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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:27:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlueSetter: Not great. EU has been told for years to get off Russian oil and start building up militarily. It’s their moral failure that made this happen. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be providing weapons to Ukraine, in fact I think we should send more impactful weapons. But not at our own expense. Germany and France directly funding and arming Russia for years is a huge problem and they should feel the pain, not Americans who’ve already been harmed for 2 years by covid. F Putin, F Macron, F Olaf. This is entirely their fault. I think it's legit to like both posts  Europe's stupidity did help create this. As much as they want to sneer at us, Trump told them what would happen and they didn't listen, and now some of them are mad at the US for having the temerity to be right. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:27:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: I am absolutely fucking disgusted with the, "it's not my problem" crowd. Legally, no it is not. Morally, well let's just say that people's response to this atrocity is a measure of their soul or lack thereof. If you want sacrifice a little comfort over somebody else's survival... well,  yeah...So go. Go fight them. Too old? Do you have any kids? Send them. Start a gofundme and I'll pitch in. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:28:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: How the winds of change have blown. China Praises Ukraine Resistance, Pledges Economic Support Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: How the winds of change have blown. China has praised the strength of the Ukrainian people and promised to respect the choices of its sovereign government in a subtle move to balance its pro-Russia complexion. At a meeting with regional authorities in Lviv on Monday, Chinese Ambassador Fan Xianrong pledged to help Ukraine rebuild after the war. His message was a slight departure from the official line in Beijing, which still maintains general support for Moscow. "China is a friendly country for the Ukrainian people. As an ambassador, I can responsibly say that China will forever be a good force for Ukraine, both economically and politically," said Fan, who relocated with his diplomatic staff from Kyiv toward the country's western border with Poland. "We will always respect your state, we will develop relations on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. We will respect the path chosen by Ukrainians because this is the sovereign right of every nation," Fan told Maksym Kozytskyi, a Lviv military official, according to Ukraine's state news service Ukrinform. Uh...That's kind of a big deal, isn't it? If China flips on Russia and Russia loses their biggest ally in this clusterfuck...I'm too tired to formulate the rest of that thought, but hopefully people get my point. That's a considerable development |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:28:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:28:43 PM EDT
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Bloomberg tv reporting a neutrality deal has been reached.
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:29:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: Putin is coming unhinged: Putin- “Natural and necessary self-purification of the society will only strengthen our country” Mein Fuhrer! |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:29:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: China is playing a chess game. Rebuild Ukraine after this is over and now you own another country. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By JamesP81: Probably a couple of things driving this. 1. The world is willing to react harder against authoritarians like Putin (and Xi) than they anticipated, so they're putting on some window dressing and probably re-evaluating the situation with Taiwan. 2. Ukraine is kind of pissed at the West for not doing more to help them. Xi may detect an opportunity to bring Ukraine out of this as a Chinese ally instead of Western ally. It just might work too. China is playing a chess game. Rebuild Ukraine after this is over and now you own another country. I'd say that I hope the geniuses in DC are aware of this and working that problem, but unfortunately we are being lead by a demented potato. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:30:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: If I understand the numbers correctly, they have lost 1/10 of what they invaded ukraine with, 15,000 out of 150,000, and they have millions in reserve. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By MiloBloom: In 3 weeks, the Russians have had as many casualties as the U.S. in Iraq and Afghanistan, in 20 years, combined. If I understand the numbers correctly, they have lost 1/10 of what they invaded ukraine with, 15,000 out of 150,000, and they have millions in reserve. They may have up to 15k dead. How many wounded, captured, and run off? They don't have millions in reserve. If they did why are they trying to fly in Syrians, Armenians, Osettians, PMC's, and asking China for help? They have 75% of their total COMBAT forces engaged in Ukraine and haven't captured any significant objectives. They are fucked. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:30:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD: Out of curiosity how are Ukrainian Refuges making it to Mexico and walking in, in 14 days (March 10) That seems far fetched. Also that dude is Military aged. