Pistols with RMR / mini red dots are awesome. The future is now (Page 64 of 74)
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: Have you pressure tested this? I have in paintball. You lower your base and move. That is how you survive. No one stands straight up and down. No one. I see from your signature that you are a Christian. Remember David before he fought Goliath? Saul tried to give him his armor. David wouldn't use it because he had not proven it. You better prove what you think you know before you adopt it as a fact. Give David some plates, a pistol with a red dot and watch Goliath fall. |
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Originally Posted By HAGDADDY: I thought this thread was about pistols with red dots.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/231293/20230801_154851_jpg-2951357.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/231293/20230816_125533_jpg-2951358.JPG I'm half tempted to buy and mount an optic just to get this thread back on track 
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: Have you pressure tested this? I have in paintball. You lower your base and move. That is how you survive. No one stands straight up and down. No one. Attached File |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: The problem is that square range is rarely tested. As a result, all sorts of errors creep into what is considered reasonable and valid training. Why? Because it is not pressure tested. I trained BJJ for over 20 years. You knew it worked because you did it under pressure against someone determined not to let you do it. The garbage gets eliminated quickly. I have played paintball every other weekend for 6 years. When people are shooting at you, you crouch and you move. If you don't, you die. This training was infinitely better than the approximately 10 shooting school courses I took. You sound familiar  Didn't you used to hang out in the optics threads last year, and argue with everyone there, until having a total Karen meltdown getting you banned? |
Liberal men are pissing their panties like little girls over guns all the time, like wusses, it's really pathetic that grown men can't act like....well, men.
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Originally Posted By gman556: You sound familiar Didn't you used to hang out in the optics threads last year, and argue with everyone there, until having a total Karen meltdown getting you banned? Originally Posted By gman556: Originally Posted By HawkinsID: The problem is that square range is rarely tested. As a result, all sorts of errors creep into what is considered reasonable and valid training. Why? Because it is not pressure tested. I trained BJJ for over 20 years. You knew it worked because you did it under pressure against someone determined not to let you do it. The garbage gets eliminated quickly. I have played paintball every other weekend for 6 years. When people are shooting at you, you crouch and you move. If you don't, you die. This training was infinitely better than the approximately 10 shooting school courses I took. You sound familiar Didn't you used to hang out in the optics threads last year, and argue with everyone there, until having a total Karen meltdown getting you banned? I'd say you're onto something there. |
Can't never could 'til try came along.
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: A meme is born. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/IMG_8193_jpeg-2951982.JPG I like it. |
Can't never could 'til try came along.
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: The problem is that square range is rarely tested. As a result, all sorts of errors creep into what is considered reasonable and valid training. Why? Because it is not pressure tested. I trained BJJ for over 20 years. You knew it worked because you did it under pressure against someone determined not to let you do it. The garbage gets eliminated quickly. I have played paintball every other weekend for 6 years. When people are shooting at you, you crouch and you move. If you don't, you die. This training was infinitely better than the approximately 10 shooting school courses I took. |
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Originally Posted By Virginia_Shooter: You don’t even know what it’s like to see paint coming your way at nearly 250 FPS. Originally Posted By Virginia_Shooter: Originally Posted By EamonnWright: That is some seriously hardcore paintball, I must say. You don’t even know what it’s like to see paint coming your way at nearly 250 FPS. I have still some serious PTSD from all those paintball matches in the 90s. Lost allot of good friends back then when I stopped playing  Still haunts me to this day
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Liberal men are pissing their panties like little girls over guns all the time, like wusses, it's really pathetic that grown men can't act like....well, men.
m14brian
m14brian
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Originally Posted By gman556: I have still some serious PTSD from all those paintball matches in the 90s. Lost allot of good friends back then when I stopped playing Still haunts me to this day If only you would have quasimodo'd behind that brass eagle and squat run, you'd still be paint free
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Originally Posted By Marksman14: If only you would have quasimodo'd behind that brass eagle and squat run, you'd still be paint free Originally Posted By Marksman14: Originally Posted By gman556: I have still some serious PTSD from all those paintball matches in the 90s. Lost allot of good friends back then when I stopped playing Still haunts me to this day If only you would have quasimodo'd behind that brass eagle and squat run, you'd still be paint free They were all around me, and there was nothing I could do about it. Sat there squatted in the grass for hours and hours, ended up having to be medevac'd out to the concession stand If it wasn't for my trusty Brass eagle Long Barrel Nightmare, Ninja model I would have never made it out of there alive!! |
Liberal men are pissing their panties like little girls over guns all the time, like wusses, it's really pathetic that grown men can't act like....well, men.
