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Posted: 8/25/2023 6:33:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NE223: As for Vivek, anyone who thinks they can negotiate with the Russians and get an agreement that's worth anything more than toilet paper is completely clueless about the history of such arrangements. That to me speaks volumes about the guy, he has no idea what he's doing. Ditto for his proposals on China and Taiwan. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 6:33:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Putin VV about Prigogine EV. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/IMG_3586-2931883.jpg https://t.me/rsotmdivision/10284 Is there a translation? |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 6:34:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: The only way to win in Africa is not to play. China is beginning to learn this as the Belt and Road loans go sour. China has no reason to get repaid. Shit their goal is to NOT get repaid. Then Take the ports. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 6:36:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Migratory animals to boot.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Wild animals aren't allowed to cross the border, wtf ? Migratory animals to boot. And they have to pay for everyone that crosses. It's like the Mafia shaking people down for bullshit. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 6:36:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Is there a translation? That’s the video where Putin talks about Prigozhin and how he made “serious mistakes”. It’s been on CNN. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 6:44:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: governmentman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By notarandomname: China has no reason to get repaid. Shit their goal is to NOT get repaid. Then Take the ports. Belt and Road wasn't even about the ports, or at least not primarily. China has had two growth engines, exports and internal infrastructure construction. They've maxed out the latter domestically, to the point of overbuilding. Belt and Road was to give Chinese companies new markets to build infrastructure, and keep that growth engine going. Cell networks by Huawei, railroads by CREC and CRCC, power projects by PowerChina. But they're running into shit hole countries doing shit hole things. More and more projects are being suspended or cancelled due to corruption, overruns, and local opposition, and loan non-payment. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 6:57:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thanosnap]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Why does the west keep treating Russia as if it is a legitimate nation? Well we can go back to the Clinton/Yeltsin years:  Then Bush looked into his eyes:  Clinton tried the reset button:  Then we all know Trump tried to be friends. And we've got Russia hawks too, but we've genuinely tried throughout multiple administrations. Ultimately it failed. So the question is why try? Well Daniel Fried, former assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, answers it here:  The Putin Files: Daniel Fried "So it was actually a complicated policy, a mixed one. And it was wrong. But, you know, if Bush hadn’t done it, and if Clinton hadn’t done it, you would ask me the legitimate question, “Well, why didn’t you even try?,” to which I would have no answer. So I'm glad we tried. The failure is principally a failure of Russia to take advantage of the opportunities Clinton and Bush opened up to it." -Fried |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 6:59:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: So Vivek’s policy would be Give Russia everything it wants and hope for the best? He is either an idiot or compromised to Russia. Glad he got soundly ridiculed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By kpacman: Originally Posted By RockNwood: I don’t follow much of the R churn yet but saw this video exchange and was impressed that the crowd seemed to be cheering strongly for Haley’s points about Putin and Ukraine aid. Feel free to correct my impression if you follow this more than I.
I thought Nikki did a great job exposing Vivek's lack of international knowledge. Nikki was UN ambassador, so she just ran circles around Vivek, especially regarding the Ukraine issue. Vivek's proposal is to freeze the lines as they are. Allow Russia to keep the territory they have seized in return for a pledge to cease all hostilities. This also comes with a promise to Russia that Ukraine WON'T be allowed to join NATO. WTF? So Vivek’s policy would be Give Russia everything it wants and hope for the best? He is either an idiot or compromised to Russia. Glad he got soundly ridiculed. He is like many people sheltered in the west. He’s mostly ignorant….and that’s not trying to mock him. He’s just ill informed whether on purpose or accident. He’s ignorant. Lots of the people here in GD are similar thinking it’s a USA, Russia, Ukraine war with the US “using” the silly, corrupt Ukrainians to do their bidding. They never look a the rest of all eastern Europe and their attitudes toward Russia. These other countries (Poland, CZ, Romanian, Baltics, Nordic, etc truly know the evil of Russia and what they have done. Give proportionally MUCH more than the US (put their money where their mouth is) and have MUCH higher public support to stopping Russia. These aren’t lukewarm middle men that don’t care or blame the USA. We’ve had some generations of Americans that look at the foolish politics of today and the dumb, woke culture the left puts on us and think this country is worthless or deserving of fading for having that occur. The are foolish and don’t realize we are the best country in the world (and needs everyone’s help fighting to help keep it that way). |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 7:01:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NE223: As for Vivek, anyone who thinks they can negotiate with the Russians and get an agreement that's worth anything more than toilet paper is completely clueless about the history of such arrangements. That to me speaks volumes about the guy, he has no idea what he's doing. Ditto for his proposals on China and Taiwan. Absolutely. Anybody with delusions of treating Russia as a trustworthy partner need only look at Prigo's flaming private jet after he cut a deal with Putin. