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So out of curiosity, I turns out all the lights in my apartment and pointed my SCS toward the sun lit window, but still 6’ or so into the room. It performed better than I thought. Now I need to figure out a decent way to clean smudges off the lens.  Also it’s a pain in the ass to get a sharp reticle image with an iPhone. 
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Originally Posted By NorthPolar: So out of curiosity, I turns out all the lights in my apartment and pointed my SCS toward the sun lit window, but still 6' or so into the room. It performed better than I thought. Now I need to figure out a decent way to clean smudges off the lens. Also it's a pain in the ass to get a sharp reticle image with an iPhone. https://i.imgur.com/JucllKi.jpg Attached File Attached File |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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I gave something a go that I haven't heard much discussion about, but I know people have done it. My SCS-MP2 had an okay fit to the MOS footprint; without securing the screws there was maybe the slightest detectable longitudinal movement, but there was definitely some transverse and rotational movement. There were also tiny gaps between the front and back of the optic and the slide. This led me to conclude that there was some likelihood that the screws and surface friction were the only things transferring forces between the optic and slide during recoil. I decided to bed the optic with JB Weld. After thoroughly degreasing the slide, I placed tiny dots of the epoxy on the front, rear and tops of the two circular bosses in the optic cut, and then a small line in the creases at the front and rear of the cut. I figured this would give me the maximum number of bearing surfaces between the optic and slide. I then applied a coating of Aquafor to the underside and front and rear of the optic to serve as a release agent, and installed the optic to 15 in-lbs. 24 hours later, I took the screws out and was able to pop the optic out with a pretty decent tug. A few specs of JB Weld transferred to the optic but they wiped off with alcohol. Based on the appearance of the epoxy after the optic came off, I'm kind of glad I did this. It seems that the SCS did not engage much of the optic cut that could support it under recoil. For what it's worth, I didn't do this as an accuracy measure, but a durability measure. Make sure to cover the entire bottom, front and back of the optic with a release agent, degrease the slide, use tiny dots of epoxy (enough to fit on the end of a toothpick), and don't get epoxy anywhere near the screw holes. Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda: https://i.imgur.com/vOzJt8Y.jpg Good man with the manual Taco |
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Originally Posted By Will816: I gave something a go that I haven't heard much discussion about, but I know people have done it. My SCS-MP2 had an okay fit to the MOS footprint; without securing the screws there was maybe the slightest detectable longitudinal movement, but there was definitely some transverse and rotational movement. There were also tiny gaps between the front and back of the optic and the slide. This led me to conclude that there was some likelihood that the screws and surface friction were the only things transferring forces between the optic and slide during recoil. I decided to bed the optic with JB Weld. After thoroughly degreasing the slide, I placed tiny dots of the epoxy on the front, rear and tops of the two circular bosses in the optic cut, and then a small line in the creases at the front and rear of the cut. I figured this would give me the maximum number of bearing surfaces between the optic and slide. I then applied a coating of Aquafor to the underside and front and rear of the optic to serve as a release agent, and installed the optic to 15 in-lbs. 24 hours later, I took the screws out and was able to pop the optic out with a pretty decent tug. A few specs of JB Weld transferred to the optic but they wiped off with alcohol. Based on the appearance of the epoxy after the optic came off, I'm kind of glad I did this. It seems that the SCS did not engage much of the optic cut that could support it under recoil. For what it's worth, I didn't do this as an accuracy measure, but a durability measure. Make sure to cover the entire bottom, front and back of the optic with a release agent, degrease the slide, use tiny dots of epoxy (enough to fit on the end of a toothpick), and don't get epoxy anywhere near the screw holes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG_6468_jpeg-2913822.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG_6469_jpeg-2913823.