m14brian
m14brian
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Originally Posted By gman556: They were all around me, and there was nothing I could do about it. Sat there squatted in the grass for hours and hours, ended up having to be medevac'd out to the concession stand If it wasn't for my trusty Brass eagle Long Barrel Nightmare, Ninja model I would have never made it out of there alive!! Should have had the Tactical banana barrel and he could have shot over cover. |
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Observation I have and question for proficient dot shooters - does the window size really matter to you? I've shot all types of dots over the years and have RMRs on my G19s. What I've found is while the bigger windows in the DPP/SRO/etc are nice to look through, I can't say it's faster. I've found the standard sized windows (RMR, Holosun, Burris fast fire, etc) to be sufficiently sized and that for the dot to be outside of the RMR window, you have to have an unacceptably bad sight picture (check your irons sight picture your pistol when the red dot is moved outside the window). While a bigger red dot window gives you more real estate, your area "on target" is the same and all you gain is being able to see the dot at more extreme "off target" angles. Presentation being the same, is the extra space really needed? For these reasons I found the holosun with the Vulcan ACSS reticle non-beneficial, with the exception being shooters having issues finding the dot. For a visual check out the irons alignment relative to the dot proximity to the target or RMR window. Attached File |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: Observation I have and question for proficient dot shooters - does the window size really matter to you? I've shot all types of dots over the years and have RMRs on my G19s. What I've found is while the bigger windows in the DPP/SRO/etc are nice to look through, I can't say it's faster. I've found the standard sized windows (RMR, Holosun, Burris fast fire, etc) to be sufficiently sized and that for the dot to be outside of the RMR window, you have to have an unacceptably bad sight picture (check your irons sight picture your pistol when the red dot is moved outside the window). While a bigger red dot window gives you more real estate, your area "on target" is the same and all you gain is being able to see the dot at more extreme "off target" angles. Presentation being the same, is the extra space really needed? For these reasons I found the holosun with the Vulcan ACSS reticle non-beneficial, with the exception being shooters having issues finding the dot. For a visual check out the irons alignment relative to the dot proximity to the target or RMR window. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/113559/rmr_jpg-2953153.JPG Leupold has entered the chat… Attached File |
“It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men”
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- Samuel Adams
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Originally Posted By triburst1: Leupold has entered the chat https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/34777/IMG_9979_jpeg-2953236.JPG |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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I havent shot my larger window yet. But, my thinking was that the larger window would allow for easier corrections if my presentation was off. Ex. you can be more off and still see where the dot is in the window, and can correct faster without the fishing wrist. Also, I feel like it would allow the dot to be tracked a little easier during recoil. may have to try the echelon perfection  
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Originally Posted By Duffy: Gen 5 G26 MOS  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/781/IMG_2382_jpeg-2953436.JPG I’m going to need one. |
“It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men”
- Samuel Adams
- Samuel Adams
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Originally Posted By Duffy: Gen 5 G26 MOS https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/781/IMG_2382_jpeg-2953436.JPG Ill admit that even without a light rail it is still pretty hot |
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: The stand tall and bring your gun to your eyes method ignores one crucial thing. You won’t do this under deadly stress. And, you shouldn’t. You will instinctively lower your base for stability. That is how you should train. That's how insurgents fight and get shot. Accurate fire is how you win. |
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: Nope. What passes for training now days does not include people shooting back at you. Standing straight up, under no stress, firing at a paper target is not equivalent to a deadly threat. You will and should reduce your profile and strengthen your base under a deadly attack. You can't and should not stand straight up. If your training is not pressure tested, it is incomplete training and will not predict what you do under a real attack. A lot of us were pressure tested by getting shot at (or shot, if I was any lower the 3 rounds from the AK would have missed my plate and splattered my grape) |
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
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Originally Posted By 03RN: A lot of us were pressure tested by getting shot at (or shot, if I was any lower the 3 rounds from the AK would have missed my plate and splattered my grape) Attached File |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: A lot of us were pressure tested by getting shot at (or shot, if I was any lower the 3 rounds from the AK would have missed my plate and splattered my grape) Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By HawkinsID: Nope. What passes for training now days does not include people shooting back at you. Standing straight up, under no stress, firing at a paper target is not equivalent to a deadly threat. You will and should reduce your profile and strengthen your base under a deadly attack. You can't and should not stand straight up. If your training is not pressure tested, it is incomplete training and will not predict what you do under a real attack. A lot of us were pressure tested by getting shot at (or shot, if I was any lower the 3 rounds from the AK would have missed my plate and splattered my grape) How dare you question a tier 1 paintballer with your real world experience !!!!!!!!!!!! |
Liberal men are pissing their panties like little girls over guns all the time, like wusses, it's really pathetic that grown men can't act like....well, men.
