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Posted: 9/1/2018 10:34:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: daddytallguy]
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I shot my 18" jp enterprise medium contour barrel with a sandman s using 123 American gunner ammo. I was getting ok results from the gun, ammo and the sandman l. Around one moa or hair over. I wanted to use my sandman s and see what my poi change with and without the suppressor. I shot 2 groups very similar to this one below at 96 yards. 7 rounds in the picture below.
The gun and shooting setup: 
I don't spend much time with it as my 12 faxon group buy barrel is my primary for the class. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:59:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daddytallguy:
I shot my 18" jp enterprise medium contour barrel with a sandman s using 123 American gunner ammo. I was getting ok results from the gun, ammo and the sandman l. Around one moa or hair over. I wanted to use my sandman s and see what my poi change with and without the suppressor. I shot 2 groups very similar to this one below at 96 yards. 7 rounds in the picture below. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/404018/Screenshot_20180831-170438_Range_Buddy_Pro-657133.jpg The gun and shooting setup: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/404018/LRM_EXPORT_925131827276078_20180831_163436169-657111.jpg I don't spend much time with it as my 12 faxon group buy barrel is my primary for the class. |
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Posted: 9/29/2018 7:52:36 PM EDT
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Managed to shoot this group today @100 yards with my 12" running the American Gunner ammo. Loving the new Magpul bipod!
I really need to shoot more, out of practice shooting off a bench 
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Posted: 10/2/2018 9:44:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/2/2018 10:14:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bill3508: What ammo are you using in your 12" and with what success? I'm having difficulty with both my 12s. Initially I thought it was the barrel but I think it's just the length as both barrels shoot similar. |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 10:24:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronnoc:
PSA 12" CARBINE-LENGTH 6.5 GRENDEL 1/8 NITRIDE 10" LIGHTWEIGHT M-LOK UPPER - WITH BCG & CH - for $279 |
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Posted: 10/2/2018 11:03:53 PM EDT
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This is 4150 CMV, not the stainless ones.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 10/3/2018 1:43:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daddytallguy: I'm getting around 1 to 1.25 moa at 100 yards. Some of that is my doing. Yes I get groups smaller than that but also I'm learning how to setup a rifle and shoot better. When shooting at 400 to 600 with the gunner 123gr, I was told I was averaging about 1.2 moa at those distances from the an experienced scope spotter. Sort of surprised me. I have tried black, sst, gunner, and wolf. Wolf was terrible in my 12". All the ammo was about the same. I'm shooting 100% suppressed too. |
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Posted: 10/3/2018 8:34:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronnoc:
This is 4150 CMV, not the stainless ones. The Stainless one is $100 more |
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Posted: 10/4/2018 8:39:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ronnoc]
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2018 3:05:53 PM EDT
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Subsonic Grendel ammo possible?
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Posted: 10/16/2018 10:23:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronnoc:
Subsonic Grendel ammo possible? |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2018 11:22:15 PM EDT
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Is there any load data for it? Did it stabilize okay?
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Posted: 10/17/2018 5:54:12 AM EDT
[#14]
 " />@LRRPF52 if I bring this down to Utah will you show me the ins and outs? 19" Lilja, with some Geissele parts here and there. Yes I know I am missing a mount lol |
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:57:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronnoc:
Is there any load data for it? Did it stabilize okay? 160gr Hornady Round Nose is the most popular subsonic bullet people have used. Grendel twist rates range from 1/7.5" to 1/9", mostly 1/8" or tighter, so it stabilizes just fine and some have done penetration tests in water jugs. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 2:21:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye29:
http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb436/hawkeye297/IMG_0368_zpsqiu5akzk.jpg" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb436/hawkeye297/IMG_0368_zpsqiu5akzk.jpg @LRRPF52 if I bring this down to Utah will you show me the ins and outs? 19" Lilja, with some Geissele parts here and there. Yes I know I am missing a mount lol 
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Posted: 10/20/2018 1:41:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sea2summit: I have an LT-845 that would go really well with that rifle |
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Posted: 11/5/2018 6:02:15 PM EDT
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I was just out shooting the past 2 weekends with the little 12" Grendel, on steel from 350-800yds.
You'd be surprised how repeatable it is to ring the steel at 800yds with this thing, shooting factory 123gr Hornady AG or 120gr Federal OTM Match. 