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG_6471_jpeg-2913824.JPG I assume this is a permanent slide modification and you *may* be married to that specific optic too. It seems that your suspicions were well founded given the amount of epoxy needed to bed. |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By Will816: I gave something a go that I haven't heard much discussion about, but I know people have done it. My SCS-MP2 had an okay fit to the MOS footprint; without securing the screws there was maybe the slightest detectable longitudinal movement, but there was definitely some transverse and rotational movement. There were also tiny gaps between the front and back of the optic and the slide. This led me to conclude that there was some likelihood that the screws and surface friction were the only things transferring forces between the optic and slide during recoil. I decided to bed the optic with JB Weld. After thoroughly degreasing the slide, I placed tiny dots of the epoxy on the front, rear and tops of the two circular bosses in the optic cut, and then a small line in the creases at the front and rear of the cut. I figured this would give me the maximum number of bearing surfaces between the optic and slide. I then applied a coating of Aquafor to the underside and front and rear of the optic to serve as a release agent, and installed the optic to 15 in-lbs. 24 hours later, I took the screws out and was able to pop the optic out with a pretty decent tug. A few specs of JB Weld transferred to the optic but they wiped off with alcohol. Based on the appearance of the epoxy after the optic came off, I'm kind of glad I did this. It seems that the SCS did not engage much of the optic cut that could support it under recoil. For what it's worth, I didn't do this as an accuracy measure, but a durability measure. Make sure to cover the entire bottom, front and back of the optic with a release agent, degrease the slide, use tiny dots of epoxy (enough to fit on the end of a toothpick), and don't get epoxy anywhere near the screw holes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG_6468_jpeg-2913822.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG_6469_jpeg-2913823.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/213943/IMG_6471_jpeg-2913824.JPG 
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: You have balls of steel - I'll give you that haha. I assume this is a permanent slide modification and you *may* be married to that specific optic too. It seems that your suspicions were well founded given the amount of epoxy needed to bed. I wouldn't consider it permanent, I can chip it off if needed. The evidence will probably be there forever but I'm not worried about that. It gives me good feels that it's well secured. |
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I have a Glock 19 and an Acro P2 at ATEI getting an optic cut and I’m trying to determine what back up sights I want. I chose rear sight in front of optic. I want the sights to be as low as possible so like lower 1/4 or less. I see a lot of people chose Ameriglo 429s but I’m thinking if they work with MOS guns and guns with plates they would be higher than necessary since I’m getting direct mill. Has anyone tried the 10-8 performance low profile standard height rear paired with a Wilson Vickers plain black front? I do like the fact the 10-8 has a set screw in the rear. |
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Originally Posted By NorthPolar: So out of curiosity, I turns out all the lights in my apartment and pointed my SCS toward the sun lit window, but still 6’ or so into the room. It performed better than I thought. Now I need to figure out a decent way to clean smudges off the lens. Also it’s a pain in the ass to get a sharp reticle image with an iPhone. https://i.imgur.com/JucllKi.jpg My local drugstore sells pre moistened lens wipes in a box of 100 for $4. I clean my lenses once a week and keep some in my cruiser bag in case it gets dirty. As to dot or not? We shot qualification yesterday. G45 with holosun 100%, g48 without 92%, g43x 90%. I tend to get one into the non preferred are weak handed with open sights. The dot fixed this and overall groups were much tighter at speed. I think my 43x is next to get cut. |
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Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: Got my P09 back yesterday https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/476077/20230821_165940_jpg-2928192.JPG  Sexxy. |
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| Ok so I have a Glock 19 with an RM06. I am having a hard time finding the dot instinctually. I know it is a flaw in my presentation most likely. Can yall give me some drill I can do to get better at it? I have had the gun sitting in my safe for a year or more now because I don't trust myself to run it in EDC mode. |
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Originally Posted By gotuonpaper: Ok so I have a Glock 19 with an RM06. I am having a hard time finding the dot instinctually. I know it is a flaw in my presentation most likely. Can yall give me some drill I can do to get better at it? I have had the gun sitting in my safe for a year or more now because I don't trust myself to run it in EDC mode. Practice your draw around the house, work in dry firing too. Just takes practice and time. |