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD: Originally Posted By realwar: Ukrainian refugees are turned AWAY at southern border because Biden has carried on Trump's Title 42 policy expelling immigrants because of COVID restrictions, lawyers reveal https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/16/00/55400791-10617003-image-a-7_1647389748376.jpg Ukrainian refugees are arriving at the U.S. southern border seeking asylum but are being turned away due to Title 42, a provision that allows migrant expulsion due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. Pictured: a Ukrainian woman and her boyfriend wait for humanitarian visas outside the San Ysidro Port of Entry in Tijuana, Mexico on March 10 More Out of curiosity how are Ukrainian Refuges making it to Mexico and walking in, in 14 days (March 10) That seems far fetched. Also that dude is Military aged. Pushing an open border agenda using the available crisis. Admittedly, the Ukrainians probably won't be allowed in because they are mostly white and Christian. On the other hand I received two emails today from Homeland Security about how they are expediting Afghan and other refugees. Ukrainians just don't fit the acceptable profile. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:32:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Ukraine already told them: "Russian Diplomats, Fuck You!" Russia Proposes Solution to End Ukraine War ....I wouldn't trust a single thing Russia puts on paper. There can be a scenario where you get Russia off Ukrainian soil, while quickly getting in defensive systems like patriot batteries, more javelins and stingers, etc. There should already be Ukrainians training on the patriot system now. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:32:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: They may have up to 15k dead. How many wounded, captured, and run off? They don't have millions in reserve. If they did why are they trying to fly in Syrians, Armenians, Osettians, PMC's, and asking China for help? They have 75% of their total COMBAT forces engaged in Ukraine and haven't captured any significant objectives. They are fucked. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By MiloBloom: In 3 weeks, the Russians have had as many casualties as the U.S. in Iraq and Afghanistan, in 20 years, combined. If I understand the numbers correctly, they have lost 1/10 of what they invaded ukraine with, 15,000 out of 150,000, and they have millions in reserve. They may have up to 15k dead. How many wounded, captured, and run off? They don't have millions in reserve. If they did why are they trying to fly in Syrians, Armenians, Osettians, PMC's, and asking China for help? They have 75% of their total COMBAT forces engaged in Ukraine and haven't captured any significant objectives. They are fucked. Does it even matter if they have millions of troops in reserve? Having them doesn't mean anything if you can't move them, supply them, and provide the heavy weapons / equipment such an army needs to be effective. Imagine sending a half million light infantry into a war with little air and artillery, razor thin supply lines, and little to no fighting vehicles or transport vehicles. It would be a turkey shoot. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:32:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: How the winds of change have blown. China Praises Ukraine Resistance, Pledges Economic Support China will piss down your back and tell you it's raining. Chinese are born liars. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:32:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:33:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSM: I marked every house in my neighborhood that put out a Biden sign or a Burn Loot and Murder sign last year as a likely food source in the event of disaster. I did exactly the same, not a lot of them around here though. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:33:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Probably a couple of things driving this. 1. The world is willing to react harder against authoritarians like Putin (and Xi) than they anticipated, so they're putting on some window dressing and probably re-evaluating the situation with Taiwan. 2. Ukraine is kind of pissed at the West for not doing more to help them. Xi may detect an opportunity to bring Ukraine out of this as a Chinese ally instead of Western ally. It just might work too. And the ignorant myopic isolationists will cheer as China gets access to Ukraine's resources and trade instead of the west. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:34:23 PM EDT
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ALONA MAZURENKO - WEDNESDAY, 16 MARCH 2022, 17:32 Russian occupation forces have struck a convoy of refugees heading from Mariupol. 5 wounded were reported, including children in serious condition. Source: Zaporizhzhia Regional Military Administration, General Staff Direct speech: "On 16 March, at 4 pm in the area of Stepnohirsk, a convoy of civilians moving along the highway towards Zaporizhzhia was fired upon by the heavy artillery of Russian occupation forces... We are aware of about 5 wounded, including one child in a serious condition." Details: The injured child is being operated on with the remote involvement of specialists from Okhmatdyt, a major children's hospital in Ukraine. A fire broke out in the field along the route as a result of the shelling. The Zaporizhzhia Regional Military Administration reported no information about the dead, while the General Staff states there are casualties, but does not report on the dead. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:34:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JamesP81]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Everybodygotone: China will piss down your back and tell you it's raining. Chinese are born liars. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Everybodygotone: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: How the winds of change have blown. China Praises Ukraine Resistance, Pledges Economic Support China will piss down your back and tell you it's raining. Chinese are born liars. They're not entirely lying here. If they jump in and help finance the rebuilding of Ukraine, then the CCP will have 'conquered' Ukraine without even having to shoot anyone, and will receive international approval for having done it. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:35:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Ukraine already told them: "Russian Diplomats, Fuck You!" Russia Proposes Solution to End Ukraine War Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Ukraine already told them: "Russian Diplomats, Fuck You!" Blah blah blah . . . security guarantees." Russia Proposes Solution to End Ukraine War   |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:35:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: And this BS is why we can only sit this out for so long. On state run TV they are literally showing plans to conquer all of Eastern Europe. This doesn't end with Ukraine. Someone has to call their bluff eventually. I'd rather it be sooner than later and after how many tens of thousands or more Ukrainians have to die. This is why we need russia pinned down in ukraine, and decimated. Bleed, russia. Bleed. I honestly think we are going to see a time when russian troops in Ukraine start taking up defensive formations in an attempt to save their own lives. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:37:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Uh...That's kind of a big deal, isn't it? If China flips on Russia and Russia loses their biggest ally in this clusterfuck...I'm too tired to formulate the rest of that thought, but hopefully people get my point. That's a considerable development China is Ukraine's biggest trading partner. China wants to maintain this trade in food, feed grain, and natural resources because if they no longer have Ukraine as a trade partner, they have to buy on the open market or get whatever they can from Russia, but that may come with more sanctions. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:37:31 PM EDT
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Zelinskyy is stupid if he concedes anything and didn't get repirations.
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:38:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:39:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: I wouldn't say that. We were all duped. I myself will admit that there were a lot of things that I admired about Putin. I certainly think that up to this point, he was a lot better than our current Potatus. Certainly not a woke useless meat puppet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By Zhukov: It's embarrassing to note how many people on the right were rah-rah about Russia. I wouldn't say that. We were all duped. I myself will admit that there were a lot of things that I admired about Putin. I certainly think that up to this point, he was a lot better than our current Potatus. Certainly not a woke useless meat puppet. The only thing I "admired" putin for was his ability to make Americans want to cockslobble him. Guy always was a gigantic POS and you won't find a single post of mine where I talked in any way positive about that closet fa..ot orcleader. I hope he ends up like Gaddafi with an AK bayonet up his ass. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:39:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Uh...That's kind of a big deal, isn't it? If China flips on Russia and Russia loses their biggest ally in this clusterfuck...I'm too tired to formulate the rest of that thought, but hopefully people get my point. That's a considerable development Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: How the winds of change have blown. China has praised the strength of the Ukrainian people and promised to respect the choices of its sovereign government in a subtle move to balance its pro-Russia complexion. At a meeting with regional authorities in Lviv on Monday, Chinese Ambassador Fan Xianrong pledged to help Ukraine rebuild after the war. His message was a slight departure from the official line in Beijing, which still maintains general support for Moscow. "China is a friendly country for the Ukrainian people. As an ambassador, I can responsibly say that China will forever be a good force for Ukraine, both economically and politically," said Fan, who relocated with his diplomatic staff from Kyiv toward the country's western border with Poland. "We will always respect your state, we will develop relations on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. We will respect the path chosen by Ukrainians because this is the sovereign right of every nation," Fan told Maksym Kozytskyi, a Lviv military official, according to Ukraine's state news service Ukrinform. Uh...That's kind of a big deal, isn't it? If China flips on Russia and Russia loses their biggest ally in this clusterfuck...I'm too tired to formulate the rest of that thought, but hopefully people get my point. That's a considerable development China says a lot of things, especially now. Let’s see what actually happens. I don’t trust those commie fucks one iota. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:39:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
