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Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:04:51 AM EDT
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Some footage at about the eight minute mark of cluster munitions delivered by a Pion 2S7 203mm.  No wonder the numbers have been so high.

????????? TERRA: ??? ??? ????????. ????? ??? ?? ??????? ???????. ?.3

Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:05:05 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:05:57 AM EDT
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32 minutes ago.

Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:07:06 AM EDT
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Operating operators all know that furniture and receivers that are not color coordinated degrade ballistic performance 23%. You could literally die.
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Predator

Well, of course not M4A1🇺🇸
But not bad either
P.S. welcome to hell🦅🇺🇦

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/0617F343-F5A2-4345-B4FA-3F63DA28A50A-2742361.jpg
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That thing is barely even fit to kill commies. He needs some rattle-cans before that ugly paint job gets him killed.



Operating operators all know that furniture and receivers that are not color coordinated degrade ballistic performance 23%. You could literally die.


Exactly right.

The first rule of warfare is to look cool doing it.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:09:46 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:13:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By centex_SR-15:

Some footage at about the eight minute mark of cluster munitions delivered by a Pion 2S7 203mm.  No wonder the numbers have been so high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUHzK42qPJo
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Terra is definitely quality over quantity.

Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:14:06 AM EDT
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Video in tweet.


Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:16:02 AM EDT
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Real battle of wits up there


Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:18:53 AM EDT
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CNN covering this.











Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:25:06 AM EDT
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Russian's might be trying to use their poor mans glide bomb.














Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:29:18 AM EDT
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Referenced Op-Ed - Zelenskyy has no choice but to ask his fighters to hold Bakhmut — for now. US generals say the Ukrainian president is right not to disengage from the meat-grinder of a battle.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:29:31 AM EDT
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This will make a great "WarTranslated" video soon.

Prigozhin giving a tour of his Dr. Evil underground lair.  Seriously.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:30:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Prime:
Soldiers of CSO "A" of the SBU on Can-Am Outlander quad bikes and Polaris buggies.
Photo of 2022.

CADET

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That picture is what West Virginia going to war would look like.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:35:42 AM EDT
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More prisoners. Translation in tweet.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:35:55 AM EDT
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That picture is what West Virginia going to war would look like.
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Just needs some Copenhagen wear rings on their pockets
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:39:32 AM EDT
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This video is making its way around this morning. No idea when this was.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:40:18 AM EDT
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Where do I sign up as a Russophobe?
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Originally Posted By Freiheit8472:


“Russia has decided to convene a meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss "Russophobia," which, according to the Kremlin, does not allow it to successfully complete its military campaign against Ukraine.


Where do I sign up as a Russophobe?


The world hates Russia as much as Russia hates sobriety.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:46:33 AM EDT
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Hahaha!
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:46:46 AM EDT
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RU TG
The first use by the enemy of the American "smart bomb" JDAM - enemy resources claim The other day, allegedly footage of the use of a planning "smart bomb" JDAM in the Kurdyumovka area (near Bakhmut) appeared. An explosion of great power and its consequences - destroyed buildings are shown. Whether this is the exact use of this bomb is not known for certain. High-precision glide bombs were included in the recent US aid package for Kyiv, they are quite dangerous, they can be used by aircraft from considerable distances and cause great destruction. t.me/RVvoenkor
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/40227
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:49:20 AM EDT
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Earlier in the war they were putting old at-2 and at-3 launchers on top of side by sides.

Quite a few photos and videos popped up of them getting ifvs and a few tanks. It isn't a bad strategy.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 9:52:24 AM EDT
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Referenced Op-Ed - Zelenskyy has no choice but to ask his fighters to hold Bakhmut — for now. US generals say the Ukrainian president is right not to disengage from the meat-grinder of a battle.
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An opposing take
Ukraine’s Counteroffensive Will Start in Two Months, Zelensky’s Aide Says.  Mykhailo Podolyak said Ukraine’s continued defense of Bakhmut has two goals: to inflict heavy losses on the Russian army, and to gain time for a counteroffensive.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:00:34 AM EDT
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 God bless you kind mother.  I am sorry you lost your son.

Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:05:13 AM EDT
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Step 1 — Build a false foundation
On September 7, 2022, the obscure YouTube and Telegram channel Journalisten Freikorps (“Free Corp of Journalists”) published a six-second video of a Stinger MANPAD lying on the ground. The video description claimed the footage was filmed at the German port of Bremen on July 20, 2022, as Ukrainian military personnel were being arrested for transporting multiple “tubular devices.” The post also claimed the Ukrainian troops were aboard the ship Floriana, sailing under a Ukrainian flag, and bound for Turkey.

In the footage, an authoritative German voice can be heard asking someone to stop filming. Researchers from the Ukrainian fact-checking organization StopFake and the US fact-checking organization Lead Stories found that the audio was copied from an old YouTube video uploaded on January 23, 2022. In addition, while the Floriana is a real vessel, it sails under the Maltese flag rather than the Ukrainian flag. Bremen police confirmed the report was false and that they “did not arrest any Ukrainians who dealt in weapons.”

The Institute for Strategic Dialogue (ISD) conducted a separate investigation into Journalisten Friekorps’s assets and found the organization was connected to Russia by tracing it to an expired Russian e-commerce domain name. The organization also spread anti-Ukraine petitions in Germany that were recently included in a Facebook takedown covered by the DFRLab and promoted other websites aimed at discouraging support for Ukraine. Further analysis from threat intelligence researcher Kyle Ehmke found a connection between Journalisten Friekorps and other pro-Russia websites in German.

The Journalisten Freikorps Telegram channel was created on May 18, 2022; it typically reposts short news stories from local German media outlets. The Journalisten Freikorps YouTube channel was created on August 24, 2022 and links to an non-functioning website.

Step 2 — Use forgeries to support a false debunk
The next step in the Russian playbook is providing additional “evidence” to cement the narrative. In this case, a September 7, 2022 article by the fringe Ukrainian publication National Bank of News (NBN) claimed it had fact-checked the story using a letter that turned out to be a forgery. The article, which appeared the same day Journalisten Freikorps published the video to its Telegram and YouTube videos, discussed a Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung interview with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. NBN claimed that Scholz “deliberately” delayed weapons shipments to Ukraine because of the Journalisten Freikorps video. The article then stated that Ukrainian troops were not detained in Germany for transporting weapons, “debunking” the claim using the forged letter.

The letter in question, purportedly written by Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov, was addressed to Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba. It claimed that the Stinger MANPADS identified at the port of Bremen were now in Kharkiv. In the letter, the word “Kharkiv” is written as “Харьків,” which is a combination of the Ukrainian spelling “Харків” and Russian spelling “Харьков.” The letter also used a copy of Reznikov’s digital signature, stolen from another document signed on April 9, 2022; it previously appeared in a September 2022 forged letter documented by the DFRLab.

Step 3 — Plant bogus evidence in a credible source
The next day, on September 8, Ukraine’s public radio broadcaster published a story at 12:25pm about the testing of a new emergency notification system. According to archival versions of the piece preserved by the Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine, at some point in the next three hours, hackers breached the website and replaced the text with a new story titled, “The General Staff conducts unscheduled inspections of warehouses with weapons.” In addition, there is a third version of the story that appeared before the article was taken offline with the title “Test” and the body text “123.” Ukrainian Radio confirmed the breach to the DFRLab.

The inserted story was about Serhiy Shaptala, Chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, demanding inspections of the 92nd Mechanized Brigade. The article quoted Freikorps and NBN and shared the forged Reznikov letter. The article also included another document, which does not bear any digital signatures. The document sets out an additional “separate assignment” to check on the availability of Stinger systems, resulting from random inspections that purportedly found three missing Stinger MANPADS.

While the style of the hacked article is somewhat similar to the style of Ukrainian Radio, it lacked one essential component — audio. Ukrainian Radio embeds audio clips in its articles, containing excerpts from its broadcasts. The hacked story did not include any audio recordings.