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 7:15:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: He is like many people sheltered in the west. He's mostly ignorant .and that's not trying to mock him. He's just ill informed whether on purpose or accident. He's ignorant. Lots of the people here in GD are similar thinking it's a USA, Russia, Ukraine war with the US "using" the silly, corrupt Ukrainians to do their bidding. They never look a the rest of all eastern Europe and their attitudes toward Russia. These other countries (Poland, CZ, Romanian, Baltics, Nordic, etc truly know the evil of Russia and what they have done. Give proportionally MUCH more than the US (put their money where their mouth is) and have MUCH higher public support to stopping Russia. These aren't lukewarm middle men that don't care or blame the USA. We've had some generations of Americans that look at the foolish politics of today and the dumb, woke culture the left puts on us and think this country is worthless or deserving of fading for having that occur. The are foolish and don't realize we are the best country in the world (and needs everyone's help fighting to help keep it that way). |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 7:15:46 PM EDT
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The stakes are already clear: all Russian supply lines, including railroads, are at stake. This means one thing: the Russian army is on the verge of losing its strategic positions. Therefore, we can predict a doubling of calls for negotiations in the near future (to immediately stop the supply of weapons) and twice as many attempts to demoralize #Ukraine by third parties to make Ukrainians lose faith in their abilities. Meanwhile... the Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to regain what belongs to them. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 7:28:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thanosnap]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: I’m pretty sure the world doesn’t need Russia. Let’s find out! Frederick Kagan of the ISW would agree. Now, Kagan is an interesting character. He's got a PhD in Russian and Soviet military history from Yale and he taught at West Point. His wife Kimberly is also a military history professor and the two together advised Petraeus on the surge. His dad was a military history professor at Cornell and came from Lithuania. And his brother is a diplomat who is married to Victoria Nuland. So he's well connected, and he's a Russia hawk. He says that they have continued to be antagonistic despite multiple administrations trying a reset. He says now, after the war and after all this has happened things will not go back to normal where everybody just forgives and forgets, everybody goes back to normal trade and so on. There's too much bad blood. He says that Putinism (his ideology) will survive Putin and they will never give up on the idea of taking Ukraine or the West as their enemy. So we need a strategy for cutting Russia out of the world economy and the international community.  Frederick Kagan on Ukraine: Where Things Stand—and the Stakes for the Future Thomas Graham, director of Russian policy during the Bush years is much more dovish. He now teaches Russia and Eurasian Affair at Yale. It's funny how all these Yale folk get into government. He says we need to support Ukraine but be careful not to push Russia too far away from Europe and the West, because Russia is still a large country spanning 14 time zones with tons of natural resources and a nuclear arsenal and you want to eventually bridge relations. They're not going to break up again because the country is 80% ethnically Russian now (except for the North Caucasus which they may lose) and isolating them too much would not be good:  Keynote Address: Thinking about Russia Strategically | Thomas Graham So you can imagine President Biden gets to sit at a table and listen to the hawks argue with the doves. And Biden has his own history with Russia being on the Senate Foreign Relations counsel for many years, and he was Obama's point guy on Russia since Putin didn't seem to want to work with a black President or the Secretary of State Bill Clinton's wife (her husband never liked him.) This was from when Biden was a spry looking youngster in 2011: 
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Posted: 8/25/2023 7:36:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: That is a great thread. Non X link: https://t.co/LA380uj5GK I suspect it has turned for the worse now. Lukashenko offered asylum to Wagner and bragged about using post-mutiny Wagner to train Belarusian army. Since the special “gift basket” he has been backpedaling hard. He seems scared. I give him less than a month before Putin gets around to cleaning him up. At this rate, we may live to see all the former republics face off with Moscow. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 7:37:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: I thought Nikki did a great job exposing Vivek's lack of international knowledge. Nikki was UN ambassador, so she just ran circles around Vivek, especially regarding the Ukraine issue. Vivek's proposal is to freeze the lines as they are. Allow Russia to keep the territory they have seized in return for a pledge to cease all hostilities. This also comes with a promise to Russia that Ukraine WON'T be allowed to join NATO. WTF? So you are saying Neville Chamberlain would call him a pussy? |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 7:47:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2023 7:58:19 PM EDT