m14brian
m14brian
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Thought I’d try something different… Attached File Not really a fan of the TLR7 switch, but it’s useable. |
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Originally Posted By Henny: Thought I'd try something different https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/10846/IMG_0197_jpeg-2955570.JPG Not really a fan of the TLR7 switch, but it's useable. How much muzzle flip does that have compared to the G 19? |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: Have you pressure tested this? I have in paintball. You lower your base and move. That is how you survive. No one stands straight up and down. No one. |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By Henny: Thought I'd try something different https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/10846/IMG_0197_jpeg-2955570.JPG Not really a fan of the TLR7 switch, but it's useable. |
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: I like those switches on the Glock because the trigger guard is much shorter and my support thumb and Triggerfinger are easy to activate where as the rocker switches are super cramped, but I think for a gun with a longer trigger guard like that one the rocker switches would be better. How much muzzle flip does that have compared to the G 19? I agree about the rocker switches. I’m used to the Surefire… Recoil wise, I can’t feel a perceivable difference between the G 19 and the PDP. However, the PDP feels very good in my hand. That saying something for somebody that has carried a Glock since the early 90s. |
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Originally Posted By November5: The Alpha and Sub have much better switches. Originally Posted By November5: Originally Posted By Henny: Thought I'd try something different https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/10846/IMG_0197_jpeg-2955570.JPG Not really a fan of the TLR7 switch, but it's useable. I agree! |
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Worked with 2 new / low skill shooters yesterday. One of them in particular was only making C/D zone hits at 7 yards (with almost none in A zone and no confidence - "I suck at shooting"). After we worked on proper grip/trigger pull and used snap caps mixed with live ammo to illustrate his undiagnosed recoil anticipation, he was able to keep all his hits in a 3 inch circle @ 7Y with his Gen2 G19. I then let him shoot my G5 G19 with RMR and Glock Performance Trigger - and he was pinging reduced C zone steel at 25Y (big smiles). We were not really working on speed but both his cadence and accuracy were better with the dot. He did jerk a few shots but remarked that he was aware of it because he saw the dot jerk (he was not aware of his flinch with irons). He left really excited about his improvement and knowing what he needs to work on. I think I only shot 50 rounds over a several hour period but I really enjoy helping people short cut the years and years I wasted sucking at shooting and trying different guns and making excuses for why I sucked. |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By 03RN: A lot of us were pressure tested by getting shot at (or shot, if I was any lower the 3 rounds from the AK would have missed my plate and splattered my grape) you took a 3 round ak burst to the plate?! |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Got an optics cut slide on the way for my M11a1 hoping it’ll still fit in my current IWB holster. Was going to have it killed but I found a deal on an Sig pro cut slide ended up being cheaper then sending it off to mill. Sweet |
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: @03RN you took a 3 round ak burst to the plate?! Originally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By 03RN: A lot of us were pressure tested by getting shot at (or shot, if I was any lower the 3 rounds from the AK would have missed my plate and splattered my grape) you took a 3 round ak burst to the plate?! Yup |
"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: Worked with 2 new / low skill shooters yesterday. One of them in particular was only making C/D zone hits at 7 yards (with almost none in A zone and no confidence - "I suck at shooting"). After we worked on proper grip/trigger pull and used snap caps mixed with live ammo to illustrate his undiagnosed recoil anticipation, he was able to keep all his hits in a 3 inch circle @ 7Y with his Gen2 G19. I then let him shoot my G5 G19 with RMR and Glock Performance Trigger - and he was pinging reduced C zone steel at 25Y (big smiles). We were not really working on speed but both his cadence and accuracy were better with the dot. He did jerk a few shots but remarked that he was aware of it because he saw the dot jerk (he was not aware of his flinch with irons). He left really excited about his improvement and knowing what he needs to work on. I think I only shot 50 rounds over a several hour period but I really enjoy helping people short cut the years and years I wasted sucking at shooting and trying different guns and making excuses for why I sucked. that’s awesome |