Step 4 — Launder the source of information
The next step in the Russian disinformation playbook is to launder the source of the information by appearing to amplify other coverage. On Telegram, Journalisten Freikorps highlighted the “investigation” of “Ukrainian colleagues” at Ukrainian Radio — e.g., the hacked web page — adding that they “hope for the answers.” The post included a screenshot from a dark web marketplace and claimed that users can order Stinger MANPADS online. Journalisten Freikorps suggested that the dark web shop and the disappearing weapons may be related. The use of the dark web as a scarecrow is a recurring approach that Russian disinformation outlets have relied on since the invasion of Ukraine, as the DFRLab has previously reported. The DFRLab attempted to access the dark web marketplace, but the site was unreachable at the time.

Later, Journalisten Freikorps published another post that said Ukrainian Telegram groups are offering to pay people to place dark web orders. The claim appears to have originated from a single Telegram account that published two posts in a Telegram group, one in English and one in Ukrainian, offering payment for dark web orders. However, Ukrainian moderators immediately deleted the post and kicked the account out of the group. The account is no longer active on Telegram.

Journalisten Freikorps also published a screenshot of a private chat allegedly sent to them by a German student who claims to have exposed the dark web marketplace and alerted local police in Dresden. The DFRLab attempted to verify the student’s claim with Dresden police, who told the DFRLab, “the occurence you are refering to ist [sic] know to Polizeidirektion Dresden and is currently under investigation from the Staatsschutz department of Dresden Police.”

Step 5 — Time the release
Image metadata suggests that some consideration also went into timing the release of the disinformation campaign materials. A key website in the operation is World and We, a blogging platform where registered users can publish stories. On September 17, it published a story about the Stinger MANPADS and said that Ukraine “has already been repeatedly convicted of outright lies,” so any denials should be ignored. The article also claimed Europe’s security was under threat. The article cited the Journalisten Freikorps’ Telegram channel and included images of the forged letters and the supposed dark web marketplace. Three image file names contain the date “20220909” and times that range from 12:26:28 a.m. to 1:58:54 a.m.. This is a standard naming format many computers use when taking a screenshot or saving a file. The images published on the website do not follow a unified naming system, suggesting images maintain the file name provided by the author. The file name suggests that preparations were underway for this article as early as September 9. However, it was published eight days later. While the reason for this delay is unknown, it is worth noting that during this period the Ukrainian army was conducting a counteroffensive in Kharkiv oblast that was making headlines.

On September 14, the story also appeared on the German website Weltexpress, which accepts payment for coverage. The outlet has previously published pro-Kremlin narratives, including an article that blamed Ukraine for the Bucha massacre. Weltexpress cited the NBN article and the “evidence” provided by Journalisten Friekorps. After Russian media began promoting the narrative), the Weltexpress article was amplified by Olga Petersen, a Russian-born German politician with the Alternative fur Deutschland (AfD) party. In her post, Petersen said she would ask the Hamburg senate to investigate. AfD is known to have links with Russia.

Step 6 –Pro-Kremlin sources pick up the baton
On September 16, the pro-Russia YouTuber Vladimir Gorbovskiy published the Stinger video on his Telegram channel. He claimed that German authorities had contacted Ukrainian officials to discuss missing weapons and Ukraine responded that it was storing the weapons. He then hypothesized that the weapons would be used against civilian aircrafts in Europe. Another Telegram channel found a Bremen police statement regarding the theft of electronic equipment and falsely interpreted it as being related to the Stinger operation.

On September 17, World and We’s Telegram channel published the Stinger video and asked, “Germans, have Lufthansa planes fallen yet?” A few hours later, the abovementioned World and We article was published. The story was republished verbatim by the pro-Russia fringe media outlet Naspravdi.info, while a slightly edited version appeared on the pro-Kremlin website Bloknot. Bloknot also published a followup story that claimed people in the West were protesting military aid to Ukraine. This story included one image with “2022–09–08” in its name. The article also included the two documents shared in the hacked Ukrainian Radio story; however, it shared the documents in reverse order. This is noteworthy because the two documents were shared as a single image file. The Bloknot version also removed the digital signature. A comparison of the documents revealed minor differences in the document that does not bear a letterhead, indicating the text was slightly edited.

