooting right at 1" five shot groups. Hornady 123 grain SST shooting five shot groups as big as 3.5". Wolf 100 grain shooting around 2.5". |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 9:00:11 PM EDT
[#46]
I had a decent outing with my BA 12.5" barrel yesterday. Using AAC 762-SDN-6 can. 100 yards. Gun has around 100 rounds so far.
-Upper and Center of the Splatter target is Hornady American Gunner. -Larue target and lower left of Splatter target is Hornady Black.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 10:52:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RG24]
[#47]
...posted in wrong thread.
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Posted: 3/29/2019 10:51:26 PM EDT
[#48]
Got my Form 1 back last week. Got the lower together last night, went shooting at the indoor range that has my Rugged Micro 30 suppressor.
12" PSA upper, adjustable gas block, Vortex PST Gen 2 2-10x. Lower has a PSA parts kit other than the Geissele SD-E trigger and Super 42 buffer spring. ACS-L stock. I barely adjusted the PSA gas block, all I wanted was reliable function today. I got less gas in the face than I do my 5.56 rifles with Surefire SOCOM suppressors and Bootleg adjustable BCGs. I'm really impressed with the Rugged Micro 30. Wasn't as sharp of a sound as 5.56, and not nearly the recoil of 308 ARs I shoot. Only shot at 25y, next Thursday I'm hoping to go to the outdoor range and play between 300-600 yards. This rifle has the serious potential to be my favorite. I really like my 18" Grendel but it's a beast (UBR stock, DD 12" rail, PST Gen2 3-15x, Rugged Surge in jail). This has a heavier optic but nowhere near that rifle. I'm really happy with this one. |
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Posted: 3/30/2019 10:54:04 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Stuck my toe into the Grendel water this morning-- mixed feelings so far. Odin Works 20" DMR 1/8 barrel with the factory matched bolt. FGMM 130gr shooting right at 1" five shot groups. one group a little over at 1.125". Hornady 123 grain SST shooting five shot groups as big as 3.5". Wolf 100 grain shooting around 2.5".  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/31/2019 12:50:37 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington: Agreed. Accuracy has been subpar for me, especially my Ballistic Advantage barrel. Ammo is hard to find locally and expensive online. And the expensive E-Lander mags still suck sometimes. It's really far from perfect. When it works, it's great. |
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