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: Worked with 2 new / low skill shooters yesterday. One of them in particular was only making C/D zone hits at 7 yards (with almost none in A zone and no confidence - "I suck at shooting"). After we worked on proper grip/trigger pull and used snap caps mixed with live ammo to illustrate his undiagnosed recoil anticipation, he was able to keep all his hits in a 3 inch circle @ 7Y with his Gen2 G19. I then let him shoot my G5 G19 with RMR and Glock Performance Trigger - and he was pinging reduced C zone steel at 25Y (big smiles). We were not really working on speed but both his cadence and accuracy were better with the dot. He did jerk a few shots but remarked that he was aware of it because he saw the dot jerk (he was not aware of his flinch with irons). He left really excited about his improvement and knowing what he needs to work on. I think I only shot 50 rounds over a several hour period but I really enjoy helping people short cut the years and years I wasted sucking at shooting and trying different guns and making excuses for why I sucked. Doing good work there helping out others get better! |
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Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Doing good work there helping out others get better! Originally Posted By Gunnie357: Originally Posted By Fooboy: Worked with 2 new / low skill shooters yesterday. One of them in particular was only making C/D zone hits at 7 yards (with almost none in A zone and no confidence - "I suck at shooting"). After we worked on proper grip/trigger pull and used snap caps mixed with live ammo to illustrate his undiagnosed recoil anticipation, he was able to keep all his hits in a 3 inch circle @ 7Y with his Gen2 G19. I then let him shoot my G5 G19 with RMR and Glock Performance Trigger - and he was pinging reduced C zone steel at 25Y (big smiles). We were not really working on speed but both his cadence and accuracy were better with the dot. He did jerk a few shots but remarked that he was aware of it because he saw the dot jerk (he was not aware of his flinch with irons). He left really excited about his improvement and knowing what he needs to work on. I think I only shot 50 rounds over a several hour period but I really enjoy helping people short cut the years and years I wasted sucking at shooting and trying different guns and making excuses for why I sucked. Doing good work there helping out others get better! +1! |
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Slide just came back from Battleworx. Tell me about the sealing plate. Should I use it? Attached File |
If my wife had another baby and I was in the delivery room, I'd probably look at it and yell "welcome back bitch" and then have the hospital page Norcal. -scuba_steve
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Originally Posted By 2apatriot: Slide just came back from Battleworx. Tell me about the sealing plate. Should I use it? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/361805/IMG_3434_jpeg-2959351.JPG |
Isaiah 1:18 - "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD: "though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow"
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Originally Posted By 2apatriot: Slide just came back from Battleworx. Tell me about the sealing plate. Should I use it? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/361805/IMG_3434_jpeg-2959351.JPG Yes. You just use it for both sealing and battery contact If you have a MOS with FCD plate you don’t need one. |
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Originally Posted By 2apatriot: Slide just came back from Battleworx. Tell me about the sealing plate. Should I use it? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/361805/IMG_3434_jpeg-2959351.JPG Your optic overhangs the sealing surface, yes. When should the RMR sealing plate be used? |
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: What's the best / lowest way to get a Holosun EPS onto Glock MOS? Asking for a friend (serious) Lowest, would be direct mount. Are all the mos the same? I know on the 43x you can shave the rear posts completely and shave a smidge from the front ones and it will direct mount. |
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Originally Posted By HawkinsID: Have you pressure tested this? I have in paintball. You lower your base and move. That is how you survive. No one stands straight up and down. No one. I see from your signature that you are a Christian. Remember David before he fought Goliath? Saul tried to give him his armor. David wouldn't use it because he had not proven it. You better prove what you think you know before you adopt it as a fact. Paintball...... 
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