The story also circulated in mainstream pro-Kremlin media. The tabloids Moscow Komsomolets and Komsomolet’s Pravda repeated the claim that Ukrainians had been detained in Germany for trading weapons and amplified the narrative that a German student discovered the illegal marketplace. They also cited anonymous “local media” to claim that the weapons were intended for the Kharkiv counteroffensive.

The next day, the story appeared on Channel One Russia. It then reached Twitter, where it was shared by Dmitry Polyanskiy, the Deputy Permanent Representative of Russia to the United Nations. The story also made waves on Russian social media platform VK. The posts appeared on both personal pages and groups, including one dedicated to the city of Boston. The VK posts mostly cited the archived Ukrainian Radio article as evidence.

Step 7 — Prepare some “analysis” and translate it into English
War On Fakes, a pro-Kremlin disinformation outlet masquerading as a fact-checking organization, also reported on the claim, first in Russian, and a few hours later in English. The article replicates much of the World and We article, cites the NBN article, and includes a screenshot of the Ukrainian Radio article. The article claims that “Western arms were literally flooding from Ukraine to different countries of the world,” and concludes that Ukraine should not be trusted. The article was shared on Facebook by the Russian Embassy of New Zealand.

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https://medium.com/dfrlab/seven-steps-to-spread-a-conspiracy-how-russia-promoted-weapons-trade-allegations-a3e80ebedaf5
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An opposing take
Ukraine’s Counteroffensive Will Start in Two Months, Zelensky’s Aide Says.  Mykhailo Podolyak said Ukraine’s continued defense of Bakhmut has two goals: to inflict heavy losses on the Russian army, and to gain time for a counteroffensive.
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Referenced Op-Ed - Zelenskyy has no choice but to ask his fighters to hold Bakhmut — for now. US generals say the Ukrainian president is right not to disengage from the meat-grinder of a battle.

An opposing take
Ukraine’s Counteroffensive Will Start in Two Months, Zelensky’s Aide Says.  Mykhailo Podolyak said Ukraine’s continued defense of Bakhmut has two goals: to inflict heavy losses on the Russian army, and to gain time for a counteroffensive.



Expanded info for those not going to the links:










Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:07:10 AM EDT
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Why do you think anyone wants to read this crap on here?
Stop posting your thesis papers.
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That is fine, except for the fact that it doesn't address the "Mass" issue, the need for expanded capabilities, etc, and also doesn't do anything to break the Institutional issues.  If you could "break the phalanx" of the PBBE and DOTML-PF bureaucracy, modify "up-or-out" promotion policies, and reduce the # of billets requiring GO/FOs and/or GS equivalents, you could fund most of the shortfalls for personnel.  Among the services, they are all "rank-heavy" with the Air Force being in the worst shape (though they are all desperately in need of a "senior structure diet").

Time in grade and time in service could be extended for sure. A lot of the demand for more senior guys could probably be relieved with guys that have the same number of years even if they are less senior. And more warrants! USAF I’m looking at you.

Also, we need to break the stovepipes between capabilities, similar to the partial functional merger of the Field Artillery, ADA, and to sone extent, the Army Aviation Branch in the early 2010's, which greatly speeded up the delivery of ALL fires functions and created a world where an Infantry Company Commander, if he has a sharp FSO whose done the proper coordination, can get information relayed up to Theater-Level HIMAD ADA and Fires assets and receive information in return, or that Battalion and Brigade commanders can monitor in real time the Ground, Air, and Artillery fight simultaneously.
 
It’s time to ask if the branch system is an advantage or an impediment and if we might be better served with long time in service and time in grade so you get guys with some depth of experience. Europeans often have junior officers with as much time as US field grades and it works for them. Don’t need to zoom everyone up like they might be the next Chief of Staff…

My take is that we need to rapidly expand our reserve components (especially National Guard, as these seem to be better supported than Federal Reserve forces and are much harder to cut) even at some expense to the AC force and work on the Active Component to develop and implement the "cutting edge" tech fieldings and serve as the "Tip of the Spear"; which means that ROTC and OCS will still be necessary (and may even need to expand, as improving "Mass" means you'll need More junior/Company Grade officers out doing Company Grade officer things, either on a part-time or full-time basis).

