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Posted: 8/4/2023 4:52:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_2592-2907841.jpg Muscovia? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 4:58:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: It's not only an attack on a military target, it's a demonstration that if Russia actually tries a hard blockade then Ukrainian will institute commerce war as well. Russia has been successful thus far threatening damage against civilian shipping without actually having to do it. Ukraine can now do likewise and Russia can't afford to have freight to Rostov and Novorossiysk interrupted. This is bigger news than it looks like. Not a Navy guy but I certainly wouldn't expect Merchant ships to have the hull thickness and number sealable internal compartments that a warship has. You would expect a blast big enough have that warship listing the way it was would put a merchant ship on the bottom, would you not? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 4:58:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bakelite47: I suggested that maybe the pro Russian parts of Ukraine aren't worth fighting or dying for. But that's Ukrainians decision to make, and we should let them decide. In the meantime we should give them long range missiles and lots of armor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bakelite47: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Bakelite47: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Bakelite47: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By Bakelite47: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Bakelite47: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By Bakelite47: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By Bakelite47: They're losing tons of bright men in the trenches, women are leaving as refugees, their shit is getting bombed constantly. They could have peace tomorrow, but they would have to give up land. Which they are not willing to do. Imo they would be better off without the pro Russian parts of Ukraine, but it's not my country. Which “pro-Russian” parts of Ukraine are you talking about? Be specific please. No, they could NOT have peace tomorrow if they give up land. Ukraine has no right to exist independent of Russia, have you read NOTHING of what Russia has been saying? Here's the vote for independence in 1991: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Ukraine_LeftAffixedMaps_3.png Since 2022, the "pro-Russian" people in Ukraine have been turning their backs on Russia, making every effort not to speak the language of the "invader," taking Russian-language books to be made into toilet paper. The "separatist" movement in Donbas was 100% initiated by FSB, an FSB leader stated on video that he had to force the local councils to support independence from Ukraine. There are no "pro-Russian" parts of Ukraine anymore, if there ever were. All the pro-independence people are getting literally killed in a war that Putin started for Putin's benefit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_parliamentary_election https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%B2_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D1%96_2019_%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%83_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8.svg/1280px-%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B7%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B2_%D0%B2_%D0%A3%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%97%D0%BD%D1%96_2019_%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%83_%D0%B7%D0%B0_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8.svg.png The parts that voted for a pro Russian party? There are 2 million Ukrainian refugees who chose to live in Russia rather than in Europe. Maybe some of them? The soldiers who have been fighting against the central government for the past 10 years? I'll make it simple: do you think people in northern Ireland want to be part of Ireland, or the UK? Anyway, fuck Putin for starting this mess. Any poll or other means of gathering support data AFTER areas have been occupied is invalid. People were being held at gun point to vote. Go back to the 1991 polling shown earlier. That is as close as it would ever get, coming freshly out from under the USSR. The fact Little Green Men (Wagner and Spetsnaz) were necessary demonstrate there was not popular support for Russia so they infiltrated some. I don’t know why you are determined to show some oblasts really really wanted to be Russian. That is a lie. A straight up Russian narrative unhinged from reality. Those are voting results from Ukrainian controlled territories. Yes all of Ukraine when it was controlled by Ukraine. You don’t count results after an army has invaded and occupied! What is your point? The eastern most parts of Ukraine voted majority for a pro Russian party. I don't see how this is any different than northern Ireland in this regard. Hold up... you are saying Ukraine does not have the right to its sovereign borders since 1991 because of some pro-russians?  that would be like all the millions of illegals in texas "voting" for texas to become a part of mexico.. I never said that. I guess I’m confused by your comments then, can you explain what you mean about the territories inside Ukraine that have Russian speakers (who were illegally relocated there prior to and after 2014) that held illegal referendum votes? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_parliamentary_election It's a map of the 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election. It has nothing to do with any referendum. It shows a few areas in the far east voting for a pro Russian party. Also Russian speaking doesn't play a role in anything. Every refugee I've seen and met has been speaking Russian. And what about it that you are trying to convey here I suggested that maybe the pro Russian parts of Ukraine aren't worth fighting or dying for. But that's Ukrainians decision to make, and we should let them decide. In the meantime we should give them long range missiles and lots of armor. Be nice if your country was willing to get with the times. Not blaming this on you. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:00:34 PM EDT
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Supplies to Crimea may be limited.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:06:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1687516943924809748