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Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: Practice your draw around the house, work in dry firing too. Just takes practice and time. Once the presentation is good, do the same but add a target, either just a small aiming point or something to focus on shooting distance away so you can learn target focus and maintain good presentation. Draw and dry fire, over an over, that's the big first step to getting proper presentation and target focus down. |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: This, put on your gun/holster unloaded and just do draw and presentation drills at a blank wall in your house. With no target, you main goal is to just work on presentation and consistently have the dot coming right up into your view without correction or hunting for it. Once the presentation is good, do the same but add a target, either just a small aiming point or something to focus on shooting distance away so you can learn target focus and maintain good presentation. Draw and dry fire, over an over, that's the big first step to getting proper presentation and target focus down. Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: Practice your draw around the house, work in dry firing too. Just takes practice and time. Once the presentation is good, do the same but add a target, either just a small aiming point or something to focus on shooting distance away so you can learn target focus and maintain good presentation. Draw and dry fire, over an over, that's the big first step to getting proper presentation and target focus down. Kind of figured all of this. Did not know if there was a special stance or trick to getting the muscle memory down. Thanks guys. |
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Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: This was the hardest for me to adjust to. 30yrs of looking through iron sights is a tough habit to break. Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: Originally Posted By triburst1: Quite looking for the dot. 100% target focus. This was the hardest for me to adjust to. 30yrs of looking through iron sights is a tough habit to break. It shouldn’t be that difficult. Most people make this waaaaay harder than it needs to be. It’s much more natural and intuitive than trying to focus on some piece of steel on the end of your slide. In an actual defensive shooting, chances are you will be threat focused instinctively. |
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What helped me was actually keeping my torso/neck/head upright and bringing the gun up to my eyes. When I was shooting with irons I picked up the habit of dipping my head down as I was bringing up the gun, and doing a meet in the middle thing. Worked fine for irons, but dot isnt as forgiving with bad habits. When I first started shooting with a dot I was doing the same head dip, and was only picking up the dot some of the time. Put a post it note on the wall(can be anything really) . Get into your stance, keep torso/neck/head upright, only moving your arms draw and bring the gun up to your eyes. Make any adjustments, and remember how it feels after the adjustments. Repeat as needed. My test is 5 out of 5 perfect draws. If I mess up, I start over, and try again for a perfect 5. |
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Besides the good advice already mentioned above, the biggest improvement I had was instead of punching the gun out into a pure iso stance with straight elbows, as I press out when I'm about half way out I start to elevate to eyeline (target focus). I end up with my elbows slightly bent vs full iso. Frank Proctor: notice his head position is upright also. Attached File |
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| Just installed some gl-429’s on my 45. Why is thats rear sight so tight to install. Its the tightest I’ve had to install. I sat there with the file for an hour till I got fed up and put it against the flat piece on my grinding wheel and then hit it with the file again. All the while I kept trying it. In the end it still went in tight as hell. |
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Originally Posted By Ivan1: Just installed some gl-429’s on my 45. Why is thats rear sight so tight to install. Its the tightest I’ve had to install. I sat there with the file for an hour till I got fed up and put it against the flat piece on my grinding wheel and then hit it with the file again. All the while I kept trying it. In the end it still went in tight as hell. Are you using a sight pusher or punch? |
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Originally Posted By triburst1: Are you using a sight pusher or punch? I used the ncstar universal. It only has a 3 inch handle so it shouldn’t be much pressure but still. I kind of want to pull it off and stone it some more just so it doesn’t get stuck. |
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: The stand tall and bring your gun to your eyes method ignores one crucial thing. You won't do this under deadly stress. And, you shouldn't. You will instinctively lower your base for stability. That is how you should train. |
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Nope. What passes for training now days does not include people shooting back at you. Standing straight up, under no stress, firing at a paper target is not equivalent to a deadly threat. You will and should reduce your profile and strengthen your base under a deadly attack. You can't and should not stand straight up. If your training is not pressure tested, it is incomplete training and will not predict what you do under a real attack. |
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: Nope. What passes for training now days does not include people shooting back at you. Standing straight up, under no stress, firing at a paper target is not equivalent to a deadly threat. You will and should reduce your profile and strengthen your base under a deadly attack. You can't and should not stand straight up. If your training is not pressure tested, it is incomplete training and will not predict what you do under a real attack. He’s right you know |
