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Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:24:26 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:25:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ETNSBK:


It will end. And I fear it will end very poorly for us because as a group we refuse to do anything. The next holocaust will be in the US and it will be whites/men/Christians/Republicans/conservatives/Libertarians etc that end up getting wiped out. All because we were unwilling to stop it. Europe will be second.
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Originally Posted By ETNSBK:
Originally Posted By glklvr:


it will not end, it would only grow with the attitude you have. It's not a zero or 100 option. No one is saying give them room to burn, they're saying you can't just shoot people because you feel it's okay. You'll find yourself in a small minority severely outnumbered by a majority, who BTW will be armed too.


It will end. And I fear it will end very poorly for us because as a group we refuse to do anything. The next holocaust will be in the US and it will be whites/men/Christians/Republicans/conservatives/Libertarians etc that end up getting wiped out. All because we were unwilling to stop it. Europe will be second.


Like every other country that has gone full communist any that stand in their way parish. However this will be different because the ones pulling the strings are part of the Degrowth movement once they take out the ones in their way they will take aim at the least productive which will be the FSA a whole lot of people are going to be in for a rude awakening when their skin pigmentation is no longer a shield.
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:25:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GreasyEasy:

Agreed, and thank God for smart munitions.

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Originally Posted By GreasyEasy:
Originally Posted By Treebush:

The people looting were criminals and should be arrested and sentenced in court. The people protesting non violently at the precinct and the guy's house are not animals.

Agreed, and thank God for smart munitions.




Are those the ones that ‘accidentally’ hit hospitals and schools?
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:25:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shia:
The public had a chance to step in and intervene before he died but they watched and filmed him die so they could get free stuff.
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At that point, any public intervention would have been a death sentence (or just prison if they were lucky) for the "interfering with LEO".

Just a few days later, that might fly. But then, it would have been ugly.

Maybe the scuffle would have brought the knee guy off the neck to take you down. Maybe the guarding cop would have just put a bullet in your head.

But no way would that not end badly for the person attempting to disrespect the authority of the men in blue.
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:25:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mrcatbert:

Wrong and a war criminal. Bless your heart.
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And that change would have been what?


Shit bags would be pushing up daisies and not rioting anymore. 2 + 2 = 4


Cops go to shooting people and you will see things get worse, not better.


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Wrong and a war criminal. Bless your heart.


LeMay was a very Brave Leader who was at the FRONT of the battle.

LeMay flew with Schienfurt - Regansburg raid.

LeMay never asked his men to do anything he would not do.

He took the assets he had, and created deadly machines of war knowing the truism that the harder you hit the enemy, the sooner the fighting stops and more lives are ultimately saved.

A War Criminal??  How?  Japan Terror Bombed Shanghai, Chungking, Hong Kong, Singapore and every other opportunity they had to attack civilians.  They lite the fire, and then you want to boo-hoo that the Japanese (the same peace loving peoples who gave us the Rape of Naking, The Bataan Death March, The Rail Way of Death, Kidnapped Sexual Slavery of the "comfort women" and other true War Crimes that they finally reaped the whirlwind...  

Did you know the US is STILL issuing Purple Hearts made in 1945 for the Proposed Invasion of Japa.  A Battle to end the War that was projected for ONE MILLION U.S. Casualties (and the virtual eradication of the Japanese Society & Population)...

Any you consider LeMay a "war criminal"???  

20'er  glad to see DU is here and "contributing" to the discussions ...
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:26:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
Originally Posted By C4H10FO2P:

No, the launch was cancelled because the weather wasn't good enough during the brief intercept window they had with the ISS.

The riot didn't cause the damn weather or define the physics of reaching a specific orbit at a specific time.

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Here we are, in a serious thread, and I get the best laugh of the day.
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:27:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M4arc:
Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
This is why we need a more militarized police force. We could call them schutzstaffel, and they would stop this kind of stuff. Sometimes before it gets started.


Are you serious? Our police departments are militarized already that's why these officers think they can get away with this crap. Jeez...


Lol


@M4arc
REPORT TO THE SARCASM RECALIBRATION LAB IMMEDIATELY. After such calibrations are completed and documented, report immediately to remedial 7th grade history class (hist087) and remain seated until you've negated your above quoted post. At such time, you'll be a better poster and rigorously grounded in a basic understanding of English composition and sentence structure.
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:28:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless:


You really ought to get your eyes checked.  I'm not sure how you missed the pictures of "Dangerous Militia people with Dangerous Guns" that the Media went into meltdown over.  Guess you were not there or saw ANY of the photos from the event.

