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Posted: 3/16/2022 11:59:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilverBearX: Russia is a piece of shit. They murder women and children of their friendly neighbors and will murder all of Europe if they get a chance. It is truly unfortunate. A modern, friendly, peaceful nation is getting savaged. Get ready, we are going to be pulled in soon. This x9000. This all ends the minute Russians stop attacking Ukraine. So Putin, who seems to be the only person who has any kind of say in the matter is basking in his own glory. He loves having all that control without having to answer to anyone else for what he's totally responsible for. The entire civilized world is condemning his actions, but he doesn't seem to care what anyone else thinks at all. Something is going to happen eventually and Russians won't like it either. It's too bad he had to stain his own legacy by pulling a stunt like this. Right up to this point he had the respect of the world for pulling Russia out of the hole he turned right around and buried them in all over again. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:00:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Yup if it destroys Russia bring on $10 gas for a year or two. It will hurt, but I'll still have a roof over my head, food in my fridge, heat and AC and gas in my tank. I won't be taking a vacation, probably won't buy a few toys that I don't need, won't add to my watch collection... but I also won't be burying dead friends, family and neighbors. I won't be living on the streets scrapping for food. I won't be trying to rebuild my life from nothing - essentially what I did once after my battle with cancer. As bad as THAT was, it was positively nothing compared to what millions of Ukrainians are going through now. I am absolutely fucking disgusted with the, "it's not my problem" crowd. Legally, no it is not. Morally, well let's just say that people's response to this atrocity is a measure of their soul or lack thereof. If you want sacrifice a little comfort over somebody else's survival... well,  yeah...While you can weather the storm, there are millions here in America that can't. I get what you are saying and mostly agree. Based on Russia and Putin's comments, this is really about genocide and getting rid of the Ukrainian people. If this was just a border dispute and life was going to go on afterwards mostly back to normal for Ukrainians, it would change the math. But due to the rhetoric from Putin and others, sitting on the sidelines and watching 40 million get genocided is out. Something must be done by those with the ability to do so. Some hardships are going to happen for most worldwide. Obviously, nuclear war needs to be in the back of people's minds. But being afraid to provoke the aggressors in this situation is fucking horseshit. Again, as I have repeatedly said, the West needs to take proactive measures against Russian interests abroad. Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Belarus are all cozied up to Russia. Overthrowing any of those regimes or the real threat to do so will make Russia back off, or lead to a pro west change elsewhere. While Ukraine may be more valuable to Russia than any of those, are they really ready to risk those regimes for what is already bound to be a phallic "win" if they are actually able to take Ukraine? Having a many year insurgency on their border AND losing something like Cuba or Venezuela changes the math on this. Park a carrier group off the coast of either of those countries and tell Putin to get back to the negotiating table with Ukraine, and make a legit offer for peace. If not, you lose an interest in the West. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:02:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:03:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Yup if it destroys Russia bring on $10 gas for a year or two. It will hurt, but I'll still have a roof over my head, food in my fridge, heat and AC and gas in my tank. I won't be taking a vacation, probably won't buy a few toys that I don't need, won't add to my watch collection... but I also won't be burying dead friends, family and neighbors. I won't be living on the streets scrapping for food. I won't be trying to rebuild my life from nothing - essentially what I did once after my battle with cancer. As bad as THAT was, it was positively nothing compared to what millions of Ukrainians are going through now. I am absolutely fucking disgusted with the, "it's not my problem" crowd. Legally, no it is not. Morally, well let's just say that people's response to this atrocity is a measure of their soul or lack thereof. If you want sacrifice a little comfort over somebody else's survival... well, yeah...GD and the rest of the western world, for that matter, need to get over the idea that doing anything good is illegitimate because it's virtual signaling. Some people do good because they believe in it. I am not excited to jump into a direct conflict with Russia just yet, but I'm good with increasing our assistance to Ukraine. Stingers and Javelins have been effective, but I don't see any issue with providing them heavier weapons either. Armor, artillery, etc. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:03:38 PM EDT
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The "strongly worded letter"
THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) The United Nations' top court on Wednesday ordered Russia to stop hostilities in Ukraine granting measures requested by Kyiv, although many remain skeptical that Russia would comply. Ukraine had two weeks ago asked the International Court of Justice, also known as the World Court, to intervene, arguing Russia violated the 1948 Genocide Convention by falsely accusing Ukraine of committing genocide and using that as a pretext for the ongoing invasion. The court's president, U.S. judge Joan E. Donoghue, demanded that "the Russian Federation shall immediately suspend the special military operations it commenced on Feb. 24." UN court orders Russia to cease hostilities in Ukraine |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:04:59 PM EDT
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Ukrainian refugees are turned AWAY at southern border because Biden has carried on Trump's Title 42 policy expelling immigrants because of COVID restrictions, lawyers reveal
 Ukrainian refugees are arriving at the U.S. southern border seeking asylum but are being turned away due to Title 42, a provision that allows migrant expulsion due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. Pictured: a Ukrainian woman and her boyfriend wait for humanitarian visas outside the San Ysidro Port of Entry in Tijuana, Mexico on March 10 More |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mnd6563: Ukrainians are paying with their blood, we will have to pay with a few extra dollars. I'm completely onboard with paying whatever it takes 100%, it's depressing to think anyone in the US would think otherwise... Nah. Europe’s fault and Europe’s problem. They should pay, not me. We should be sending a bill to France and Germany for every piece of hardware we send over there. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:06:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: The Sams will help them more. Any of these good at shooting down cruise missiles? Russia isn't flying many sorties over Ukrainian air space as best I can tell, but they are lobbing a lot of air launched cruise missiles. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:07:05 PM EDT
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Saw this posted in the last 30 minutes. First phone call Sullivan has had with Russian counterpart in a week. UK said the same thing yesterday, based on how good the intel has been up to now, it seems NATO has a real concern that Putin is up to something...
White House: U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan warned his Russian counterpart on a phone call against using biological weapons in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:07:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Commando223: We shouldn't have to they are exploiting the hell out of this tragedy and your falling right into it. It's costing us because of the dems fuck ups and the found a way to make people ok with it cuz feels. So no I'm not ok with $10 gas and let's hurt a while for this war now when did we have to do this before? Exactly. Why aren't we pumping the hell out of oil, bring the price down and make russia suffer even more? Oil gets back to 55 bucks a barrel, and russia doesn't make shit off of it. They lose money on black market discounted sales. I miss having a non pussy in the white house. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:08:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: The Sams will help them more. Correct They are also 100% defensive. That is a big factor. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:08:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:09:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGuy: Crude prices have already dropped back down to 100 USD - we aren't gonna have to worry about insane prices, I think. I think you mean more insane prices 
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:09:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Yup if it destroys Russia bring on $10 gas for a year or two. It will hurt, but I'll still have a roof over my head, food in my fridge, heat and AC and gas in my tank. I won't be taking a vacation, probably won't buy a few toys that I don't need, won't add to my watch collection... but I also won't be burying dead friends, family and neighbors. I won't be living on the streets scrapping for food. I won't be trying to rebuild my life from nothing - essentially what I did once after my battle with cancer. As bad as THAT was, it was positively nothing compared to what millions of Ukrainians are going through now. I am absolutely fucking disgusted with the, "it's not my problem" crowd. Legally, no it is not. Morally, well let's just say that people's response to this atrocity is a measure of their soul or lack thereof. If you want sacrifice a little comfort over somebody else's survival... well, yeah...You're not alone. Great post. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:09:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Any of these good at shooting down cruise missiles? Russia isn't flying many sorties over Ukrainian air space as best I can tell, but they are lobbing a lot of air launched cruise missiles. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:10:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: While you can weather the storm, there are millions here in America that can't. I get what you are saying and mostly agree. Based on Russia and Putin's comments, this is really about genocide and getting rid of the Ukrainian people. If this was just a border dispute and life was going to go on afterwards mostly back to normal for Ukrainians, it would change the math. But due to the rhetoric from Putin and others, sitting on the sidelines and watching 40 million get genocided is out. Something must be done by those with the ability to do so. Some hardships are going to happen for most worldwide. Obviously, nuclear war needs to be in the back of people's minds. But being afraid to provoke the aggressors in this situation is fucking horseshit. Again, as I have repeatedly said, the West needs to take proactive measures against Russian interests abroad. Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Belarus are all cozied up to Russia. Overthrowing any of those regimes or the real threat to do so will make Russia back off, or lead to a pro west change elsewhere. While Ukraine may be more valuable to Russia than any of those, are they really ready to risk those regimes for what is already bound to be a phallic "win" if they are actually able to take Ukraine? Having a many year insurgency on their border AND losing something like Cuba or Venezuela changes the math on this. Park a carrier group off the coast of either of those countries and tell Putin to get back to the negotiating table with Ukraine, and make a legit offer for peace. If not, you lose an interest in the West. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Yup if it destroys Russia bring on $10 gas for a year or two. It will hurt, but I'll still have a roof over my head, food in my fridge, heat and AC and gas in my tank. I won't be taking a vacation, probably won't buy a few toys that I don't need, won't add to my watch collection... but I also won't be burying dead friends, family and neighbors. I won't be living on the streets scrapping for food. I won't be trying to rebuild my life from nothing - essentially what I did once after my battle with cancer. As bad as THAT was, it was positively nothing compared to what millions of Ukrainians are going through now. I am absolutely fucking disgusted with the, "it's not my problem" crowd. Legally, no it is not. Morally, well let's just say that people's response to this atrocity is a measure of their soul or lack thereof. If you want sacrifice a little comfort over somebody else's survival... well, yeah...While you can weather the storm, there are millions here in America that can't. I get what you are saying and mostly agree. Based on Russia and Putin's comments, this is really about genocide and getting rid of the Ukrainian people. If this was just a border dispute and life was going to go on afterwards mostly back to normal for Ukrainians, it would change the math. But due to the rhetoric from Putin and others, sitting on the sidelines and watching 40 million get genocided is out. Something must be done by those with the ability to do so. Some hardships are going to happen for most worldwide. Obviously, nuclear war needs to be in the back of people's minds. But being afraid to provoke the aggressors in this situation is fucking horseshit. Again, as I have repeatedly said, the West needs to take proactive measures against Russian interests abroad. Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Belarus are all cozied up to Russia. Overthrowing any of those regimes or the real threat to do so will make Russia back off, or lead to a pro west change elsewhere. While Ukraine may be more valuable to Russia than any of those, are they really ready to risk those regimes for what is already bound to be a phallic "win" if they are actually able to take Ukraine? Having a many year insurgency on their border AND losing something like Cuba or Venezuela changes the math on this. Park a carrier group off the coast of either of those countries and tell Putin to get back to the negotiating table with Ukraine, and make a legit offer for peace. If not, you lose an interest in the West. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:10:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Most of my relatives that served during WW2 did leave it behind. A few couldn't. My granddad had a cousin that was in the Bataan Death March. I don't think he ever quite left it behind because of that. I know people who never met their father. Most didn't let it go. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:11:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Ukrainian refugees are turned AWAY at southern border because Biden has carried on Trump's Title 42 policy expelling immigrants because of COVID restrictions, lawyers reveal https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/16/00/55400791-10617003-image-a-7_1647389748376.jpg Ukrainian refugees are arriving at the U.S. southern border seeking asylum but are being turned away due to Title 42, a provision that allows migrant expulsion due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. Pictured: a Ukrainian woman and her boyfriend wait for humanitarian visas outside the San Ysidro Port of Entry in Tijuana, Mexico on March 10 More Out of curiosity how are Ukrainian Refuges making it to Mexico and walking in, in 14 days (March 10) That seems far fetched. Also that dude is Military aged. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:12:09 PM EDT
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How the winds of change have blown.