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 Russian assault goes horribly wrong as Ukraine troops ambush enemy soldiers |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:09:06 PM EDT
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 He was featured in multiple interviews over the past year and explained how the air war was being conducted. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/inside-ukraines-desperate-fight-against-drones-with-mig-29-pilot-juice  |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:12:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:17:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4Z0853XsAAAl2f?format=jpg&name=900x900 He was featured in multiple interviews over the past year and explained how the air war was being conducted. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/inside-ukraines-desperate-fight-against-drones-with-mig-29-pilot-juice https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/12/12/IMG_1644-scaled.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 RIP,
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:19:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Migratory animals to boot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By Swampgrass: Wild animals aren't allowed to cross the border, wtf ? Migratory animals to boot. If they knuckle under and pay for wandering reindeer maybe Putin can get them to pay for geese, starlings, and voles. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:23:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4Z0853XsAAAl2f?format=jpg&name=900x900 He was featured in multiple interviews over the past year and explained how the air war was being conducted. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/inside-ukraines-desperate-fight-against-drones-with-mig-29-pilot-juice https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/12/12/IMG_1644-scaled.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 That sucks |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:24:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4Z0853XsAAAl2f?format=jpg&name=900x900 He was featured in multiple interviews over the past year and explained how the air war was being conducted. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/inside-ukraines-desperate-fight-against-drones-with-mig-29-pilot-juice https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/12/12/IMG_1644-scaled.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 Damn. RIP I'll always remember a very poignant quote from a WW1 fighter pilot. "You fight alone, and you die alone" |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:24:44 PM EDT
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 Carl Gustaf: Recoilless Rifle | Anti-Tank Chats |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:29:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Damn. RIP I'll always remember a very poignant quote from a WW1 fighter pilot. "You fight alone, and you die alone" "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart." Manfred von Richthofen |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:33:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By notarandomname: China has no reason to get repaid. Shit their goal is to NOT get repaid. Then Take the ports. And the electric grid. And the gas lines. And the mines. And everything. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:36:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: And the electric grid. And the gas lines. And the mines. And everything. Yup, and they fell for it 
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:37:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Belt and Road wasn't even about the ports, or at least not primarily. China has had two growth engines, exports and internal infrastructure construction. They've maxed out the latter domestically, to the point of overbuilding. Belt and Road was to give Chinese companies new markets to build infrastructure, and keep that growth engine going. Cell networks by Huawei, railroads by CREC and CRCC, power projects by PowerChina. But they're running into shit hole countries doing shit hole things. More and more projects are being suspended or cancelled due to corruption, overruns, and local opposition, and loan non-payment. And with africa being like it is, if the shithole country combined with chinese victimization causes life to suck for the locals, they will all get together in a huge group and go explain it to the chinese. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:46:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pants223: I love how "BOOM Motherfucker!" is universal BADA BOOM Mother Mother FUCKER ! LMAO. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:48:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: And the electric grid. And the gas lines. And the mines. And everything. Kinda like the world bank and IMF?
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:50:38 PM EDT
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ISW assessment for August 25th.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-25-2023 |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 8:59:23 PM EDT
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It would be amazing if Ukraine kicked Russia out of Crimea.