The folks inside who went into 'the eye of the storm' inside the Governor Northam "Freedom Fence" or the "Great Wall of Protection against Enemies of the Party", knew that we had PLENTY of "Back Up" just outside the wrought iron & cyclone fence in case things got "sporty"...  

If you didn't go, you certainly don't get it (then or now!)
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You’re full of shit, honestly. Who on earth thinks looting and Burning pillaging is vigilantism? Way to falsely equivocate.


Don't forget, the media and leftists were tripping all over themselves to call the Richmond pro gun rally people "domestic terrorists".

What's this then?  An insurrection?



I clearly recall seeing Richmond engulfed in Flames and the jagged remnants of the shattered Capital dome in the rearview mirror after leaving the Richmond Rally of Evil White Supremacists & Militia Members...

Which group was violent and which was peaceful citizens protesting for their rights?

BIGGER_HAMMER



Fucking nailed it !!!!!!!!!!!


Which group let themselves be  herded into a corral with no firearms?


You really ought to get your eyes checked.  I'm not sure how you missed the pictures of "Dangerous Militia people with Dangerous Guns" that the Media went into meltdown over.  Guess you were not there or saw ANY of the photos from the event.

The folks inside who went into 'the eye of the storm' inside the Governor Northam "Freedom Fence" or the "Great Wall of Protection against Enemies of the Party", knew that we had PLENTY of "Back Up" just outside the wrought iron & cyclone fence in case things got "sporty"...  

If you didn't go, you certainly don't get it (then or now!)



Oh I saw plenty of photos and applaud the people who showed up. Fact of the matter is, laws were passed and will be passed. There will be no more than ‘peaceful’ protest from our side no matter how many rights ‘they’ infringe. We will just continue to vote them in
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Let's not forget that he was a thief.  He put himself into this mess.  That doesn't excuse the excessive force, but I have ZFG if bad shit happens to you when you commit crimes.
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Originally Posted By FistPeso:


Let's not forget that he was a thief.  He put himself into this mess.  That doesn't excuse the excessive force, but I have ZFG if bad shit happens to you when you commit crimes.
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Originally Posted By FistPeso:


Let's not forget that he was a thief.  He put himself into this mess.  That doesn't excuse the excessive force, but I have ZFG if bad shit happens to you when you commit crimes.



Same goes for the criminal scum who break gun laws  
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:30:08 PM EDT
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Because those stairs were built on feelz.
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Originally Posted By FistPeso:


Let's not forget that he was a thief.  He put himself into this mess.  That doesn't excuse the excessive force, but I have ZFG if bad shit happens to you when you commit crimes.
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Originally Posted By FistPeso:


Let's not forget that he was a thief.  He put himself into this mess.  That doesn't excuse the excessive force, but I have ZFG if bad shit happens to you when you commit crimes.


You get murdered apparently
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:31:08 PM EDT
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I don't understand. The videos I am watching aren't protesting. It's people looting, and throwing rocks at police vehicles. Why aren't the police protecting themselves? Why aren't the stores locking doors so no one can loot? Am I still on planet Earth??
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:31:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Treebush:

The people looting were criminals and should be arrested and sentenced in court. The people protesting non violently at the precinct and the guy's house are not animals.
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You conveniently left out the assaults and arson.
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:31:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Honda4828:



Same goes for the criminal scum who break gun laws  
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Fair point, but in this case he was scum.
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I claim the Middle chick
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:32:17 PM EDT
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Star Trib Link

Here they come....can they make a buck off of this?

Jesse Jackson for President!!!!



George Floyd's family joins call for calm; Jackson, Sharpton heading to Minneapolis

Good on the girlfriend for trying. Jackson and Sharpton will just add fuel to the fires.

"Waking up this morning to see Minneapolis on fire would be something that would devastate Floyd," said Ross, his girlfriend for the past three years. "He loved the city. He came here [from Houston] and stayed here for the people and the opportunities. ... Floyd was a gentle giant. He was about love and about peace."


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You get murdered apparently
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What about the looter that got killed at the pawn shop.  They had ZFG about their victims and I feel the same way about them.
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:33:11 PM EDT
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That guy is hung the fuck over this morning. I hope he remembers to call in to work and let them know he isn't coming in.
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IDK if you noticed but it looks like he has a bottle inside his pants, HILARIOUS



Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:33:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FistPeso:


Fair point, but in this case he was scum.
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Same goes for the criminal scum who break gun laws  


Fair point, but in this case he was scum.


You can’t have it both ways. Pretty soon it will be our turn
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:33:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol:
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Where my fucktard socialist brother works, or worked.