China has praised the strength of the Ukrainian people and promised to respect the choices of its sovereign government in a subtle move to balance its pro-Russia complexion. At a meeting with regional authorities in Lviv on Monday, Chinese Ambassador Fan Xianrong pledged to help Ukraine rebuild after the war. His message was a slight departure from the official line in Beijing, which still maintains general support for Moscow. "China is a friendly country for the Ukrainian people. As an ambassador, I can responsibly say that China will forever be a good force for Ukraine, both economically and politically," said Fan, who relocated with his diplomatic staff from Kyiv toward the country's western border with Poland. "We will always respect your state, we will develop relations on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. We will respect the path chosen by Ukrainians because this is the sovereign right of every nation," Fan told Maksym Kozytskyi, a Lviv military official, according to Ukraine's state news service Ukrinform. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:12:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Most of my relatives that served during WW2 did leave it behind. A few couldn't. My granddad had a cousin that was in the Bataan Death March. I don't think he ever quite left it behind because of that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Every ACTUAL vet of WWII I've spoken to, including Iwo vets I've interviewed for official Marine Corps history have left that hate behind them years ago. In fact one volunteered to stay in occupied Japan because he wanted to bang hot Japanese broads. Most of my relatives that served during WW2 did leave it behind. A few couldn't. My granddad had a cousin that was in the Bataan Death March. I don't think he ever quite left it behind because of that. One of the memories from my childhood that will always stand out to me is the time we came home for Christmas in the early 80's, and my grandfather was beside himself angry at my father for showing up in a shiny new Toyota. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:13:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Commando223: We shouldn't have to they are exploiting the hell out of this tragedy and your falling right into it. It's costing us because of the dems fuck ups and the found a way to make people ok with it cuz feels. So no I'm not ok with $10 gas and let's hurt a while for this war now when did we have to do this before? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Commando223: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Yup if it destroys Russia bring on $10 gas for a year or two. It will hurt, but I'll still have a roof over my head, food in my fridge, heat and AC and gas in my tank. I won't be taking a vacation, probably won't buy a few toys that I don't need, won't add to my watch collection... but I also won't be burying dead friends, family and neighbors. I won't be living on the streets scrapping for food. I won't be trying to rebuild my life from nothing - essentially what I did once after my battle with cancer. As bad as THAT was, it was positively nothing compared to what millions of Ukrainians are going through now. I am absolutely fucking disgusted with the, "it's not my problem" crowd. Legally, no it is not. Morally, well let's just say that people's response to this atrocity is a measure of their soul or lack thereof. If you want sacrifice a little comfort over somebody else's survival... well, yeah...We shouldn't have to they are exploiting the hell out of this tragedy and your falling right into it. It's costing us because of the dems fuck ups and the found a way to make people ok with it cuz feels. So no I'm not ok with $10 gas and let's hurt a while for this war now when did we have to do this before? Yes, the dems are absolutely exploiting the issue. That is completely irrelevant insofar as Russians are perpetrating atrocities on a nation who did not instigate war and who gave up their best means of defense at our behest. No, in doing so we did not promise to protect them, but we promised their borders would be respected. Russia, who also signed that agreement, has not respected their borders so I have ZERO problem with providing them what is needed to beat Russia back. In the meantime, if it disrupts my cushy life a little... so be it. Maybe this will also help wake Americans up and they realize we can be energy independent and elect conservative minded members of Congress in this November to beat back the radical environmentalists here. Some of us are capable of thinking along two tracks at the same time. My beef is with people who say fuck it not my problem. My beef isn't with people who say we have to get our house in order. We can get our house in order in terms of energy independence while also supplying the means to stay independent to a country we convinced to give up their greatest ability to protect their independence. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hondaciv: All of whom live in nursing homes |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:13:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Ukrainian refugees are turned AWAY at southern border because Biden has carried on Trump's Title 42 policy expelling immigrants because of COVID restrictions, lawyers reveal https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/16/00/55400791-10617003-image-a-7_1647389748376.jpg Ukrainian refugees are arriving at the U.S. southern border seeking asylum but are being turned away due to Title 42, a provision that allows migrant expulsion due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. Pictured: a Ukrainian woman and her boyfriend wait for humanitarian visas outside the San Ysidro Port of Entry in Tijuana, Mexico on March 10 More All they have to do is go east a little and cross anywhere other than a POE. Biden's immigration policy is a joke on so many levels. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:14:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:14:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: How the winds of change have blown. China Praises Ukraine Resistance, Pledges Economic Support Probably a couple of things driving this. 1. The world is willing to react harder against authoritarians like Putin (and Xi) than they anticipated, so they're putting on some window dressing and probably re-evaluating the situation with Taiwan. 2. Ukraine is kind of pissed at the West for not doing more to help them. Xi may detect an opportunity to bring Ukraine out of this as a Chinese ally instead of Western ally. It just might work too. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:15:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Exactly. Why aren't we pumping the hell out of oil, bring the price down and make russia suffer even more? Oil gets back to 55 bucks a barrel, and russia doesn't make shit off of it. They lose money on black market discounted sales. I miss having a non pussy in the white house. Because drilling for oil takes both lotsa $$$ and labor plus time? |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:15:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Yes, the dems are absolutely exploiting the issue. That is completely irrelevant insofar as Russians are perpetrating atrocities on a nation who did not instigate war and who gave up their best means of defense at our behest. No, in doing so we did not promise to protect them, but we promised their borders would be respected. Russia, who also signed that agreement, has not respected their borders so I have ZERO problem with providing them what is needed to beat Russia back. In the meantime, if it disrupts my cushy life a little... so be it. Maybe this will also help wake Americans up and they realize we can be energy independent and elect conservative minded members of Congress in this November to beat back the radical environmentalists here. Some of us are capable of thinking along two tracks at the same time. My beef is with people who say fuck it not my problem. My beef isn't with people who say we have to get our house in order. We can get our house in order in terms of energy independence while also supplying the means to stay independent to a country we convinced to give up their greatest ability to protect their independence. +1 |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:16:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD: Out of curiosity how are Ukrainian Refuges making it to Mexico and walking in, in 14 days (March 10) That seems far fetched. Also that dude is Military aged. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD: Originally Posted By realwar: Ukrainian refugees are turned AWAY at southern border because Biden has carried on Trump's Title 42 policy expelling immigrants because of COVID restrictions, lawyers reveal https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/16/00/55400791-10617003-image-a-7_1647389748376.jpg Ukrainian refugees are arriving at the U.S. southern border seeking asylum but are being turned away due to Title 42, a provision that allows migrant expulsion due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. Pictured: a Ukrainian woman and her boyfriend wait for humanitarian visas outside the San Ysidro Port of Entry in Tijuana, Mexico on March 10 More Out of curiosity how are Ukrainian Refuges making it to Mexico and walking in, in 14 days (March 10) That seems far fetched. Also that dude is Military aged. It's a plane flight from Warsaw to Mexico City. Not terribly expensive. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blue_Devil_JD: Out of curiosity how are Ukrainian Refuges making it to Mexico and walking in, in 14 days (March 10) That seems far fetched. Also that dude is Military aged. Easy, fly. Mexico lets just about anyone fly in and get a tourist stamp on arrival. There are direct flights from Europe. That's how all the Cubans, Haitians and Venezuelans get there. Then it's a bus ride (and greasing a few hands) to get to the US border and walk across. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:16:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: My grandfather who served in the PTO never talked about it much, and seemed to have left most of it behind, but there were times when it would come raging out. One of the memories from my childhood that will always stand out to me is the time we came home for Christmas in the early 80's, and my grandfather was beside himself angry at my father for showing up in a shiny new Toyota. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: Originally Posted By JamesP81: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Every ACTUAL vet of WWII I've spoken to, including Iwo vets I've interviewed for official Marine Corps history have left that hate behind them years ago. In fact one volunteered to stay in occupied Japan because he wanted to bang hot Japanese broads. Most of my relatives that served during WW2 did leave it behind. A few couldn't. My granddad had a cousin that was in the Bataan Death March. I don't think he ever quite left it behind because of that. One of the memories from my childhood that will always stand out to me is the time we came home for Christmas in the early 80's, and my grandfather was beside himself angry at my father for showing up in a shiny new Toyota.  Gran Torino - The Opening (part 3)- "Kill you to buy American?" |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:17:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Some of those folks have fathers, and uncles and grandfathers buried in those places. It is personal. Lots of us have family that did not return but that has nothing to do with here and now. Especially in the case of Japan. They are one of our staunchest, reliable and looking forward most important allies. Plus a lot of Japanese cars are made here in the US and employ a lot of Americans. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:17:57 PM EDT