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Posted: 11/6/2018 5:43:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
I was just out shooting the past 2 weekends with the little 12" Grendel, on steel from 350-800yds. You'd be surprised how repeatable it is to ring the steel at 800yds with this thing, shooting factory 123gr Hornady AG or 120gr Federal OTM Match. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/65%20Grendel%20Reloading/b2653284-cb6c-4d48-8624-fe356fbc5ba2_zpssmtcxzcm.jpg |
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Posted: 11/6/2018 1:02:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sea2summit:
Adjustable gas block or no? 
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USA
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Posted: 11/6/2018 10:40:18 PM EDT
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LRRPF52, looks like you hooked another. How many since you hooked me into the Grendel, 15, more? That eye candy short barrel sets the hook. Glad I did build my 12 inch. One hell of an AR.
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Posted: 11/7/2018 1:55:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bearcat24:
LRRPF52, looks like you hooked another. How many since you hooked me into the Grendel, 15, more? That eye candy short barrel sets the hook. Glad I did build my 12 inch. One hell of an AR. The funny thing is, I looked at this cartridge back in the day as something exotic, probably wouldn't work with mags, lots of questions about it. I answered those questions by getting my first 16" barrel/bolt combo and testing it out on my own. Most of what I learned was opposite of what I was hearing and reading about 16" Grendels at the time. (Not enough mv, really needs 24" to be worth it, etc.) I then played with 18" a lot for 3 years, and now I'm going to be working with my 12" Grendel for the next 3 years. So far, my expectations have genuinely been exceeded across the board. Reliability was my biggest concern, and this one cycles more positively than my 18" or 16" builds (which have all been very reliable). Since I'm suppressed, it will be interesting to see how it all pans out. Biggest difference between the others is that I clean it after each range trip, since fouling is worse than a standard set-up. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/7/2018 9:36:16 PM EDT
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I thought about building another but really don’t see the point. My 12 inch shoots great and on Grendel forum, folks with longer barrels shooting what I shoot are only getting 200 fps or so more that what I am getting. Put a brake on it for my suppressor but hand guard is to small for suppressor to go on. Will be taking a dremel to it soon. Hoping sound is reduced enough that I don’t need ear plugs.
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Posted: 11/7/2018 11:31:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bearcat24:
I thought about building another but really don’t see the point. My 12 inch shoots great and on Grendel forum, folks with longer barrels shooting what I shoot are only getting 200 fps or so more that what I am getting. Put a brake on it for my suppressor but hand guard is to small for suppressor to go on. Will be taking a dremel to it soon. Hoping sound is reduced enough that I don’t need ear plugs. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2018 2:06:46 AM EDT
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Serious question, does 6.5 Grendel bullets tend to deflect easier than others?
I previously hunted with .270 and .308 bolt guns, always got deer. I hunt in woods in north-central MO. Last year I shot at a buck at 35 yards and no hit, it was in some brush. I was so pissed I went straight to the range to verify my zero and was shooting MOA and less at 50 and 100. Today I had a buck in my sights at about 50-60 yards, shot and nothing. I have shot a lot of deer with my .270 but two very nice bucks missed with my Grendel has me a bit perturbed. I am shooting out of an Odin Works 16" barrel with a YHM TI suppressor with a Nikon Prostaff 5 using Hornady factory or handloads, can't remember which, 123 SSTs. |
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Posted: 11/11/2018 7:46:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronnoc:
Serious question, does 6.5 Grendel bullets tend to deflect easier than others? I previously hunted with .270 and .308 bolt guns, always got deer. I hunt in woods in north-central MO. Last year I shot at a buck at 35 yards and no hit, it was in some brush. I was so pissed I went straight to the range to verify my zero and was shooting MOA and less at 50 and 100. Today I had a buck in my sights at about 50-60 yards, shot and nothing. I have shot a lot of deer with my .270 but two very nice bucks missed with my Grendel has me a bit perturbed. I am shooting out of an Odin Works 16" barrel with a YHM TI suppressor with a Nikon Prostaff 5 using Hornady factory or handloads, can't remember which, 123 SSTs. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 11:50:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronnoc:
Serious question, does 6.5 Grendel bullets tend to deflect easier than others? I previously hunted with .270 and .308 bolt guns, always got deer. I hunt in woods in north-central MO. Last year I shot at a buck at 35 yards and no hit, it was in some brush. I was so pissed I went straight to the range to verify my zero and was shooting MOA and less at 50 and 100. Today I had a buck in my sights at about 50-60 yards, shot and nothing. I have shot a lot of deer with my .270 but two very nice bucks missed with my Grendel has me a bit perturbed. I am shooting out of an Odin Works 16" barrel with a YHM TI suppressor with a Nikon Prostaff 5 using Hornady factory or handloads, can't remember which, 123 SSTs. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2018 12:53:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronnoc:
Serious question, does 6.5 Grendel bullets tend to deflect easier than others? I previously hunted with .270 and .308 bolt guns, always got deer. I hunt in woods in north-central MO. Last year I shot at a buck at 35 yards and no hit, it was in some brush. I was so pissed I went straight to the range to verify my zero and was shooting MOA and less at 50 and 100. Today I had a buck in my sights at about 50-60 yards, shot and nothing. I have shot a lot of deer with my .270 but two very nice bucks missed with my Grendel has me a bit perturbed. I am shooting out of an Odin Works 16" barrel with a YHM TI suppressor with a Nikon Prostaff 5 using Hornady factory or handloads, can't remember which, 123 SSTs. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 3:06:28 PM EDT
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I pickup my first 6.5 on Thursday. Reloading isn't an issue but it's still a little disconcerting not being able to find much on the LGS shelves.