That would undo sooo much bullshit |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:02:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4Z0853XsAAAl2f?format=jpg&name=900x900 He was featured in multiple interviews over the past year and explained how the air war was being conducted. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/inside-ukraines-desperate-fight-against-drones-with-mig-29-pilot-juice https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/12/12/IMG_1644-scaled.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:05:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: governmentman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bologna: Yup, and they fell for it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bologna: Originally Posted By stone-age: And the electric grid. And the gas lines. And the mines. And everything. Yup, and they fell for it Derailing the thread here quite a bit, so I apologize in advance. In my mind China is the bigger sucker. They can't force control and ownership of the port unless the shit hole country allows it. China's starting to realize you can't polish a turd, and Belt and Road spending is way down. I see this as a possibility: President of Shitgeria: sorry we can't pay you, we default. China: ok, port is now mine. President of Shitgeria: we need that port, I'm declaring a national emergency and nationalizing it. China: wait, what? You can't do that! President of Shitgeria: sure, just ask my brother, our chief justice. Chief Justice of Shitgeria: sure fuckers, it's ours. China: fuuuuuuu ---------- The only possibility I see is if China forms its own Wagner equivalent. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:17:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: That sucks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4Z0853XsAAAl2f?format=jpg&name=900x900 He was featured in multiple interviews over the past year and explained how the air war was being conducted. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/inside-ukraines-desperate-fight-against-drones-with-mig-29-pilot-juice https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/12/12/IMG_1644-scaled.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 That sucks Man, it does. A long time went by without hearing about him, then when he came to DC, I was surprised he was still alive. But yeah, still sucks. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:20:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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This is the full video that at least three other short videos are taken from.
Robotine. The SSO groups of Ukraine were among the first to defeat the enemy on the approaches to this settlement. This took place in extremely difficult conditions: the constant work of Russian artillery, the sky teeming with enemy drones, extremely close shooting contact with the enemy, who tried in any way to hold the area occupied by him. This video shows only a small fragment of the work of our soldiers, who were supposed to destroy the enemy and squeeze them out of their positions. https://t.me/ukr_sof/710 Repost https://t.me/Pravda_Gerashchenko/78068 |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:22:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: thanosnap]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Zekensky met with the Serbian leader and that guy released a statement that they support Ukraines territorial integrity because they want Serbia’s to also be respected. I have no idea what Serbia’s concerns are but for whatever reason they align with Ukraine. Strange world. We have Serbia who is aligned with Russia supporting Ukraine’s territory while Hungary being in NATO does not. The breakup of Yugoslavia into Serbia, Kosova, Bosnia etc is a lot like the breakup of the USSR, and Yugoslavia are slavs like the Ukrainians and Russians obviously. These were tensions that had been frozen over the Soviet period. Europeans didn't want war on their continent. The Russians did not like the breakup because it reminded them of their breakup, nor did they like the bombing campaign NATO did to end the war and the oppression of the Kosovars by the Milosevic led Serbs, so there could UN peacekeepers on the ground. So now the Russians say "hey, NATO is not defensive, they bombed slavs in Serbia." Pretty sure Gorbachev (no longer having a job after the dissolution of the USSR) did a drunken rant afterwards too about how they will be back.  Later Libya would have a brutal civil war during the Arab Spring and NATO would bomb the Libyan army to end the civil war. Russia signed off on it in the UN but didn't think dictator Ghaddafi would be deposed; they thought it would just end the war. Once Ghadaffi was gone (killed by his own people) they were fuming. It was initially going to be 19 countries not acting as NATO but they couldn't agree on who would lead the attack so they resorted to NATO command. Of course, then Russia would say "See, NATO is not defensive. They take out dictators." Those are the only 2 offensive actions NATO has taken, other than the article 5 invoked after the 9-11 attacks. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:29:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Derailing the thread here quite a bit, so I apologize in advance. In my mind China is the bigger sucker. They can't force control and ownership of the port unless the shit hole country allows it. China's starting to realize you can't polish a turd, and Belt and Road spending is way down. I see this as a possibility: President of Shitgeria: sorry we can't pay you, we default. China: ok, port is now mine. President of Shitgeria: we need that port, I'm declaring a national emergency and nationalizing it. China: wait, what? You can't do that! President of Shitgeria: sure, just ask my brother, our chief justice. Chief Justice of Shitgeria: sure fuckers, it's ours. China: fuuuuuuu ---------- The only possibility I see is if China forms its own Wagner equivalent. Yes, exactly that. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:39:36 PM EDT