The federal reserve is a mess compared even to NG. Just get rid of it. But there needs to be operational and strategic reserves. HIMARS13A was saying that we should use life cycle (1 active 4 reserve years) for operational reserves. It seems smart to me.

I am OK with the Academies as four-year institutions, but I would add a "qualifying service requirement" of Military Service of some form Prior to application.  For direct Congressional Appointees, the process can go as it currently is, but once accepted, you have to serve a certain time as an enlisted before you actually enroll at West Point.  This will keep standards high but deter the folks merely applying to get the degree then do the minimum.  Going Forward, a lot will need to change.

If we made USMA a 1 year program that you applied to contingent to graduating college the free college people would be cut right out. My college room mate ended up being an officer in the Army because he was seen leaving the financial aid office on a deadline day, visibly upset. He’s a great guy but hanging out looking for guys in a tight spot with college money is not a substitute for proper hiring practices.


Time in grade and time in service could be extended for sure. A lot of the demand for more senior guys could probably be relieved with guys that have the same number of years even if they are less senior. And more warrants! USAF I’m looking at you.

In total agreement.  Couldn't have stated it better!

It’s time to ask if the branch system is an advantage or an impediment and if we might be better served with long time in service and time in grade so you get guys with some depth of experience. Europeans often have junior officers with as much time as US field grades and it works for them. Don’t need to zoom everyone up like they might be the next Chief of Staff

Branches are a weird animal.  Some are very good at what they do and add value (Signal Corps comes to mind), while others, not so much.  Some mergers have gone well (the aforementioned integration of FA and ADA into the Fires realm and the formal linkage with Aviation), while some others have been not as successful (the merger of Infantry and Armor in the Maneuver function, in which the Armor branch was treated as the junior partner and shed a lot of their more effective capabilities, or the Looting of the Transportation Corps when they were rolled into the "Logistics" function).  

The combination of our current "up or out" promotion system and "early promotions" by design shortchanges the most promising officers as it ensures they will have less operational experience than other officers of the same grade.  Due to KD and Command time requirements, this necessarily limits the "breadth" of their experience.  This is, of course, a "necessary evil" if you are fighting WWII or something, but can have negative consequences when a commander has less operational experience than his/her peers, or even subordinates.  After all "a double below the zone" guy/gal has at least two years less experience than peers. A system that is more of a "pull" system as opposed to a "push" system will also help to break up the "year group" issue where oftentimes positions are filled with "who's available in this specific group" rather than "who is the most qualified", and can also potentially mitigate some of the damage caused by "Flavor of the Month" promotion policies.  

The federal reserve is a mess compared even to NG. Just get rid of it. But there needs to be operational and strategic reserves. HIMARS13A was saying that we should use life cycle (1 active 4 reserve years) for operational reserves. It seems smart to me.

This matches my experience as well (Served in the FLARNG as enlisted and as an SMP between my Active Duty stints; also served in an AC/RC unit as an Active Duty officer.) The Army Reserve was generally a hot mess above the Company-level, and oftentimes a hot mess top to bottom.  National Guard varied a lot, usually by state from "Nearly as good as an AD unit" to "OMFG"; but I cannot recall any occasion where Army Reserve units above the Company level were better than their equivalent ARNG peers.  Generally AR units were a lot worse from a training and mobilization standpoint than their NG peers.  I  would also open a lot of institutional army jobs/positions to reservists, to include any/all faculty and administrative positions at the Military Academies.  As a matter of fact, faculty would come in three flavors:  Serving National Guard/Reserve members, Active Duty, and Retired Military, with maybe a few Diplomats and retired State Department types that were limited to teaching International/Foreign relations and Civil/Military relations type courses.    


Why do you think anyone wants to read this crap on here?
Stop posting your thesis papers.


Alot of us do! And who are you to decide what he can post? What have you contributed? He's a valued poster in this thread..so take your crying somewhere else
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:07:44 AM EDT
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That picture is what West Virginia going to war would look like.
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They are on the roads everywhere here. Legal too.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:07:51 AM EDT
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Why do you think anyone wants to read this crap on here?
Stop posting your thesis papers.
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It's easy to just scroll past it. It's impossible to discuss a major war in Europe without talking politics, history, and how it effects the US (military and politics).