There's "successfully developed" Russians littering eastern Ukraine. He should call it Operation Compost. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:40:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: martin248]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: They're not entirely lying here. If they jump in and help finance the rebuilding of Ukraine, then the CCP will have 'conquered' Ukraine without even having to shoot anyone, and will receive international approval for having done it. It's been their strategy for a decade. They call it "belt and road". They will build transportation infrastructure that leads to China: improve the rail and road connections that go East, run high bandwidth Internet lines to the East, and upgrade the sea ports most convenient for Eastern trade. Their goal is to make trade with China more convenient than trade with the West and the build that into and eventual alliance. They are already doing it in 70 other countries (70 is not a typo). |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:40:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975:
It seems that every civilian target is a Ukraine HQ, or militia outpost. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:40:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: China is Ukraine's biggest trading partner. China wants to maintain this trade in food, feed grain, and natural resources because if they no longer have Ukraine as a trade partner, they have to buy on the open market or get whatever they can from Russia, but that may come with more sanctions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Originally Posted By Rudukai13: Uh...That's kind of a big deal, isn't it? If China flips on Russia and Russia loses their biggest ally in this clusterfuck...I'm too tired to formulate the rest of that thought, but hopefully people get my point. That's a considerable development China is Ukraine's biggest trading partner. China wants to maintain this trade in food, feed grain, and natural resources because if they no longer have Ukraine as a trade partner, they have to buy on the open market or get whatever they can from Russia, but that may come with more sanctions. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:41:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eolian: Bloomberg tv reporting a neutrality deal has been reached. Ukraine rejects Russian offer of 'Austrian style' neutrality |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:42:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Russian state TV discusses how Putin could invade NATO Baltic states and force Sweden to declare neutrality Video https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/16/14/55432795-0-image-a-2_1647441741509.jpg A former senior officer in the Russian army laid out a battle plan on state TV which includes the Russian army invading the NATO Baltic states and parts of Sweden, a politically neutral country. Speaking live on TV channel Rossiya 1, retired Russian military Colonel gestured to the map showing Gotland, Sweden's largest island with a population of around 58,595, circled in red. Pointing a the map, Colonel Igor Korotchenko, formerly of the Russian General Staff and air force and currently a reserve officer, said at the start of the invasion 'a massive Russian radio-electronic strike is inflicted' as 'all Nato radars go blind and see nothing', according to the Sun. This was how the scenario for capturing the countries might look, he added. Sweden has been politically neutral throughout its recent history, but Russia's invasion of Ukraine brought the prospect of the Nordic country joining NATO to the fore of political discussion. Russia has threatened Sweden and Finland over NATO membership repeatedly since the invasion began. 'At this time, on the Swedish island Gotland, Russian military planes land, delivering S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, and Bastion coastal anti-ship systems,' said Colonel Korotchenko. In the video, a border area labelled the 'Suwalki gap' is shown - the gap between Belarus and Russia's Kaliningrad exclave, a leftover territory annexed from Germany after the Second World War. Colonel Korotchenko explained how Russia would push up from Kaliningrad towards the Suwalki corridor separating Poland and Lithuania, blocking NATO reinforcements from the West. 'The astonished West and Nato will know that Russia declares a no-fly zone of 400km,' added the enthused Colonel. The entire Baltic Sea would then by open to Russian forces, he said on live TV. The scenario ends with the new Baltic states governments pledging allegiance to Moscow while Sweden agrees to perpetual neutrality and a 99-year lease on Gotland. More It's probably best not to even fall for this bait in the arena of public opinion. Let him rage and bluster. If, behind the scenes, the intelligence indicates that he is serious, then we have WW3 on our hands. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:43:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: They may have up to 15k dead. How many wounded, captured, and run off? They don't have millions in reserve. If they did why are they trying to fly in Syrians, Armenians, Osettians, PMC's, and asking China for help? They have 75% of their total COMBAT forces engaged in Ukraine and haven't captured any significant objectives. They are fucked. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By MiloBloom: In 3 weeks, the Russians have had as many casualties as the U.S. in Iraq and Afghanistan, in 20 years, combined. If I understand the numbers correctly, they have lost 1/10 of what they invaded ukraine with, 15,000 out of 150,000, and they have millions in reserve. They may have up to 15k dead. How many wounded, captured, and run off? They don't have millions in reserve. If they did why are they trying to fly in Syrians, Armenians, Osettians, PMC's, and asking China for help? They have 75% of their total COMBAT forces engaged in Ukraine and haven't captured any significant objectives. They are fucked. "They only lost 1/10th of their forces..." You realize that is literally what 'decimated' means, right? |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:43:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By memsu: Serious question. If say we had some opponent invading our country and I happen to find a tank, missile system, etc on my property abandoned. Do I now own that? You have a fucking tank. Who's going to take it away from you? |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:44:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Dam: You're not alone. Great post. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Dam: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Yup if it destroys Russia bring on $10 gas for a year or two. It will hurt, but I'll still have a roof over my head, food in my fridge, heat and AC and gas in my tank. I won't be taking a vacation, probably won't buy a few toys that I don't need, won't add to my watch collection... but I also won't be burying dead friends, family and neighbors. I won't be living on the streets scrapping for food. I won't be trying to rebuild my life from nothing - essentially what I did once after my battle with cancer. As bad as THAT was, it was positively nothing compared to what millions of Ukrainians are going through now. I am absolutely fucking disgusted with the, "it's not my problem" crowd. Legally, no it is not. Morally, well let's just say that people's response to this atrocity is a measure of their soul or lack thereof. If you want sacrifice a little comfort over somebody else's survival... well, yeah...You're not alone. Great post. No it’s not. Shit has been happening all over the world for decades. We pick and choose where to intervene based on our national and global interests and goals. This whole issue is between Russia’s national interests through their oligarchs and globalist slush funds and fake color revolutions. Fuck all of that. It’s not a moral anything any more than sitting on our hands for Hong Kong, an actual ally of ours till we sold them out. Ukraine and Europe need to figure this out, and maybe the EU and the Davos set need to get slapped back while Putin sees he isn’t quite as strong as he thought. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:46:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: They're not entirely lying here. If they jump in and help finance the rebuilding of Ukraine, then the CCP will have 'conquered' Ukraine without even having to shoot anyone, and will receive international approval for having done it. China will still buy food, petroleum, etc from Russia at the same time. They'll sell Russia anything they have the money to buy and share intelligence. They'll do anything they can benefit from. But ya... everyone is salivating over Ukraine. Putin, Xi, Soros and western globalists, xiden (the big guy) and his masters. Ukraine is desperate at this point. They did not prepare for this and will suck up to whoever they see as the lesser of evils. In the end, they'll probably kiss the ring of the Soros/Brussels oligarchy. May seem like the lesser of evils compared to Moscow, but Covid gave us a glimpse of what western globalists have in mind. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:47:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: This is why we need russia pinned down in ukraine, and decimated. Bleed, russia. Bleed. I honestly think we are going to see a time when russian troops in Ukraine start taking up defensive formations in an attempt to save their own lives. Russia is on the ropes, time to go for the knock out. Instead, some bullshit deal will be done in Ukraine, sanctions will be lifted, Europe will go back to buying their oil and gas. Russia will take that cash and rebuild a better version of their Military and will be a problem again in the near future. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:48:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: How the winds of change have blown. China Praises Ukraine Resistance, Pledges Economic Support idk that that's the winds of change, more like ccp belts and roads |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:49:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoBrau: You have a fucking tank. Who's going to take it away from you? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoBrau: Originally Posted By memsu: Serious question. If say we had some opponent invading our country and I happen to find a tank, missile system, etc on my property abandoned. Do I now own that? You have a fucking tank. Who's going to take it away from you? |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:49:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NunyaBidness]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Probably a couple of things driving this. 1. The world is willing to react harder against authoritarians like Putin (and Xi) than they anticipated, so they're putting on some window dressing and probably re-evaluating the situation with Taiwan. 2. Ukraine is kind of pissed at the West for not doing more to help them. Xi may detect an opportunity to bring Ukraine out of this as a Chinese ally instead of Western ally. It just might work too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: How the winds of change have blown. China Praises Ukraine Resistance, Pledges Economic Support Probably a couple of things driving this. 1. The world is willing to react harder against authoritarians like Putin (and Xi) than they anticipated, so they're putting on some window dressing and probably re-evaluating the situation with Taiwan. 