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2tDt84XUA8j1rC?format=jpg&name=small Passive IR seeker that is more advanced, and images the target, and can reject countermeasures. https://www.ausairpower.net/ADF/000-ASRAAM-4A.jpg How am I supposed to pronounce, "ASRAAM"? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:06:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Based mofo! Genius. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By JSteensen: Originally Posted By Easterner: Due to an incident, considering this.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NP8y63Ms4oAs I said before, this is basically a boot camp refresher with a concentration on training. The problem is some of these guys think that this is some sort of vacation. So unfortunately they have to be reminded quickly to get their shit together and not fuck around with being little asses. In no way is this a power trip on them. We all discussed how to handle getting them in check, and if that doesn't work, they go home. Half the squad was beyond words pissed. The other half laughed, and understood where I was coming from. The entire squad tightened their shit up and did what they were supposed to do. One soldier carried that binky with him until he ETS'd.  Based mofo! Genius. Thanks. I think the Barney print on them was the best touch. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:07:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Drone bombing a T-90 while it runs away after the drone found the drift offset from the first bomb.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:08:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:11:57 PM EDT
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Now.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:12:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QUACK32: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By QUACK32: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Drone bombing a T-90 while it runs away after the drone found the drift offset from the first bomb.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:13:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m00ler03:
I'm seeing some twitter chatter about this as well. Nothing confirmed yet.  Twitter Link
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:14:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: How am I supposed to pronounce, "ASRAAM"? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1687516943924809748
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2tDt84XUA8j1rC?format=jpg&name=small Passive IR seeker that is more advanced, and images the target, and can reject countermeasures. https://www.ausairpower.net/ADF/000-ASRAAM-4A.jpg How am I supposed to pronounce, "ASRAAM"? lol, everyone laughs when I say it.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:15:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LurkerII]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Helluva shot on a moving target. 
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:16:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:18:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: A: Dithering and cowardly leadership with escalation fear pee running down legs (pacifist anti-military administration trying to manage the war politically fearing that a decisive UA victory would upset the status quo). B: Malevolent and sinister plan to intentionally slow walk or withhold strategically critical equipment to force Ukraine to fight a grueling attrition war to weaken and slow-boil Russia. C: Giving just enough aid to keep Ukraine alive and totally dependent of the prospect of further aid so they STFU about Xiden and Burisma etc. for 2024 election. D: Deal between Xiden and Putin via back channel agreements on no NATO weapon use on Russian soil, (no ATACMC, F16's etc) agreeing that Russia can keep whatever they can hold militarily in exchange for no NBC use. Personally I think all A-D are in effect to some degree however primary a combo of C and D. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Bakelite47: Why are they in storage, and not being given to Ukraine? A: Dithering and cowardly leadership with escalation fear pee running down legs (pacifist anti-military administration trying to manage the war politically fearing that a decisive UA victory would upset the status quo). B: Malevolent and sinister plan to intentionally slow walk or withhold strategically critical equipment to force Ukraine to fight a grueling attrition war to weaken and slow-boil Russia. C: Giving just enough aid to keep Ukraine alive and totally dependent of the prospect of further aid so they STFU about Xiden and Burisma etc. for 2024 election. D: Deal between Xiden and Putin via back channel agreements on no NATO weapon use on Russian soil, (no ATACMC, F16's etc) agreeing that Russia can keep whatever they can hold militarily in exchange for no NBC use. Personally I think all A-D are in effect to some degree however primary a combo of C and D. I don’t think C) is malevolent, just ruthless. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Brits were the real authors of it. They are the kings of absolutely ruthless, cold-blooded strategic decision-making. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:21:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:26:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voyager3: Speaking of arbitrary borders. How defensible would the internationally recognized Ukrainian borders be if Ukraine manages to reclaim 100% of their territory? Is there a plan for what happens then if Russia still doesn't quit? The plan is most likely to divert Russia from Ukraine with more pressing issues, like economic problems, army mutinies, and the collapse of their power in various hinterlands. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:26:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: yekimak]
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:27:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2s9eLKXoA8qJOb?format=jpg&name=900x900 Good. A European nation taking a hard look at the situation and taking rational action. More. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1687516943924809748
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2tDt84XUA8j1rC?format=jpg&name=small Passive IR seeker that is more advanced, and images the target, and can reject countermeasures. https://www.ausairpower.net/ADF/000-ASRAAM-4A.jpg |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:30:44 PM EDT
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I hope they hit a fuel truck or more
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:32:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:32:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: Not getting sleep tonight. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66660/Screenshot_2023-08-04-17-27-49-766_jpg-2908348.JPG "... a fire started in the area of the Crimean bridge," Time to start partying!  Kerch Bridge On Fire Song |
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USA