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: Nope. What passes for training now days does not include people shooting back at you. Standing straight up, under no stress, firing at a paper target is not equivalent to a deadly threat. You will and should reduce your profile and strengthen your base under a deadly attack. You can't and should not stand straight up. If your training is not pressure tested, it is incomplete training and will not predict what you do under a real attack. My prior comment was in response to you stating you will do things instinctually. I think this is partially true but that's the whole point of training - that your level of training pushes back against your instinct to flinch/run/etc and instead perform muscle memory under stress. I don't think anyone should desire or train to stand up flat footed in any sort of altercation, guns or no guns. ETA: You are right that most people don't get the benefit of FoF training but that doesn't diminish the benefit of training on a flat range if that is what you got - especially if you are looking to modern trainers (many of whom have gunfighting/combat experience) or techniques they teach. |
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The problem is that square range is rarely tested. As a result, all sorts of errors creep into what is considered reasonable and valid training. Why? Because it is not pressure tested. I trained BJJ for over 20 years. You knew it worked because you did it under pressure against someone determined not to let you do it. The garbage gets eliminated quickly. I have played paintball every other weekend for 6 years. When people are shooting at you, you crouch and you move. If you don't, you die. This training was infinitely better than the approximately 10 shooting school courses I took. |
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: The problem is that square range is rarely tested. As a result, all sorts of errors creep into what is considered reasonable and valid training. Why? Because it is not pressure tested. I trained BJJ for over 20 years. You knew it worked because you did it under pressure against someone determined not to let you do it. The garbage gets eliminated quickly. I have played paintball every other weekend for 6 years. When people are shooting at you, you crouch and you move. If you don't, you die. This training was infinitely better than the approximately 10 shooting school courses I took. Anyways the original point stands - raise the gun to your eyes is superior to ducking/turtling your head. |
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: You're all over the map. Anyways the original point stands - raise the gun to your eyes is superior to ducking/turtling your head. One of you is talking about shooting techniques One of you is talking about gunfighting tactics So.. yeah. |
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Originally Posted By Castillo: One of you is talking about shooting techniques One of you is talking about paintball So.. yeah. He tried to make the point that training to learn a technique isn't beneficial. FOF is great but it doesn't diminish improving shooting skills on the flat range |
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: You're all over the map. Anyways the original point stands - raise the gun to your eyes is superior to ducking/turtling your head. I'm not all over the map. I am talking about the fact that standing straight up and down is not pressure tested. You won't do it because during the stress of a resisting opponent trying to kill you, your instincts will kick in and cause you to lower your base and make yourself a smaller target. This stand straight up fad will fail under pressure. |
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: I'm not all over the map. I am talking about the fact that standing straight up and down is not pressure tested. You won't do it because during the stress of a resisting opponent trying to kill you, your instincts will kick in and cause you to lower your base and make yourself a smaller target. This stand straight up fad will fail under pressure. |
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: Literally no one is saying you should do this haha Have you pressure tested this? I have in paintball. You lower your base and move. That is how you survive. No one stands straight up and down. No one. I see from your signature that you are a Christian. Remember David before he fought Goliath? Saul tried to give him his armor. David wouldn't use it because he had not proven it. You better prove what you think you know before you adopt it as a fact. |
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: Have you pressure tested this? I have in paintball. You lower your base and move. That is how you survive. No one stands straight up and down. No one. I see from your signature that you are a Christian. Remember David before he fought Goliath? Saul tried to give him his armor. David wouldn't use it because he had not proven it. You better prove what you think you know before you adopt it as a fact. 
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