2. Ukraine is kind of pissed at the West for not doing more to help them. Xi may detect an opportunity to bring Ukraine out of this as a Chinese ally instead of Western ally. It just might work too. 1. Sending arms into Ukraine to be used against Russia, good shit too. 2. Allowing our "retired" soldiers (some with still wet ink DD214's too) to join the conflict. 3. Presumably feeding them intel from our sigint platforms (not confirmed, but likely IMO.) What more could we be doing that doesn't put NATO soldiers the line of fire? I guess the airplane transfer. I would probably have done that one. NATO clearly wants two things: 1. For Ukraine to beat Russia, and; 2. For this to remain strictly between Ukraine and Russia. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:49:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Everybodygotone: China will piss down your back and tell you it's raining. Chinese are born liars. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Everybodygotone: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: How the winds of change have blown. China Praises Ukraine Resistance, Pledges Economic Support China will piss down your back and tell you it's raining. Chinese are born liars. The linked article basically says china will help Ukraine rebuild after the war, it doesn't say shit about supporting Urkaine during the war. Just another opportunity for china to make more money and the idea of using china made materials for rebuilding is a scary thought. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:50:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: iggy1337]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Uh...That's kind of a big deal, isn't it? If China flips on Russia and Russia loses their biggest ally in this clusterfuck...I'm too tired to formulate the rest of that thought, but hopefully people get my point. That's a considerable development Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: How the winds of change have blown. China has praised the strength of the Ukrainian people and promised to respect the choices of its sovereign government in a subtle move to balance its pro-Russia complexion. At a meeting with regional authorities in Lviv on Monday, Chinese Ambassador Fan Xianrong pledged to help Ukraine rebuild after the war. His message was a slight departure from the official line in Beijing, which still maintains general support for Moscow. "China is a friendly country for the Ukrainian people. As an ambassador, I can responsibly say that China will forever be a good force for Ukraine, both economically and politically," said Fan, who relocated with his diplomatic staff from Kyiv toward the country's western border with Poland. "We will always respect your state, we will develop relations on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. We will respect the path chosen by Ukrainians because this is the sovereign right of every nation," Fan told Maksym Kozytskyi, a Lviv military official, according to Ukraine's state news service Ukrinform. Uh...That's kind of a big deal, isn't it? If China flips on Russia and Russia loses their biggest ally in this clusterfuck...I'm too tired to formulate the rest of that thought, but hopefully people get my point. That's a considerable development Hadn't see this one yet myself. Deaded Ka-52 + happy local  ?????????? ????????? ????? ???????? ??????????? ?????????? They have made the calculation and know on which side their rice is buttered |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:51:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: And this BS is why we can only sit this out for so long. On state run TV they are literally showing plans to conquer all of Eastern Europe. This doesn't end with Ukraine. Someone has to call their bluff eventually. I'd rather it be sooner than later and after how many tens of thousands or more Ukrainians have to die. Russia has zero ability to actually do what was presented. That presentation was a mix of wishful thinking and "We're putting the Soviet Union back together" propaganda for internal consumption. Even if you make huge allowances for Western/Ukrainian propaganda, and ignore the anecdotal Twitter videos, it's still clear Russia is struggling with this invasion. Analysis estimates say Russia has about 3/4ths of their active military tied up in Ukraine. The idea that Russia was using the post-Soviet years to modernize it's military is proving false. Either they just plain didn't. Or they tried, and graft, corruption, and incompetence sucked it all away. Their command-comms-and-control is crap, and what they've got that is "new" they don't have enough of it, and don't have the logistics or quality professional non-conscript manpower to run it properly. They've got Baofeng radios on clear analog channels for comms, and generals are getting whacked at the front because there's chain of command, and communication problems so they can't direct things from the rear. Just my opinion, but I'd say Russia has about another month of operations in Ukraine, before their logistics tail fails them completely, and the devastation from the sanctions filters down fully to the Russian street-level economy. Everyone likes to point out Russia's GDP was smaller than Italy. Was... |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:51:20 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Probably a couple of things driving this. 1. The world is willing to react harder against authoritarians like Putin (and Xi) than they anticipated, so they're putting on some window dressing and probably re-evaluating the situation with Taiwan. 