Or just start a "only raw Ukraine war footage-no comments allowed" thread and enjoy.

SH's experience with the Army Reserve and FL National Guard mirrors mine. The Reserve units I served in were a mess while both the NG units I was in (SF and Light Inf.) were both very good imho. I went to DS#1 as an activated Reservist.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:08:11 AM EDT
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Thermal drone attacking a Russian IFV with dismounts.

Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:16:33 AM EDT
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Excellent post and very interesting. We knew Russia would learn and adapt but never thought it would be 1918 German Stormtrupen. Meanwhile the UA is working on 1940 Blitzkrieg (hopefully).
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:17:04 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:24:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:

It's easy to just scroll past it. It's impossible to discuss a major war in Europe without talking politics, history, and how it effects the US (military and politics).

Or just start a "only raw Ukraine war footage-no comments allowed" thread and enjoy.

SH's experience with the Army Reserve and FL National Guard mirrors mine. The Reserve units I served in were a mess while both the NG units I was in (SF and Light Inf.) were both very good imho. I went to DS#1 as an activated Reservist.
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Off topic for Ukraine, but the Army has huge organizational problems right now, especially with RC forces, and the Pentagon thinks more suicide and SHARP stand-downs will fix all the "soft" issues.  It's sad, they send out survey after survey, and near as I can tell, ALL of them, from leadership and lower enlisted alike, are unanimous that there are too many training distractors and "check the block" requirements and not enough actual training and missions. I thought Ukraine would be a wake up, and in some ways it is, but the relentless barrage of obviously pointless taskers continues.  FWIW, the NG CS and CSS units I've worked with are every bit as ate up as the Reserves, and I think outside the SF world that's probably true for combat arms as well.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:25:03 AM EDT
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 God bless you kind mother.  I am sorry you lost your son.

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Some of these cause the dust to fly around here in the Loraz bunker.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:28:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Referenced Op-Ed - Zelenskyy has no choice but to ask his fighters to hold Bakhmut — for now. US generals say the Ukrainian president is right not to disengage from the meat-grinder of a battle.
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Rob Lee makes a lot of “educated guesses” and heavily defends them without revealing a lot of the foundations of his argument. Other, equally or more scholarly observers have disagreed with him.

He provides good Intel but not on everything and seems to extrapolate specific conclusions from 4-5 loose assumptions built on top of each other.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:29:22 AM EDT
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"I guess at the same time we are meant to believe that Obama/Biden sending blankets and MRE's to Ukraine after they were invaded was a show of strength."

Maybe insert compassion and saving democracy....
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:31:01 AM EDT
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A very pretty explosion in this one.
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Originally Posted By kncook:


Rob Lee makes a lot of “educated guesses” and heavily defends them without revealing a lot of the foundations of his argument. Other, equally or more scholarly observers have disagreed with him.

He provides good Intel but not on everything and seems to extrapolate specific conclusions from 4-5 loose assumptions built on top of each other.
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Apparently he was in Bakhmut in the past couple of weeks with an handful of others.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:34:28 AM EDT
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Some of these cause the dust to fly around here in the Loraz bunker.
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Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:37:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By postpostban:

Take that crap somewhere else.
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Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott:

Time in grade and time in service could be extended for sure. A lot of the demand for more senior guys could probably be relieved with guys that have the same number of years even if they are less senior. And more warrants! USAF I’m looking at you.

 
It’s time to ask if the branch system is an advantage or an impediment and if we might be better served with long time in service and time in grade so you get guys with some depth of experience. Europeans often have junior officers with as much time as US field grades and it works for them. Don’t need to zoom everyone up like they might be the next Chief of Staff…


#BringBackSpec5+

Take that crap somewhere else.


Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:44:50 AM EDT
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badass.

So how many were fired / tanks taken out ratio?

The SMArt 155 has what two munitions per shot?
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 10:51:32 AM EDT
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Yeah I was assuming since it was by US officers it was directed at the US. But that is an interesting point you make that if directed to any other country, don’t try for air superiority. A couple of questions:

1) Do you think it possible for Ukraine to eventually achieve superiority with the trend of aid we are giving?

