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i was just looking at a thread on 1911forum.com started by a member named ugotbit titled "help me build my meusoc clone" which shows a few genuine meusoc pic's one of which is a springfield proffesional model with forward serrations and a set of kings ambi. thumb safety's .i was amazed to see the kings safety still in use. hopefully someone here can post a link. great pictures!!! including a usmc team pistol with a caspian slide & usgi frame
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Thats me.
![]() The wind got knocked out of my sails when the Millet sights became unobtainium. Still thinking of my next move, got cought up building another rifle. ![]() ETA-LINK-1911 FORUM Some good info since I checked last! |
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Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Thats me. ![]() The wind got knocked out of my sails when the Millet sights became unobtainium. Still thinking of my next move, got cought up building another rifle. ![]() I've been thinking of using an over sized Novak front sight filed to a close representation of the Millet profile. |
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Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Thats me. ![]() The wind got knocked out of my sails when the Millet sights became unobtainium. Still thinking of my next move, got cought up building another rifle. ![]() ETA-LINK-1911 FORUM Some good info since I checked last! Cool pics the guy posted of the Pro/MEU(SOC) .45. Despite some misinformation posted in that thread, these were not purchsed commercially by units in "small lots of 5 or 10." Not sure where that guy came up with that LOL, but it's incorrect. MARCORSYSCOM purchased 50 Pros for Det 1 when it was stood up as a stopgap so training could get underway prior to delivery of the Kimber ICQBs. These were standard Pros but without nightsights, with a lanyard loop on the magazine well, and with the Pachmayr grips. When the Kimbers were delivered, SYSCOM took the Pros back and they got mixed into the system at the PWS, and as those great pics seem to attest, have eventually (over the course of what is likely several rebuilds each) become regular old MEU(SOC) .45s now with King's thumb safeties added, front cocking serrations cut, and the mag wells removed. ETA: Unlike the erroneous poster in that other thread, I have a source for my info- "Springfield Armory's Professional Model, A Supplemental Pistol for Military Use?" by Pat Rogers, S.W.A.T., December 2003, pgs. 56-57. |
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anybody know if anything is done to the magwell?
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Originally Posted By Augee:
Just a brief update- I do in fact intend to finish this up at some point in time, however, due to a quite interesting series of events, I ended up being seperated from my primary lap-top, and will not be re-united with it- or most of my research materials for this article, until most likely the end of January at least. I'm glad to see the MEU(SOC) inspired builds everyone is posting, and perhaps in time, we can get a MEU(SOC)-inspired/style pic thread going. Incidentally, on an impulse, I just bought this pistol - http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/197338000/197338671/pix280675254.jpg an "NM" frame SA Loaded parked on gunbroker so I'm sure y'all can guess where this is headed, for starters, I'll probably just slap some Pachmayr grips (anyone got an extra set? ![]() ~Augee To each his own, I like it how it is. |
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AR15's are like cars, upgrades to make them run better are cool, upgrades to make them look cooler are dumb.
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Nothing wrong with it the way it is, but between the TRP and SA Custom I've got... well, I didn't really need another Loaded except specifically to put together a MEU(SOC) clone
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...and those Simonich Gunners in Coyote Brown look fine too...I like it...
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Talked to a Marine Master Sgt last night at the passenger terminal at Bagram Airfield. He was carrying a MEUSOC 1911 with ambi safety, Wilson mag and condition 3 (FOB rules).
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CD, when're you gonna do a similar write-up on USASOC 1911s?
![]() Love hearing about them "in the wild," less enthused hearing that you had to hang in the PAX terminal at Bagram... or anywhere at Bagram for that matter... ~Augee |
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I was waiting on my flight going west to Salerno. All the M1911 and A1s I've been issued have been stock. Oh, how I wish I was carrying a 1911 on this long deployment. The SF Group gunsmiths were doing what ever modes the operator wanted within reason when I retired. I'll get up with my son to see what modes he has on his 1911.
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I've seen a few references to a Springfield Armory Professional Model (PC9111MC) ordered by the Marines back in 2005. Does anyone know more about this configuration? From what I've been able to dig up it appears a standard dustcover SA Professional with the Pachmayr grips used on the MEUSOC pistol. Curious whether it has the 20LPI frontstrap underneath the rubber grips - I'd expect it does as SA is pretty strict about the Professional specifications.
