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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:51:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:56:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boedy: Isn't Moscow the other direction? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boedy: Originally Posted By RockNwood: It’s real, we have MSPaint proof!
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1633-2861681.jpg Isn't Moscow the other direction? There are two MoD power centers: Moscow and Rostov-on-Don. Rostov is THE main port for oil and most western exports and also military HQ for the invasion forces. An attack on Rostov makes those in the Kremlin pucker and start to lock down and surround themselves with the Russian Guard. They probably don’t want to wait until Prigozhin gathers most of the units in reserve and starts the march to Moscow.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:03:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:06:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1672406436507271169
⚡️BREAKING ⚡️ Just now, a Russian military helicopter opened fire on Wagner's column and was shot down by PMC calculations Wagner, — Prigozhin. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:06:52 PM EDT
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Is this Putin’s off ramp. Dump blame on the MoD, let wagner “save russia” from the MoD. Putin pulls out under the pretense that the MoD was corrupt.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:07:48 PM EDT
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Wish I understood Russian, all sorts of stuff on telegram right now.
People are scared, Wagner might be trying to get rostov. Rostov mayor called all police in, 40% of the responders showed up. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:08:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Easterner: Incoming. Lots of explosions out there. First time hearing this for the new guys. Welcome to Ukraine.  |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:08:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Two rifle rounds to the head at five feet puts a man in the morgue, not the hospital.  Good riddance to that motherfucker. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By RockNwood: He’s dead, Jim. I don’t believe the hospital bit. He died in that trench. Russian are unable to admit any truth. They pathologically have to lie about every single thing. Like if they forget to lie they will suffer heart damage or aneurysm.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1596-2859991.jpg Two rifle rounds to the head at five feet puts a man in the morgue, not the hospital. Good riddance to that motherfucker. Compare the reaction of the soldiers in that video - or any video of close-range rifle hits - with the other recent video of a Wagnerite walking into a cafe, and shooting two Kyderovs with a Russian pistol. Those hit with rifles are DRT. Those hit with handgun rounds keep struggling / fighting for some time. I will add: many of those hit with shrapnel from the various drone munitions seem to struggle on for a while, often with obvious , serious leg injuries. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:09:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Now would seem like an excellent time for Germany/Poland to make a move on K nigsberg.  |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:10:16 PM EDT
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 Kino - Summer is ending / ???? - ???????? ???? |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:10:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: Is this Putin’s off ramp. Dump blame on the MoD, let wagner “save russia” from the MoD. Putin pulls out under the pretense that the MoD was corrupt. I think this is Russia’s best opportunity for a “we didn’t lose, we had to quit” off ramp. In the Prigozhin video he states using nukes is mentally ill. That could be code for NATO that he will be the sane, controllable ruler versus FSB Putin. Whoever wins this showdown can use it as cover for a withdrawal to protect the Motherland. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:11:52 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:13:45 PM EDT
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It's probably time to fire up Tails and start dumping blocks of text into google translate if you aren't already.
Russian Telegram is on fire right now |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:14:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1672406436507271169 ⚡️BREAKING ⚡️ Just now, a Russian military helicopter opened fire on Wagner's column and was shot down by PMC calculations Wagner, — Prigozhin. If true I just got my ADA question answered… lol |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:14:39 PM EDT
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Gunfire, mraps, etc around rostov.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1672409506901368833?t=UEe-ixHS0xv1ZI3fHvXqwA&s=19 |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:14:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: My little brain cannot process those two working together right no. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Now would seem like an excellent time for Germany/Poland to make a move on K nigsberg. Many awkward hours in the IFVs moving to the front. “My grandfather told me about fighting on the Eastern front.” “Yeah, about that…” |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:15:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boedy: Isn't Moscow the other direction? Yeah but Rostov is alot closer. And its likely where alot of Wagner (including Prigozhin himself) have already had alot of close, in-person contact with the most regular army for the past several months. If Wagner just drives into Rostov and it falls without a fight, it makes the coup look alot bigger to alot more regular army elsewhere who were already dissatisfied but didn't really know what to do about it. This is all just spitballing. I don't have any more info than anyone else here. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:17:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:18:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:18:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Irish-0101: Hello guys, Would just like to say a big thanks to those who have help out. Really appreciate all being done not just for me but every soldier out here trying to get through it. ❤️slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 Irish Good luck and God speed Irish! Give our best wishes to the others.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:19:16 PM EDT
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This shit is crazy. I vaguely remember the fall of the Berlin wall and subsequent fall of th3 Soviet Union as a kid. Not sure how this all plays out, but Ukraine should be making some headway in the days ahead. Without Wagner the Russians are down a whole bunch of troops, and other resources are probably being stretched to help control Wagner. I can't see a better time to do a serious breakthrough attempt.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:19:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: I think this is Russia’s best opportunity for a “we didn’t lose, we had to quit” off ramp. In the Prigozhin video he states using nukes is mentally ill. That could be code for NATO that he will be the sane, controllable ruler versus FSB Putin. Whoever wins this showdown can use it as cover for a withdrawal to protect the Motherland. That's exactly how I read it. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:20:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:23:36 PM EDT
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 Latest images from Moscow: City preparing for uprising -Large number of equipment moving on streets |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:26:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Video of blocked bridge and highways.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:28:18 PM EDT
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Very good advice!