2) For other countries, what is their best alternative? AD and missiles?
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There are some good points there. But also some that are more specific to the location and nature of the two forces.

What is lacking from this it seems is appreciation of air superiority. That should be the number one lesson regardless of terrain or at sea: if you want to avoid trench attrition warfare you must establish air superiority with AD, anti-radar, fighters and CAS. With dominance of the air then armor maneuvers and UAV are much freer to be used.

But the article does emphasize that ultimately you have to have armor, artillery of all forms and infantry to own the land. I think the US has all this knowledge but was woken up that numbers are important too.


The only Air Force in the world that can establish Air Supremacy over an industrialized enemy is the USAF (usually with Navy). It’s shockingly expensive and most militaries worldwide would be well advised to not even try, it’s not worth the investment to struggle at it if you aren’t going to get it done.


Yeah I was assuming since it was by US officers it was directed at the US. But that is an interesting point you make that if directed to any other country, don’t try for air superiority. A couple of questions:

1) Do you think it possible for Ukraine to eventually achieve superiority with the trend of aid we are giving?

2) For other countries, what is their best alternative? AD and missiles?


For 2, a layered air defense, a large number of missiles, and small drones and loitering munitions.
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Damn those would be useful. Not just for the missiles but for the radars after the missiles are expended.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 11:11:00 AM EDT
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Da Vinci always knew how to gather people around him. Everyone - from the private to the general - reached out to him and listened. He led people into battle, although he was an officer and a combatant, his personal example and courage were inspiring.












Link Posted: 3/12/2023 11:21:37 AM EDT
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Each does their job well.

The HIMARS are more useful to Ukraine but if they actually had a couple F35s all those TU-95 Bear bombers launching cruise missiles would be dead already,
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Not really, the Bears would be outside the combat radius unless the F-35s were based in the east (not happening).  Enroute to their missile launching area over the Caspian Sea there are times they are closer to Ukraine but still outside the combat radius of jets based in the west.
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badass.

So how many were fired / tanks taken out ratio?

The SMArt 155 has what two munitions per shot?
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badass.

So how many were fired / tanks taken out ratio?

The SMArt 155 has what two munitions per shot?


Timestamp for incoming Smarts? I can't see any Smarts.

Link Posted: 3/12/2023 11:50:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By kncook:


Rob Lee makes a lot of “educated guesses” and heavily defends them without revealing a lot of the foundations of his argument. Other, equally or more scholarly observers have disagreed with him.

He provides good Intel but not on everything and seems to extrapolate specific conclusions from 4-5 loose assumptions built on top of each other.
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Referenced Op-Ed - Zelenskyy has no choice but to ask his fighters to hold Bakhmut — for now. US generals say the Ukrainian president is right not to disengage from the meat-grinder of a battle.


Rob Lee makes a lot of “educated guesses” and heavily defends them without revealing a lot of the foundations of his argument. Other, equally or more scholarly observers have disagreed with him.

He provides good Intel but not on everything and seems to extrapolate specific conclusions from 4-5 loose assumptions built on top of each other.

Michael Kofman was recently in Bakhmut, and he came to the same conclusions as Rob Lee.
Link Posted: 3/12/2023 11:53:24 AM EDT
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RU TG
The first use by the enemy of the American "smart bomb" JDAM - enemy resources claim The other day, allegedly footage of the use of a planning "smart bomb" JDAM in the Kurdyumovka area (near Bakhmut) appeared. An explosion of great power and its consequences - destroyed buildings are shown. Whether this is the exact use of this bomb is not known for certain. High-precision glide bombs were included in the recent US aid package for Kyiv, they are quite dangerous, they can be used by aircraft from considerable distances and cause great destruction. t.me/RVvoenkor
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/40227
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So any and every slight large explosion is going to be said to be a JDAM now.

The strike on the troops in the open wasn't even close to Mk82 level.

The explosion at the building was first claimed to be JDAM-ER. If it was a JDAM-ER we would have been able to of seen the bomb as it stuck the building, but there is no sign of one in the video.


Here is what a 500 pound JDAM strike would look like.

F-16 conducts Close-Air Support with Mk-82 bombs
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