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❗️ATESH agents from various Russian units on the front line constantly report to us about the state of affairs at the front and within the units
Zaporozhye direction remains one of the hottest spots. This provokes a decrease in morale in the units. So, on 20.08 the fighters of one of the companies of the 247th Airborne Assault Regiment refused to carry out a combat order to storm the enemy positions in the area of the settlement. Staromayorskoe. Subsequently, the company commander was detained and taken to Mariupol. Also, the 177th Marine Regiment, which is stationed near the settlement. Verbovoye left their positions after several small shellings. In the case of desertion, a criminal case was initiated. The situation in the Kherson direction is somewhat simpler. But the constant shelling and fatigue of Russian units (which sit for half a year or more without rotation) lead to civil strife. 18.08 at one of the positions between n.p. Rybalche and Vinogradnoe soldiers of the 61st separate marine brigades exchanged fire with each other. Result: 1 dead, 2 injured. The war must be stopped! If you are a military officer of the Russian Federation, you can contribute to this. Do sabotage and sabotage in your units like other agents of the ATESH movement in the ranks of the armed forces of the Russian Federation! Write to us at @atesh_fire - do your part to end this war! https://t.me/atesh_ua/1585 🏥 Hospitals in Sevastopol are overflowing with wounded soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces ATESH sources from the military hospital report that the medical facility is overcrowded with wounded invaders. (Address: hospital descent, 1). There are no places to place them in the wards, which forces the staff to place them in the corridors and even in the dining room. There are no medical personnel for such a number of 300 either. Because of this, the occupiers are recruiting old people who have long since retired. It is reported that the wounded soldiers are delivered by train. There are so many of them that during unloading, stretchers with 300 people fill the entire platform. The spectacle is indescribable... But they chose their own fate. Send information to us at @atesh_fire https://t.me/atesh_ua/1589 ⚡️"ATESH" about the situation in the Zaporozhye direction Our sources in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation report problems on the Zaporozhye sector of the front. In the direction of the main blow of the Ukrainian breakthrough to the south of the settlement. Robotino Russians are on the verge of retreat. 1441 motorized rifle regiment suffered irreparable losses in 75% of the entire unit. The situation is no better for the 71st motorized rifle regiment of the 42nd motorized rifle division. Reserves running out. In Tokmak, as a result of a number of hits on command posts, the command of the armed forces of the Russian Federation decided to move them deep into the occupied territories. They don't seem to believe in holding Tokmak, despite the organized all-round defense around the city. The front has staggered and soon we will witness historic victories! Become an agent of "ATESH" - make your contribution to the victory! @atesh_fire https://t.me/atesh_ua/1599 |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:47:38 PM EDT
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Yesterday.
 Another plane linked to Prigozhin is flying to Azerbaijan right now Right now the business jet Embraer ERJ-135BJ "Legacy 650" with reg. number RA-02748 is sent to Baku. The plane took off at 15:24 from Moscow's Vnukovo airport and headed south. It is known that this business jet is also associated with the structures of Yevgeny Prigozhin. However, unlike others, he never flew to Belarus. https://t.me/Hajun_BY/7279 |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:49:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Gooch: Vivek has a bad case of Dunning-Kruger. Yes, a very bad case. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:53:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: It has devolved to that at this point. You have to be incredibly blind to Russian objectives and means, and incredibly obstinate to cling to the “not a penny for Ukraine” platform. And shamefully ignorant of how Reagan man handled the Soviets. I don't want to dump on the isolationists that much. Putinbros, sure, and there are most definitely some in GD. There are isolationists who have a different cost/benefit calculus. They aren't blind, they just have different values and assessments. They have a point in talking about how fouled up things are in this country. But that's a separate problem. Saying "we won't address any other problems until we get America back on track" is short-sighted and risks taking bigger losses down the road. Especially when there isn't anything on the table to fix our own problems. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:53:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Absolutely. Anybody with delusions of treating Russia as a trustworthy partner need only look at Prigo's flaming private jet after he cut a deal with Putin. Well said. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:54:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: He is like many people sheltered in the west. He’s mostly ignorant….and that’s not trying to mock him. He’s just ill informed whether on purpose or accident. He’s ignorant. Lots of the people here in GD are similar thinking it’s a USA, Russia, Ukraine war with the US “using” the silly, corrupt Ukrainians to do their bidding. They never look a the rest of all eastern Europe and their attitudes toward Russia. These other countries (Poland, CZ, Romanian, Baltics, Nordic, etc truly know the evil of Russia and what they have done. Give proportionally MUCH more than the US (put their money where their mouth is) and have MUCH higher public support to stopping Russia. These aren’t lukewarm middle men that don’t care or blame the USA. We’ve had some generations of Americans that look at the foolish politics of today and the dumb, woke culture the left puts on us and think this country is worthless or deserving of fading for having that occur. The are foolish and don’t realize we are the best country in the world (and needs everyone’s help fighting to help keep it that way). I will add that I suspect his immigrant parents influenced him also. Coming from "old" India, they are likely anti-colonialists and assumed Great nations like England and the USA get involved in foreign countries out of colonialist aspirations. The obvious remedy for colonialism is isolationism. Vivek was very likely influence by his parents in the same way my parents influenced me about communism. Except my parents were right... |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 9:56:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dagger41: It would be amazing if Ukraine kicked Russia out of Crimea. That would undo sooo much bullshit Revolts would probably happen inside Russia and it would collapse as we know it … IMHO |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 10:02:07 PM EDT
[#45]
Belarusian tour of Prigozhin 2023: Chronology of arrivals of PMC business jets to Belarus. Part 1.
In 2023, “Belarusian Gayun” recorded at least 9 private flights associated with Wagner PMC to Belarus. Prigozhin's main plane, an Embraer Legacy 600 (RA-02795), which crashed on the evening of August 23, and several other planes associated with Prigozhin and his PMCs, repeatedly flew to our country. We decided to analyze and tell you when and which planes of Prigozhin flew to Belarus, and at the same time show how Prigozhin and co. worked in our country. ✈ Prigozhin's main board RA-02795 (Embraer Legacy 600). ⚫️27.06.2023 arrived from Rostov to Machulishchi at 07:40. Stayed 15 hours and flew to St. Petersburg at 22:39; On that day, a non-public meeting between Prigozhin and Lukashenka took place in a residence on the Minsk Sea. ⚫️07/01/2023 flew from St. Petersburg to Machulishchi at 08:53 for 8 hours and flew to St. Petersburg at 16:36; ⚫️ On July 11, 2023, I flew from Sheremetyevo to Machulishchi at 19:36 for 21 hours and flew to St. Petersburg at 16:52 on 12.07. Recall that during this visit, Prigozhin spent the night in the Wagner PMC camp in the village of Tsel, and later a photo of him in his shorts appeared. ⚫️ 07/18/2023 flew from St. Petersburg to Machulishchi at 11:05 and 13 hours later (at 00:14) flew to Sheremetyevo. This visit was also remarkable, since then he spoke to the mercenaries in a tent camp, and later a video of Prigozhin's speech appeared. In addition, the next day, on July 19, Concord Management and Consulting LLC was registered in Belarus, with Yevgeny Prigozhin listed as its head, and “real estate management” was chosen as the activity. And yes, that visit was also the last flight of the aircraft before destruction, since until August 23, the plane stood motionless at Sheremetyevo. Next, we will tell you when other planes associated with Wagner PMC flew to Belarus. We tell you more here https://t.me/Hajun_BY/7286 Belarusian tour of Prigozhin 2023: Chronology of arrivals of PMC business jets to Belarus. Part 2. The first part is available here ✈ BAe 125-800B (RA-02878): And with this board, it is noteworthy that he always flew to Belarus on the same route - Peter-Machulishchi-Peter. ⚫️ 06/27/2023 arrived at Machulishchi from St. Petersburg at 07:58, and 15 hours later, at 22:42, flew back to St. Petersburg; Then the plane flew along with the main board of Prigozhin, and according to our data, a non-public meeting between Prigozhin and Lukashenka took place that day at a residence on the Minsk Sea, and the passengers of this board are also related to that meeting. ⚫️ 07/29/2023 arrived at 7:55 to Machulishchi from St. Petersburg, stayed 12 hours 30 minutes and flew back at 20:25; ⚫️08/03/2023 arrived at Machulishchi at 08:55 and after 33 hours 20 minutes flew back at 18:18. Interestingly, while the aircraft was in