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:33:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Gotta be one of the most massive mistakes of all time for Ukraine to give up its nukes and delivery systems. Bill Clinton, to his credit, actually apologized for his role in that in an interview. Downside is everyone now will have to get nukes. Honestly, that has been inevitable ever since the international broadcast of Gadaffi being rewarded for giving up his nukes. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:36:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: How am I supposed to pronounce, "ASRAAM"? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:37:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: "... a fire started in the area of the Crimean bridge," Time to start partying! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqKe_T3gbVoQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Auto5guy: Originally Posted By yekimak: Not getting sleep tonight. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66660/Screenshot_2023-08-04-17-27-49-766_jpg-2908348.JPG "... a fire started in the area of the Crimean bridge," Time to start partying! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqKe_T3gbVoRussian air defense right now:  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:37:36 PM EDT
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:38:48 PM EDT
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Before it gets lost in the bridge updates, I'm surprised those Soviet memorials weren't tore down a long time ago in some of those places honestly
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MO, USA
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:40:46 PM EDT
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Ukraine on time with the weekend entertainment
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:40:51 PM EDT
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Seen in Ukraine.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:43:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:45:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: Russian air defense right now: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66660/IMG_20230804_173610_684_jpg-2908362.JPG  |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:47:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: Russian air defense right now: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66660/IMG_20230804_173610_684_jpg-2908362.JPG The CIA needs to be backdoor sneaking Russians badass looking 3d printed lawn darts with directions saying if you all bunch up and throw them straight up in the air they will hover and protect against drones |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:48:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHoleSon: Before it gets lost in the bridge updates, I'm surprised those Soviet memorials weren't tore down a long time ago in some of those places honestly I'm not a fan of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It's not the fault of the soldiers who fought the Nazis that their descendants decided to be the new nazis. A good number of those soldiers were Ukrainians too. Same goes about using Nazi symbols: the fact that the Russians are the bad guys now doesn't mean the WW2 Germans suddenly become the good guys. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:49:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:49:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lightning_P38: As it reads, launched by a Supacat. The more modern variation is the ASNNDR launched by the Supadupacat. So the "Ass Ram" came before the "Ass Ender"? I just want to see a lower enlisted briefing an officer on all of this. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:50:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AZ_Mike]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: How am I supposed to pronounce, "ASRAAM"? I've heard "aze ram" to avoid the alternative.  |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:51:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:53:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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5 minutes ago.
https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1687581093975760896 In the Russian Federation, an explosion rang out at the Votkan factory, which produces "Iskanders". There are no casualties, the units are working normally per Russian media |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:56:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Wow. No confirmation yet.
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:57:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:58:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Wow. No confirmation yet.
Sinking stolen or Russian oil? |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:58:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Hehehe. Good. Good. Hope they succeed. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 5:59:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Wow. No confirmation yet. [/qu ote]That would be serious |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 6:01:36 PM EDT
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Twitter Link |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 6:01:47 PM EDT
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lol, uh oh.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 8/4/2023 6:01:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voyager3: I'm not a fan of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It's not the fault of the soldiers who fought the Nazis that their descendants decided to be the new nazis. A good number of those soldiers were Ukrainians too. Same goes about using Nazi symbols: the fact that the Russians are the bad guys now doesn't mean the WW2 Germans suddenly become the good guys. Oh I know that. I'm actually not for melting anything down..use it as a teaching tool and a reminder. It's just I thought a lot of those would have been moved based on the attitudes of those countries, especially after invasion. If Poland was a football player they would be the guy that goes out to midfield and spits on the home teams logo |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 6:05:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2rAQRDbkAAnnOL?format=png&name=small Their replacement series has only four planned ships, according to wikipedia. Two completed for the Northern Fleet and two planned for Pacific fleet. Their entire 775/M fleet looks to be in the Black Sea or under it. So... they basically have two whole landing ships in their Northern Fleet and a whopping Zero point Zero landing ships in the Pacific? Woof. They sure seem to have alot of confidence they're not going to need those landing ships literally anywhere else in the world any time soon. |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 6:06:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Wow. No confirmation yet.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2uAlQsXMAAbdRD?format=jpg&name=900x900  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/4/2023 6:08:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66660/IMG_20230804_180549_915_jpg-2908394.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yekimak: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Wow. No confirmation yet.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F2uAlQsXMAAbdRD?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66660/IMG_20230804_180549_915_jpg-2908394.JPG Video if true is going to be epic.
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