That said and assuming I like the way this caliber works, I may put together a DMR-esque AR. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2018 4:21:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By garred8787: Not saying this is the issue but could it be a lock time issue? AR's have a slight delay from the time the trigger is pulled till fired in relation to a bolt gun. could be that with the deer fever you could be flinching slightly and it's exaggerated more with the AR platform because of the lock time? May just be some bad luck. I was just wondering about deflection on the round vs. others. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 12:40:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ronnoc: Don't think so, deer was just moseying along. I shoot my Grendels quite a bit and pretty familiar with them, not to mention, there is a rifle rest on my stand and was using it. Way past the deer fever/buck fever part, shot too many deer for that to matter to me, sometimes several a year. Not saying I couldn't have goosed it and missed, but I am confident in my shooting. I could have hit something on the way there. Do use a scope at 3x as you need it, freaking things are invisible when standing still in heavier stuff. May just be some bad luck. I was just wondering about deflection on the round vs. others. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:28:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Over the years, I've slowly learned to like this cartridge more and more, and they are replicating like Gremlins now. I'm even thinking my retros need to be Grendel's. I like that the recoil is basically like an SKS, but the impact is much closer to a .308, especially when compared to .223 Rem, no matter what target bullet you try in the mouse guns. Punching Steel 17.6" Lilja Barrel http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/IMG_7557_zpsdryva40g.jpg 16" AA Barrel-Target is just above the red dot in the picture getting smacked, with dust kick-up from the spall. http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/42d4a731-2929-4c92-8791-80b85d2eeb60_zpsdsrb3xgx.jpg 18" Midway Fluted Barrel http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/IMG_7177_zps3i4byxa1.jpg |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:37:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By demoMouse:
HOT! 6.5 Grendel is rapidly climbing the list of next-build calibers in my book |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 4:37:09 PM EDT
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Here is a picture that somewhat conveys that this isn't just hype:
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Posted: 11/16/2018 10:27:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Here is a picture that somewhat conveys that this isn't just hype: http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/65%20Grendel%20Reloading/282b205f-8dd2-4061-8728-dde5e4ab4c30_zpsuqnm5t2u.jpg 
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:29:11 PM EDT
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The Grendel lost its virgin status. Straight on shot, broke the right shoulder and split the heart into a V, Hornady 123gr SST at about 50 yards.
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Posted: 11/17/2018 2:49:49 PM EDT
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Nicely done!!
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IL, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2018 2:01:19 AM EDT
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Heres a question. Im building a Ballistic Advantage 6.5 Sbr 12.5 barrel which optic would u guys choose?