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Russian state TV discusses how Putin could invade NATO Baltic states and force Sweden to declare neutrality
Video  A former senior officer in the Russian army laid out a battle plan on state TV which includes the Russian army invading the NATO Baltic states and parts of Sweden, a politically neutral country. Speaking live on TV channel Rossiya 1, retired Russian military Colonel gestured to the map showing Gotland, Sweden's largest island with a population of around 58,595, circled in red. Pointing a the map, Colonel Igor Korotchenko, formerly of the Russian General Staff and air force and currently a reserve officer, said at the start of the invasion 'a massive Russian radio-electronic strike is inflicted' as 'all Nato radars go blind and see nothing', according to the Sun. This was how the scenario for capturing the countries might look, he added. Sweden has been politically neutral throughout its recent history, but Russia's invasion of Ukraine brought the prospect of the Nordic country joining NATO to the fore of political discussion. Russia has threatened Sweden and Finland over NATO membership repeatedly since the invasion began. 'At this time, on the Swedish island Gotland, Russian military planes land, delivering S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, and Bastion coastal anti-ship systems,' said Colonel Korotchenko. In the video, a border area labelled the 'Suwalki gap' is shown - the gap between Belarus and Russia's Kaliningrad exclave, a leftover territory annexed from Germany after the Second World War. Colonel Korotchenko explained how Russia would push up from Kaliningrad towards the Suwalki corridor separating Poland and Lithuania, blocking NATO reinforcements from the West. 'The astonished West and Nato will know that Russia declares a no-fly zone of 400km,' added the enthused Colonel. The entire Baltic Sea would then by open to Russian forces, he said on live TV. The scenario ends with the new Baltic states governments pledging allegiance to Moscow while Sweden agrees to perpetual neutrality and a 99-year lease on Gotland. More |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:20:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Commando223: We shouldn't have to they are exploiting the hell out of this tragedy and your falling right into it. It's costing us because of the dems fuck ups and the found a way to make people ok with it cuz feels. So no I'm not ok with $10 gas and let's hurt a while for this war now when did we have to do this before? Americans not directly involved just toddled merrily along. No sacrifices except for relatives of the troops killed or wounded. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:21:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stretchman: This x9000. This all ends the minute Russians stop attacking Ukraine. So Putin, who seems to be the only person who has any kind of say in the matter is basking in his own glory. He loves having all that control without having to answer to anyone else for what he's totally responsible for. The entire civilized world is condemning his actions, but he doesn't seem to care what anyone else thinks at all. Something is going to happen eventually and Russians won't like it either. It's too bad he had to stain his own legacy by pulling a stunt like this. Right up to this point he had the respect of the world for pulling Russia out of the hole he turned right around and buried them in all over again. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely. He’s THE ULTIMATE definition of narcissist. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:21:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Probably a couple of things driving this. 1. The world is willing to react harder against authoritarians like Putin (and Xi) than they anticipated, so they're putting on some window dressing and probably re-evaluating the situation with Taiwan. 2. Ukraine is kind of pissed at the West for not doing more to help them. Xi may detect an opportunity to bring Ukraine out of this as a Chinese ally instead of Western ally. It just might work too. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:21:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiloBloom: In 3 weeks, the Russians have had as many casualties as the U.S. in Iraq and Afghanistan, in 20 years, combined. If I understand the numbers correctly, they have lost 1/10 of what they invaded ukraine with, 15,000 out of 150,000, and they have millions in reserve. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:22:01 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: Originally Posted By dsteelman: Wonder what a gallon of gas costs in russia.....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c77JgJcrO9s4:45 That is a very western looking mini-mart. 