2. Ukraine is kind of pissed at the West for not doing more to help them. Xi may detect an opportunity to bring Ukraine out of this as a Chinese ally instead of Western ally. It just might work too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Originally Posted By PurpleOtter: How the winds of change have blown. China Praises Ukraine Resistance, Pledges Economic Support Probably a couple of things driving this. 1. The world is willing to react harder against authoritarians like Putin (and Xi) than they anticipated, so they're putting on some window dressing and probably re-evaluating the situation with Taiwan. 2. Ukraine is kind of pissed at the West for not doing more to help them. Xi may detect an opportunity to bring Ukraine out of this as a Chinese ally instead of Western ally. It just might work too. Ukraine is important for China's big plans. Mar 12, 2022 - Russia's Ukraine Invasion Is Bad News For China’s Belt And Road Ambitions "But Beijing’s actions are telling a different story, underscored by the March 9 Foreign Ministry announcement that the Chinese Red Cross is supplying almost $800,000 in humanitarian assistance to Ukraine. The amount is small, but the gesture is significant in the current context: Chinese leaders are hedging their geopolitical bets."  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:51:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyMattel: Because drilling for oil takes both lotsa $$$ and labor plus time? Seemed to hum along fine when Trump was in the wh. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:52:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: So go. Go fight them. Too old? Do you have any kids? Send them. Start a gofundme and I'll pitch in. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: I am absolutely fucking disgusted with the, "it's not my problem" crowd. Legally, no it is not. Morally, well let's just say that people's response to this atrocity is a measure of their soul or lack thereof. If you want sacrifice a little comfort over somebody else's survival... well, yeah...So go. Go fight them. Too old? Do you have any kids? Send them. Start a gofundme and I'll pitch in. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:54:14 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Enemy infantry from The Lord of The Rings. Made out of mud and black magic I think. It’s what the Ukrainian soldiers call them. The name fits. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: Originally Posted By mancow: WTF is an orc? Enemy infantry from The Lord of The Rings. Made out of mud and black magic I think. It’s what the Ukrainian soldiers call them. The name fits. thanks |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:54:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoBrau: You have a fucking tank. Who's going to take it away from you? Your fuel station, parts counter guy, and mechanic. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:55:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyorock: Russia is on the ropes, time to go for the knock out. Yep, decimate them to the point that they won't see recovery until well after Putins death. In the mean time cultivate a more western replacement government. Hopefully Zelensky and other border states will see that adapting a Swiss style firearms ownership will provide for a common defense. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:55:42 PM EDT
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Let us know how that works out for you - given the fact they are running out of digital storage capacity.
By Reuters Updated: 16/03/2022 - 17:45 Russian tech entrepreneurs are set to launch a picture-sharing application on the domestic market to help fill the void left by Instagram, which the authorities blocked this week. The new service, known as Rossgram, will launch on March 28 and have additional functions such as crowdfunding and paid access for some content, its website said on Wednesday. "My partner Kirill Filimonov and our group of developers were already ready for this turn of events and decided not to miss the opportunity to create a Russian analogue of a popular social network beloved by our compatriots," Alexander Zobov, the initiative's public relations director, wrote on the VKontakte social network. Russians set to launch new 'Rossgram' photo-sharing app after Instagram blocked by the Kremlin |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:56:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: And the ignorant myopic isolationists will cheer as China gets access to Ukraine's resources and trade instead of the west. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7empest: Originally Posted By JamesP81: Probably a couple of things driving this. 1. The world is willing to react harder against authoritarians like Putin (and Xi) than they anticipated, so they're putting on some window dressing and probably re-evaluating the situation with Taiwan. 2. Ukraine is kind of pissed at the West for not doing more to help them. Xi may detect an opportunity to bring Ukraine out of this as a Chinese ally instead of Western ally. It just might work too. And the ignorant myopic isolationists will cheer as China gets access to Ukraine's resources and trade instead of the west. Lol. Like Afghanistan? Most of East Africa? Almost all of Australia? Huge beachheads in South America? Fucking Ukraine. That’s the lynchpin. Please. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:56:42 PM EDT
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 Putin says Russia was 'under threat' and claims 'Kyiv had a choice' |
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