Belarus, on August 4, 2023, Wagner Group LLC was registered to provide educational services. ✈ Beech C90GTi King Air (RA-07893) flew to Belarus only once - 08/03/2023 from Sheremetyevo to Machulishchi at 09:20, stayed 5 hours 20 minutes and flew to St. Petersburg at 14:41. In addition, before the events that became known as the “mutiny”, in 2023, another plane related to PMCs flew to Belarus once, and it is the last one on our list. ✈ BAe 125-800B (RA-02731) arrived at Minsk National Airport on 02/23/2023 from Vnukovo at 11:34. I stayed for 2 days and on February 24, 2023 I flew to Vnukovo at 21:30. We also have data on the arrivals of this aircraft to Belarus in 2021-2022. We tell you more here https://t.me/Hajun_BY/7287 |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 10:06:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: So Vivek’s policy would be Give Russia everything it wants and hope for the best? He is either an idiot or compromised to Russia. Glad he got soundly ridiculed. Off-topic: he's an idiot on foreign policy, complete and total idiot. He also said China needs to wait until 2028 to invade Taiwan so we can catch up on semiconductor manufacturing, then they can have it. Not even exaggerating. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 10:14:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4Z0853XsAAAl2f?format=jpg&name=900x900 He was featured in multiple interviews over the past year and explained how the air war was being conducted. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/inside-ukraines-desperate-fight-against-drones-with-mig-29-pilot-juice https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/12/12/IMG_1644-scaled.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 Fuck. Anyone know any details of what happened? |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 10:16:04 PM EDT
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[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I will add that I suspect his immigrant parents influenced him also. Coming from "old" India, they are likely anti-colonialists and assumed Great nations like England and the USA get involved in foreign countries out of colonialist aspirations. The obvious remedy for colonialism is isolationism. Vivek was very likely influence by his parents in the same way my parents influenced me about communism. Except my parents were right... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By kncook: He is like many people sheltered in the west. He’s mostly ignorant….and that’s not trying to mock him. He’s just ill informed whether on purpose or accident. He’s ignorant. Lots of the people here in GD are similar thinking it’s a USA, Russia, Ukraine war with the US “using” the silly, corrupt Ukrainians to do their bidding. They never look a the rest of all eastern Europe and their attitudes toward Russia. These other countries (Poland, CZ, Romanian, Baltics, Nordic, etc truly know the evil of Russia and what they have done. Give proportionally MUCH more than the US (put their money where their mouth is) and have MUCH higher public support to stopping Russia. These aren’t lukewarm middle men that don’t care or blame the USA. We’ve had some generations of Americans that look at the foolish politics of today and the dumb, woke culture the left puts on us and think this country is worthless or deserving of fading for having that occur. The are foolish and don’t realize we are the best country in the world (and needs everyone’s help fighting to help keep it that way). I will add that I suspect his immigrant parents influenced him also. Coming from "old" India, they are likely anti-colonialists and assumed Great nations like England and the USA get involved in foreign countries out of colonialist aspirations. The obvious remedy for colonialism is isolationism. Vivek was very likely influence by his parents in the same way my parents influenced me about communism. Except my parents were right... Another parallel with Obama and his Mau-Mau granddaddy. Vavak Obamaramaswamy. |
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Posted: 8/25/2023 10:17:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2023 10:27:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Fuck. Anyone know any details of what happened? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4Z0853XsAAAl2f?format=jpg&name=900x900 He was featured in multiple interviews over the past year and explained how the air war was being conducted. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/inside-ukraines-desperate-fight-against-drones-with-mig-29-pilot-juice https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/12/12/IMG_1644-scaled.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920 Fuck. Anyone know any details of what happened? I’m trying to get caught up on Telegram, I’ll post if I find it. Russian TG  Yesterday, two Ukrainian MiG-29 fighters collided in the sky over the Zhytomyr region, local media reported about this, almost immediately deleting the news about the incident. At a minimum, there are dead among the crews of the Vinischuvach, this is confirmed on social networks. One of the pilots who arrived was a well-known Twitter pilot under the nickname Juice_Fighter, who was waiting for his turn on the F-16. Military Informant https://t.me/milinfolive/105585 |
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