They had to evac at 1900 last night due to tear gas coming through the windows.

I was sent this by my Dad.


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What is/was that place?
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Get in the zone. Autozone.



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Originally Posted By glklvr:


I always request an exchange of the pepper for another garlic sauce. So, you're welcome.
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Originally Posted By L_JE:
Those peppers are glorious.  And nobody ever eats them.  Those things are always easy pickins after a team meeting.  And you can always manage to scrounge and find an unopened tub of garlic sauce.


I always request an exchange of the pepper for another garlic sauce. So, you're welcome.

Oh, I like that garlic sauce, too.  And, don't think I won't use force to get it.

I suppose, though, I could check to see if those things are available for individual sale at market prices … but, then again, I'm already committed to a course of action.  My suggestion to you, is that there better be a couple of tubs of this stuff when I get to your place, otherwise this gunfight is going to be over nothing.
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:36:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Honda4828:


You can’t have it both ways. Pretty soon it will be our turn
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Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:36:46 PM EDT
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Tweets now trying to say the cop went to a Trump rally.

LOL
That didn't take long.
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:37:35 PM EDT
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oriellys got hit to, it was later on. I remember in the unicornlive video, but the guys phone was dying. You could hear audio, and it was pretty comical.
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Originally Posted By 13starsinax:
Originally Posted By Honda4828:


You can’t have it both ways. Pretty soon it will be our turn

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LOL.

More like lines formed around the police stations of people turning their shit in when the king orders them to do so.

Where is the picture of this happening.. I know I saw it before.
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:38:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

I claim the Middle chick
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea:

I claim the Middle chick


Bruh, she’s a child of the harvest and times of plenty.

You might claim her but she ain’t going home with a bologna eating liveaboard.

You need more livestock to attract the harvest queens.
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:40:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By silver_back110:


That honors the shit out of Floyd.
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At least the guy with what looked like a claw hammer didn't "put work in"
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:40:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AhoogahLoop:


So, you want the police to just start machine gunning the crowd?  I'm sure that'll really work to defuse long term tensions between LE and the community.

How very Stalinesque of you.
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And your approach is what? Virtue Signaling?

See, that is problem with your type of marxist group think.

You cannot see what the big picture and problem is and think yelling BLM slogans will solve the problem.


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Originally Posted By Treebush:

The people looting were criminals and should be arrested and sentenced in court. The people protesting non violently at the precinct and the guy's house are not animals.
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Watched the livestreams for hours last night.

Once the windows were broke and the fires lit, how many "non-violent" protestors did you see?
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:42:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Honda4828:


Man I don’t have time for that

What I took away from it was that the Republicans are just as much involved with the virus bull shit as the D’s are.. maybe even more so. It was really really deep IMHO.


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If you ever wonder why, you should watch the video posted in This thread.

46 minutes?
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57330/NoTimeFoDat-112605.jpg


It's no wonder that thread died.



Now to be fair, the other reason why it died is that it didn’t fit the echo chamber narrative.



Some quick cliff notes?


Man I don’t have time for that

What I took away from it was that the Republicans are just as much involved with the virus bull shit as the D’s are.. maybe even more so. It was really really deep IMHO.




LOL I'll try to listen to it in the background later today.
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double tapp
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Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:


LOL I'll try to listen to it in the background later today.
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Originally Posted By Honda4828:
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Originally Posted By Honda4828:
If you ever wonder why, you should watch the video posted in This thread.

46 minutes?
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57330/NoTimeFoDat-112605.jpg


It's no wonder that thread died.



Now to be fair, the other reason why it died is that it didn’t fit the echo chamber narrative.



Some quick cliff notes?


Man I don’t have time for that

What I took away from it was that the Republicans are just as much involved with the virus bull shit as the D’s are.. maybe even more so. It was really really deep IMHO.




LOL I'll try to listen to it in the background later today.


That’s what I did
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Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol:
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Where my fucktard socialist brother works, or worked.

They had to evac at 1900 last night due to tear gas coming through the windows.

I was sent this by my Dad.


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Damn, that is what you call fully involved
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Damn, went to bed around midnight and many of the buildings were still standing just looted.

Guess they really went torch happy.
Link Posted: 5/28/2020 12:44:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Honda4828:


You can’t have it both ways. Pretty soon it will be our turn
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Free people are only free if they are self governed with moral restraint.  The contrary state is an oppressive state.  We either need to manage our population accordingly, or default to the oppressive state.  If we are not stomping bad actors, we will all be stomped.
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Originally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless:


LeMay was a very Brave Leader who was at the FRONT of the battle.