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Augee,
Excellent post - thanks for the additional information. There is an excellent reference on the formation of Det One available available here. There are some photos, but only a few that show 1911s in use. Pages 26-27 discuss the ICQB procurement. ![]() However, I think there may have been two distinct procurements of the Professional for USMC use. I had also read about the procurement of 50 Springfield Professionals by Marine Corps Systems Command for Det One use in 2003. However, it appears that there was another order for 150 additional PC9111MC models in 2005. I doubt these are related to the Det One procurement, as that unit was coming to the end of its proof of concept period and this is after the ICQB fielding. MEU(SOC) 45 caliber pistols General Information Document Type: SNOTE Posted Date: Feb 15, 2005 Category: Weapons Set Aside: N/A Contracting Office Address Department of the Navy, United States Marine Corps, Marine Corps Systems Command, 2200 Lester Street, Quantico, VA, 22134-5010 Description This is notice of intended sole-source procurement on behalf of the Marine Corps Systems Command (MCSC). The procurement is for Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU), SOC .45 caliber pistol posted in accordance with FAR 5.101(a)(1). The Marine Corps Systems Command (MARCORSYSCOM) intends to contract on a sole-source basis with Springfield Armory, 420 West Main Street, Geneseo, IL 61254 for MEU (SOC) .45 caliber pistol and associated packaging, marking and shipment. The following represents the governments intended parts list with quantities covered by this solicitation: (1) PC9111MC: Professional 1911-A1 .45ACR pistols Number: 150 The anticipated dollar amount is $284,850.00 Period of Performance: Date of Contract to 31 March 2005. FOB: Destination Delivery Point(s): 1. 75 pistols delivered to: DODAAC: MMSA01 Marine Corps Logistics Base Albany, GA Traffic Management Officer MCLB Bldg 1221 Dr 20 MF FSD MMSA01 Weapons Whse 1340 Dr 9 Albany, GA 31704-5000 Attn: Mr. Willie Harris, (229) 639-5533 2. 75 pistols delivered to: DODAAC: MMSA02 Marine Corps Logistics Base Barstow, CA DLA and G MF MMSA02 Bldg 625 WE Yermo Annex FSD MCLB Barstow, CA 92311-5048 Attn: Ms Jane Sloat or Mr. Tony Marquez Phone: 760-577-7345 Responsible sources capable of satisfying this requirement are encouraged to submit a statement of capability and costs, which, if timely received, will be considered. Information must be provided to the contact cited above not later than 3:00 PM (EST) 16 March 2005. Original Point of Contact Place of Performance Address: AS STIPULATED IN BODY OF ANNOUNCEMENT |
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Thanks for that reference, I'll definitely give it a good read through when I get the chance!
I think you're correct about the numbers and timeframes for the Pro, as I said, I don't have all my references about me, which is why I haven't completed the whole thing yet ![]() ~Augee |
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It is interesting to me that there are any variants of the Professional at all. Talking to the Springfield Custom Shop, my understanding is that the Pro comes one way and one way only - as specified by the FBI. The Custom Shop will make 1911s to order - such as the Custom Carry - but they don't bear the Professional rollmark even if they are built to the same standards.
Certainly curious to hear more about new Springfield Armory pistols entering military service. |
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Originally Posted By JSGlock34:
It is interesting to me that there are any variants of the Professional at all. Talking to the Springfield Custom Shop, my understanding is that the Pro comes one way and one way only - as specified by the FBI. The Custom Shop will make 1911s to order - such as the Custom Carry - but they don't bear the Professional rollmark even if they are built to the same standards. Certainly curious to hear more about new Springfield Armory pistols entering military service. im sure the military can get pretty much whatever they want, you as a civilian? not so much lol...but why isnt this stickied yet?!? |
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Does anyone know the correct height and width Millett front sight? Or even the part number?
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Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Does anyone know the correct height and width Millett front sight? Or even the part number? im pretty sure its been discontinued...theres a few people who make a plain black sight thats pretty close though, and paired with the grizzly customs retro rear sight, you have a pretty good set of "meusoc clone sights"... ETA: this guy http://www.samscustomgunworksusa.com/meusoc.html says he uses a millet and makes his own rear, you might get a set from him... |
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Originally Posted By MattNificent:
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Does anyone know the correct height and width Millett front sight? Or even the part number? im pretty sure its been discontinued...theres a few people who make a plain black sight thats pretty close though, and paired with the grizzly customs retro rear sight, you have a pretty good set of "meusoc clone sights"... ETA: this guy http://www.samscustomgunworksusa.com/meusoc.html says he uses a millet and makes his own rear, you might get a set from him... I know they have been disccontinued, but I picked up a .200 wide serrated ramp Millet, and wanted to know if this was correct or if they used the wider .225 I did shoot sams an email previously, but he didn't have any to spare. Dave Berryhill has been a great help to me and put up with all my stupid questions. I can't say enough good things about him, just wish the parts were still available for him to make me a clone. I'm hoping to track down all the correct pieces and see if I can talk him into it ![]() Thanks, and I'll check out the grizzly, I also had eyed the Harrison "retro" rear. |
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Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Originally Posted By MattNificent:
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Does anyone know the correct height and width Millett front sight? Or even the part number? im pretty sure its been discontinued...theres a few people who make a plain black sight thats pretty close though, and paired with the grizzly customs retro rear sight, you have a pretty good set of "meusoc clone sights"... ETA: this guy http://www.samscustomgunworksusa.com/meusoc.html says he uses a millet and makes his own rear, you might get a set from him... I know they have been disccontinued, but I picked up a .200 wide serrated ramp Millet, and wanted to know if this was correct or if they used the wider .225 I did shoot sams an email previously, but he didn't have any to spare. Dave Berryhill has been a great help to me and put up with all my stupid questions. I can't say enough good things about him, just wish the parts were still available for him to make me a clone. I'm hoping to track down all the correct pieces and see if I can talk him into it ![]() Thanks, and I'll check out the grizzly, I also had eyed the Harrison "retro" rear. hell id say being within .025 is plenty close enough! lol...i like a thinner front sight and wider rear sight anyways....yes i bug dave from time to time with questions also, hes a stand up guy....the grizzly and harrison are the same i think, and the yost-bonitz? you wouldnt happen to be able to get any more of those front sights would you? |
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Originally Posted By MattNificent:
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Does anyone know the correct height and width Millett front sight? Or even the part number? im pretty sure its been discontinued...theres a few people who make a plain black sight thats pretty close though, and paired with the grizzly customs retro rear sight, you have a pretty good set of "meusoc clone sights"... ETA: this guy http://www.samscustomgunworksusa.com/meusoc.html says he uses a millet and makes his own rear, you might get a set from him... I've seen Millets pop up from time to time on GB. I bought a .185" a few months ago, but haven't decided if I want to use that or shape an oversized Novak front sight. |
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Matt- if I do come across an extra sight I will let you know. I did find some kings ambi safety's, but they are SS not blued.