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:29:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:30:59 PM EDT
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This war will be largely over this week or next I speculate. The coup and civil war will break the occupation forces as russians realize they are dying for a lost cause. Most will tuck tail and head back to the motherland as fast as possible. UA will steamroll the rest all the way to the border and Kerch bridge.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:37:30 PM EDT
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Rostov is where MoD HQ is a) conducting the war from and b) is a massive logistical hub for military materiel and forces. It’s also the closest big X in proximity to Wagner forces rotating to/from the SMO. Wagner also has a major training facility outside of Krasnodar. HQ is in St. Petersburg.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:38:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: This war will be largely over this week or next I speculate. The coup and civil war will break the occupation forces as russians realize they are dying for a lost cause. Most will tuck tail and head back to the motherland as fast as possible. UA will steamroll the rest all the way to the border and Kerch bridge. Hope you're right and wouldn't be surprised if you are. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:40:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood:
Helicopters "raised in the air" and ADA put on extra alert...sounds like an excellent combo for disaster. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:41:07 PM EDT
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For those if you that missed it... Prigozhin just publicly admitted to more than 100k Russian dead.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:42:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Edit, claimed as old video.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:44:19 PM EDT
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OH, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:45:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: For those if you that missed it... Prigozhin just publicly admitted to more than 100k Russian dead. The Infowarriors will claim that the CIA is paying him to say that. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:46:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:47:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Helicopters "raised in the air" and ADA put on extra alert...sounds like an excellent combo for disaster. Here's hoping its on video. 
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:47:41 PM EDT
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Good lord! Spend a day at the skeet club trying to run a damn shoot and all hell breaks loose.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:48:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Walleyeguy24: This shit is crazy. I vaguely remember the fall of the Berlin wall and subsequent fall of th3 Soviet Union as a kid. Not sure how this all plays out, but Ukraine should be making some headway in the days ahead. Without Wagner the Russians are down a whole bunch of troops, and other resources are probably being stretched to help control Wagner. I can't see a better time to do a serious breakthrough attempt. IF, and it is still if, this is the real thing, the Russians in Ukraine will be cut off with no resupply or reinforcements coming, Russian Aviation assets will be diverted to deal with Wagner, and they have already blown their wad on cruise missiles. In a short time Russian and DPR/LPR forces could be hungry and out of ammo. Once the Russian artillery goes silent the Ukrainians will have a an old fashioned turkey shoot on their hands. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:48:18 PM EDT
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NV, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:48:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:49:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Some of this is real though. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:49:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sq40]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_1635-2861800.jpg Oh shit! Ol Luke is about to switch sides. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:50:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:51:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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There's going to be 20 pages for all of us to read tomorrow.
 ISW assessment for June 23rd. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-23-2023 Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin appears to have launched an armed rebellion on June 23 to force a leadership change within the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) which is unlikely to succeed. Prigozhin likely intends to truly conduct an armed rebellion against the Russian MoD, rather than expecting Kremlin support to compel MoD leadership changes or only escalating rhetorically. Prigozhin may have wildly miscalculated and called for an armed rebellion incorrectly thinking that he would have Putin’s backing, considering Putin’s past tenuous relationship with the MoD and Shoigu. This contingency is however extraordinarily unlikely, considering that Putin has recently more firmly aligned himself with the MoD, and the Kremlin’s responses to Prigozhin’s posturing thus far have indicated surprise and a lack of agreement with Prigozhin.[17] Prigozhin’s actions and statements may alternatively be a rhetorical overreach in his ongoing dispute with the MoD and his campaign to retain his wavering influence within the Russian information space following the culmination of Wagner’s Bakhmut effort. However, this contingency is also highly unlikely, as initial indicators of actual Wagner movements are observable and the Kremlin is not responding to Prigozhin’s statements as only rhetoric. It is therefore most likely that Prigozhin fully intends for Wagner to move against MoD leadership and forcibly remove them from power, more likely against the Southern Military District command in Rostov-on-Don but possibly also against Moscow. An armed Wagner attack against the Russian military leadership in Rostov-on-Don would have significant impacts on Russia’s war effort in Ukraine. Rostov-on-Don houses both the headquarters of the SMD, whose 58th Combined Arms Army is currently decisively engaged in defensive operations against Ukrainian counteroffensives in southern Ukraine, and the command center for the Russian Joint Group of Forces in Ukraine as a whole.[19] Rostov-on-Don is therefore a critical command and control membrane for the Russian army, and any threats to the MoD’s presence are likely to have ramifications on some critical aspects of the war effort. Prigozhin’s apparent start of an armed rebellion is the culmination of his campaign to retain control over his military forces, and he likely views the rebellion as an existential survival effort. Prigozhin’s likely intention was to gain the allegiance of senior Russian officers and military personnel, but he is unlikely to secure sufficient military support considering that Wagner-affiliated Army General Sergei Surovikin denounced Prigozhin’s call for armed rebellion. Even if the Wagner Group can credibly threaten the MoD, Putin is incredibly unlikely to acquiesce to a successful effort by Prigozhin to topple the MoD. Should Wagner be able to tangibly attack the MoD in Rostov, Moscow, or elsewhere, and actually force a change in the military leadership (which is as of this time highly unlikely due to the apparent lack of backing for Wagner amongst senior officers and military personnel), it is unlikely that Putin would accept this at outcome. ISW has not observed any indications that Putin will accept such a change in MoD leadership. The violent overthrow of Putin loyalists like Shoigu and Gerasimov would cause irreparable damage to the stability of Putin’s perceived hold on power, and Putin would be highly unlikely to accept any armed rebellion even if he supported the figures conducting it. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:52:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:54:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RockNwood]
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Good update thread
Got to like this accusation from the Kremlin!
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:55:10 PM EDT
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MT, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:55:38 PM EDT
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Appears to be going hot |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 9:56:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By yekimak: Lol..  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/IMG_3300-2861408.jpg   I was waiting on this...
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