Viper Pst II 2-10 or 3-15. Keep in mind i have an rmr laying around to use also for bad breath distance. My local range goes out to 600. |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 3:05:13 AM EDT
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I have the PST 2-10 on my 12" upper, 3-15 on my 18"
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IL, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2018 3:13:32 AM EDT
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Do you think the 3-5 would be akward on such a small gun? I have a 2-10 on a larue stealth 18 inch 556 and two 5-25’s on my Tikka’s. No experience with anything in between. Also hoping i didnt make a mistake with the ballistic advantage over the faxon. I could of went higher end but didnt want to wait the 8-10 week lead that precision firearms has on a Lilja. Im sure it wont be as good just hoping it wont be night and day
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IL, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2018 3:14:02 PM EDT
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Went with the 3-15. I figured id swap it out with my other 2-10 if it made the grendel unwieldy. Anyone have any experience with the 12.5 BA barrel at distance or with certain loads? Love to hear from you guys thanks
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OK, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2018 8:49:16 PM EDT
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Just ordered the 12.5 BA barrel. Glad I was finally able to do it, looking forward to hunting with it next year.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2018 9:17:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Here is a picture that somewhat conveys that this isn't just hype: http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/65%20Grendel%20Reloading/282b205f-8dd2-4061-8728-dde5e4ab4c30_zpsuqnm5t2u.jpg |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 10:21:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LRRPF52]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IndyGrendel63:
LRRPF52, what do you think of the howa mini action? I just bought a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Grendel and accuracy wise it is very good (3/4 moa) but compared to my remington 700 or winchester the action is not very smooth. Feeding out of an AR mag is not the best thing in a bolt gun. Anyway, been thinking about trading off the Ruger for a howa ( which I should have bought in the first place ). Any opinions on the Ruger v/s Howa? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IndyGrendel63:
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Here is a picture that somewhat conveys that this isn't just hype: http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j422/LRRPF52/65%20Grendel%20Reloading/282b205f-8dd2-4061-8728-dde5e4ab4c30_zpsuqnm5t2u.jpg That is typical of the Howa 1500s. The Mini has very short bolt travel since the action is so tiny, making an overall lightweight and handy little rifle that packs more punch than you would think. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 9:38:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ar15joe]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IndyGrendel63:
LRRPF52, what do you think of the howa mini action? I just bought a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Grendel and accuracy wise it is very good (3/4 moa) but compared to my remington 700 or winchester the action is not very smooth. Feeding out of an AR mag is not the best thing in a bolt gun. Anyway, been thinking about trading off the Ruger for a howa ( which I should have bought in the first place ). Any opinions on the Ruger v/s Howa? Check this thread out - how to get your Ruger American slicker action https://rugerforum.net/ruger-bolt-action/211298-how-should-i-smooth-bolt-ruger-american.html IMHO - AR mag + bolt gun = more versatile |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 11:34:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15joe:
@IndyGrendel63 Check this thread out - how to get your Ruger American slicker action https://rugerforum.net/ruger-bolt-action/211298-how-should-i-smooth-bolt-ruger-american.html IMHO - AR mag + bolt gun = more versatile Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar15joe:
Originally Posted By IndyGrendel63:
LRRPF52, what do you think of the howa mini action? I just bought a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Grendel and accuracy wise it is very good (3/4 moa) but compared to my remington 700 or winchester the action is not very smooth. Feeding out of an AR mag is not the best thing in a bolt gun. Anyway, been thinking about trading off the Ruger for a howa ( which I should have bought in the first place ). Any opinions on the Ruger v/s Howa? Check this thread out - how to get your Ruger American slicker action https://rugerforum.net/ruger-bolt-action/211298-how-should-i-smooth-bolt-ruger-american.html IMHO - AR mag + bolt gun = more versatile And i do agree that bolt + AR mag = versatile... but cycling the bolt just like an AR does or it will jam is not a selling factor for me. I’ll take reliability over a slight edge foe versatility any day. So, do you want to buy a slightly used Ruger predator?
I kid, I kid... don’t want to get banned. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 1:26:14 PM EDT
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Have a few questions for you guys that have experience with the grendel. I'm new to the camp, and am trying to learn as much as I can as I shop for optics for my new unit. lol
Wondering what zero distance is generally recommended? Most of what I plan to do will be inside 500. Probably going to be shooting 123gr A-Max's under 24 or so gr of IMR4198 w/ a 19.5" tube. Factory ammo for this stuff in Canada seems to be fairly rare at this time sadly. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 1:44:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By na1lb0hm:
Have a few questions for you guys that have experience with the grendel. I'm new to the camp, and am trying to learn as much as I can as I shop for optics for my new unit. lol Wondering what zero distance is generally recommended? Most of what I plan to do will be inside 500. Probably going to be shooting 123gr A-Max's under 24 or so gr of IMR4198 w/ a 19.5" tube. Factory ammo for this stuff in Canada seems to be fairly rare at this time sadly. |
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Posted: 1/27/2019 9:35:38 AM EDT
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@LRRPF52 you still kicking?
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Posted: 1/27/2019 1:59:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By demoMouse:
HOT! 6.5 Grendel is rapidly climbing the list of next-build calibers in my book |
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