LeMay flew with Schienfurt - Regansburg raid.

LeMay never asked his men to do anything he would not do.

He took the assets he had, and created deadly machines of war knowing the truism that the harder you hit the enemy, the sooner the fighting stops and more lives are ultimately saved.

A War Criminal??  How?  Japan Terror Bombed Shanghai, Chungking, Hong Kong, Singapore and every other opportunity they had to attack civilians.  They lite the fire, and then you want to boo-hoo that the Japanese (the same peace loving peoples who gave us the Rape of Naking, The Bataan Death March, The Rail Way of Death, Kidnapped Sexual Slavery of the "comfort women" and other true War Crimes that they finally reaped the whirlwind...  

Did you know the US is STILL issuing Purple Hearts made in 1945 for the Proposed Invasion of Japa.  A Battle to end the War that was projected for ONE MILLION U.S. Casualties (and the virtual eradication of the Japanese Society & Population)...

Any you consider LeMay a "war criminal"???  

D.U. is THAT-A-Way 20'er ...
Seems like someone ought to go the Fnck back to Russia ya '20'er...
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LeMay called himself a war criminal so...yeah.  War is hell.
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Originally Posted By Jon101:



This is absolutely racist, a man has literally been murdered by uniformed agents of government.
If he was your son/father/brother wouldn't you want restitution of social me kind?.
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Originally Posted By M4-AK:
Let me get this straight... In some cultural groups if a group member dies, you have a need to steal a new pair of Nike’s and some beer while going on a torch the businesses party.

Anyone have an explanation?



It was already covered in the documentary "Blackhawk Down"...

"If one Skinny kills another skinny, he has to pay 150 Camels to the family of the skinny he killed...

Minneapolis Police Department must not have have enough dromedaries in their settlement reserve to resolve the matter in the usual customary method.



This is absolutely racist, a man has literally been murdered by uniformed agents of government.
If he was your son/father/brother wouldn't you want restitution of social me kind?.


Well, than you for your input John Bull.  Yes, we kicked your ass and won our liberty, and then saved your nuts from the Germans not once, but TWICE ...  There IS a reason we decided we didn't want to live under a Crown & it's courts...

In the US of A, I would want "Justice" if I lost a family member.  Here in the USA, that is a fair & impartial trial in which evidence is presented, witnesses testify, the cases are made and the fate of the defendant(s) is decided by a jury of their peers in the community.    

Your comment of "Restitution of a Social Me Kind" ??   WHAT the HELL is that supposed to mean?

If my love one was killed by a rogue cop, Why do you think I'd want a lawless crowd to loot & burn businesses that had nothing to do with the crime?   What lesson does that teach be criminal(s)?  

My GOD how Britain has fallen.  Once "Great Britain" upon whose flag the sun never set, now nothing but just Pathetic...

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Holy shit, I know we have members who voted for this mayor. He is woke as shit!
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I moved my family out of more densely populated areas with this example as one of the reasons. I’ll move them again if it follows. As many times as necessary until there’s no where else to go.
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Thursday, Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will visit Minnesota.


The civil rights leaders announced their visits in the midst of response to the death of George Floyd.



Great.


They must have all their paying gigs scheduled.
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Originally Posted By L_JE:

Oh, I like that garlic sauce, too.  And, don't think I won't use force to get it.

I suppose, though, I could check to see if those things are available for individual sale at market prices … but, then again, I'm already committed to a course of action.  My suggestion to you, is that there better be a couple of tubs of this stuff when I get to your place, otherwise this gunfight is going to be over nothing.
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Those peppers are glorious.  And nobody ever eats them.  Those things are always easy pickins after a team meeting.  And you can always manage to scrounge and find an unopened tub of garlic sauce.


I always request an exchange of the pepper for another garlic sauce. So, you're welcome.

Oh, I like that garlic sauce, too.  And, don't think I won't use force to get it.

I suppose, though, I could check to see if those things are available for individual sale at market prices … but, then again, I'm already committed to a course of action.  My suggestion to you, is that there better be a couple of tubs of this stuff when I get to your place, otherwise this gunfight is going to be over nothing.


Standing by...

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Originally Posted By Paul:


Nothing makes you appreciate America more than some world travel.
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Originally Posted By Paul:
Originally Posted By Vic_Crown:

Why not leave the US and try another country to your liking.

You will soon be back !!!!!


Nothing makes you appreciate America more than some world travel.



As a frequent international traveler; this is so very true!
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Who is that speaking?
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