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:22:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Dam: You're not alone. Great post. Not great. EU has been told for years to get off Russian oil and start building up militarily. It’s their moral failure that made this happen. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be providing weapons to Ukraine, in fact I think we should send more impactful weapons. But not at our own expense. Germany and France directly funding and arming Russia for years is a huge problem and they should feel the pain, not Americans who’ve already been harmed for 2 years by covid. F Putin, F Macron, F Olaf. This is entirely their fault. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:22:29 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Commando223: We shouldn't have to they are exploiting the hell out of this tragedy and your falling right into it. It's costing us because of the dems fuck ups and the found a way to make people ok with it cuz feels. So no I'm not ok with $10 gas and let's hurt a while for this war now when did we have to do this before? Yep. The lowly citizens of every nation are getting economically fucked while our political "leaders" play games. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:22:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyMattel: Because drilling for oil takes both lotsa $$$ and labor plus time? |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:24:06 PM EDT
[#42]
Putin is coming unhinged:
Putin- “Natural and necessary self-purification of the society will only strengthen our country” |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:24:29 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Dam: You're not alone. Great post. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J-Dam: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: Yup if it destroys Russia bring on $10 gas for a year or two. It will hurt, but I'll still have a roof over my head, food in my fridge, heat and AC and gas in my tank. I won't be taking a vacation, probably won't buy a few toys that I don't need, won't add to my watch collection... but I also won't be burying dead friends, family and neighbors. I won't be living on the streets scrapping for food. I won't be trying to rebuild my life from nothing - essentially what I did once after my battle with cancer. As bad as THAT was, it was positively nothing compared to what millions of Ukrainians are going through now. I am absolutely fucking disgusted with the, "it's not my problem" crowd. Legally, no it is not. Morally, well let's just say that people's response to this atrocity is a measure of their soul or lack thereof. If you want sacrifice a little comfort over somebody else's survival... well, yeah...You're not alone. Great post. There are political concerns and history that I don't know the answers to and maybe don't even know the concerns. There is also Right and Wrong. I know the answer to that and it is that we must help the Ukranians kill Russians. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:25:25 PM EDT
[#44]
Ukraine already told them: "Russian Diplomats, Fuck You!"
A demilitarized Ukraine with its own army could be the solution to end the raging war in Ukraine, Russia said on Wednesday. Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov was quoted by RIA news agency and Reuters as saying that "this is a variant that is currently being discussed and which could really be seen as a compromise." It's not yet clear if the offer of neutrality has come from Ukrainian officials, but Russian chief negotiator Vladimir Medinsky has claimed so. On Wednesday, he told state TV that "Ukraine is offering an Austrian or Swedish version of a neutral demilitarized state, but at the same time a state with its own army and navy." The suggested solution was confirmed by Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov, who speaking to RBC news on Wednesday said "neutral status is now being seriously discussed along, of course, with security guarantees." |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:26:46 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Russian state TV discusses how Putin could invade NATO Baltic states and force Sweden to declare neutrality Video https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/16/14/55432795-0-image-a-2_1647441741509.jpg A former senior officer in the Russian army laid out a battle plan on state TV which includes the Russian army invading the NATO Baltic states and parts of Sweden, a politically neutral country. Speaking live on TV channel Rossiya 1, retired Russian military Colonel gestured to the map showing Gotland, Sweden's largest island with a population of around 58,595, circled in red. Pointing a the map, Colonel Igor Korotchenko, formerly of the Russian General Staff and air force and currently a reserve officer, said at the start of the invasion 'a massive Russian radio-electronic strike is inflicted' as 'all Nato radars go blind and see nothing', according to the Sun. This was how the scenario for capturing the countries might look, he added. Sweden has been politically neutral throughout its recent history, but Russia's invasion of Ukraine brought the prospect of the Nordic country joining NATO to the fore of political discussion. Russia has threatened Sweden and Finland over NATO membership repeatedly since the invasion began. 