Does anyone know the correct size of the stamps used to stamp the various parts? |
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Great thread....needs a tack!
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Anyone know where I could pick up a serrated flat MSH with lanyard loop for my MEU clone. I haven't been able to locate one.
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Originally Posted By marios5469:
Anyone know where I could pick up a serrated flat MSH with lanyard loop for my MEU clone. I haven't been able to locate one. http://www.smithandalexander.com/spr-housing.html |
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Hmmmmmm
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"All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is a surrender. For it is all give and no take." -Ghandi
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Thanks to this thread, I'm ramping up to finally do a MEU-SOC build. I'll be using a Sistema Colt Modelo 1927 frame as a starting point. I figure it's old like the 1911A1 frames the USMC is using.
Where can I find a lanyard similar to the USMC style? |
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for the serrated flat msh ,give caspianarms a call,i just ordered 2 of them yesterday. i was told by the sales guy that they are mainly made for gov.contracts,but that they did still have a few left for sale. just make sure that you order the carbon steel version and not the stainless steel model.i beleive that they were around $31.00
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my caspian flat serrated msh with lanyard loop came today which was quick!! the part number is R42FBL now if i could only track down a slide from a parkerized loaded model,i could finaly complete my new version meusoc build
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Originally Posted By ugotbit:
I know they have been disccontinued, but I picked up a .200 wide serrated ramp Millet, and wanted to know if this was correct or if they used the wider .225 Those measurements indicate the sight's height not it's width. |
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Originally Posted By joelad:
Thanks to this thread, I'm ramping up to finally do a MEU-SOC build. I'll be using a Sistema Colt Modelo 1927 frame as a starting point. I figure it's old like the 1911A1 frames the USMC is using. Where can I find a lanyard similar to the USMC style? I wouldn't mess up a Sistema Colt to make a MEU-SOC build, but if you just happen to have the frame, knock yourself out. The lanyards are usually Gemtech breakaways. You can find those, or the similar Blackhawk lanyards, at most any gear shop online. |
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"What we always do. Fight 'em until we can't.", CPT Kara Thrace |
Originally Posted By m499:
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
I know they have been disccontinued, but I picked up a .200 wide serrated ramp Millet, and wanted to know if this was correct or if they used the wider .225 Those measurements indicate the sight's height not it's width. I ment that, for some reason I was thinking the size of the tenon and got messed up. So witch is the correct height? Nice score on the Clark Matt, I found a SS Clark myself and a Kings safety. I have all the parts, just looking to pick up a Mil-Spec to use as a base gun. |
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Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Originally Posted By m499:
Originally Posted By ugotbit:
I know they have been disccontinued, but I picked up a .200 wide serrated ramp Millet, and wanted to know if this was correct or if they used the wider .225 Those measurements indicate the sight's height not it's width. I ment that, for some reason I was thinking the size of the tenon and got messed up. So witch is the correct height? Nice score on the Clark Matt, I found a SS Clark myself and a Kings safety. I have all the parts, just looking to pick up a Mil-Spec to use as a base gun. thanks...hey could you send me some pics of the kings ambi? side and looking down views? |
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Matt-
Figure I'd just post them here incase others want a look. ![]() ![]() The Caspian is the closest in production safety I have found to match the Kings. LINK |
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Originally Posted By ugotbit:
Matt- Figure I'd just post them here incase others want a look. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b350/ugotbit/PC240188.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b350/ugotbit/PC240187.jpg The Caspian is the closest in production safety I have found to match the Kings. LINK thanks! yeah i noticed the caspian was pretty close, but i couldnt find any good pics of the kings to compare... |
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Does anyone know how much a Kings #201-A would go for? I have a used blue one that is with the package that I am going to sell, but I don't know what they go for since they don't make them anymore?
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