'At this time, on the Swedish island Gotland, Russian military planes land, delivering S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, and Bastion coastal anti-ship systems,' said Colonel Korotchenko. In the video, a border area labelled the 'Suwalki gap' is shown - the gap between Belarus and Russia's Kaliningrad exclave, a leftover territory annexed from Germany after the Second World War. Colonel Korotchenko explained how Russia would push up from Kaliningrad towards the Suwalki corridor separating Poland and Lithuania, blocking NATO reinforcements from the West. 'The astonished West and Nato will know that Russia declares a no-fly zone of 400km,' added the enthused Colonel. The entire Baltic Sea would then by open to Russian forces, he said on live TV. The scenario ends with the new Baltic states governments pledging allegiance to Moscow while Sweden agrees to perpetual neutrality and a 99-year lease on Gotland. More And this BS is why we can only sit this out for so long. On state run TV they are literally showing plans to conquer all of Eastern Europe. This doesn't end with Ukraine. Someone has to call their bluff eventually. I'd rather it be sooner than later and after how many tens of thousands or more Ukrainians have to die. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:26:47 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Probably a couple of things driving this. 1. The world is willing to react harder against authoritarians like Putin (and Xi) than they anticipated, so they're putting on some window dressing and probably re-evaluating the situation with Taiwan. 2. Ukraine is kind of pissed at the West for not doing more to help them. Xi may detect an opportunity to bring Ukraine out of this as a Chinese ally instead of Western ally. It just might work too. China is playing a chess game. Rebuild Ukraine after this is over and now you own another country. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:26:50 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyMattel: Because drilling for oil takes both lotsa $$$ and labor plus time? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyMattel: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Exactly. Why aren't we pumping the hell out of oil, bring the price down and make russia suffer even more? Oil gets back to 55 bucks a barrel, and russia doesn't make shit off of it. They lose money on black market discounted sales. I miss having a non pussy in the white house. Because drilling for oil takes both lotsa $$$ and labor plus time? |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:26:50 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M-1975: The world is already facing famine if this war doesn't wrap up in a couple of weeks. We're insulated but the cost of food will spike even more, and at least we can hope someone has the sense to push for removing the limits on shale extraction here in the US if gas prices get to $10. I marked every house in my neighborhood that put out a Biden sign or a Burn Loot and Murder sign last year as a likely food source in the event of disaster. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:26:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: martin248]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesP81: Probably a couple of things driving this. 1. The world is willing to react harder against authoritarians like Putin (and Xi) than they anticipated, so they're putting on some window dressing and probably re-evaluating the situation with Taiwan. 2. Ukraine is kind of pissed at the West for not doing more to help them. Xi may detect an opportunity to bring Ukraine out of this as a Chinese ally instead of Western ally. It just might work too. Chinese strategy for the last four thousand years has been to incite conflict between adversaries to weaken them, and then make both sides dependent on China. Their goal was always weak vassal states on their borders. That's what Russia is becoming here: a weak Chinese vassal. They would be happy to add Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 12:27:13 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: That's a given. The Chinese do not want to be on the receiving end of any sanctions, their economy is not very stable right now. There was also an intelligence leak disclosing that the Chinese were planning a Taiwan invasion for later this year, apparently that idea has since been scrapped. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PurpleOtter: Originally Posted By JamesP81: Probably a couple of things driving this. 1. The world is willing to react harder against authoritarians like Putin (and Xi) than they anticipated, so they're putting on some window dressing and probably re-evaluating the situation with Taiwan. 2. Ukraine is kind of pissed at the West for not doing more to help them. Xi may detect an opportunity to bring Ukraine out of this as a Chinese ally instead of Western ally. It just might work too. 
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