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MD, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2024 2:31:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shadow_Dancer]
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Reads like there is a lot of froth in the water over in RBR Land, and the band is potentially breaking up.
I'll say this much; things like this do not happen in a snap. Whatever is going on has been on a slow steady build for years. I commend them for managing to present a unified front and not allow any of the internal volatility to leak out into the public / press. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2024 2:35:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/8/2024 2:48:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit338: This is a great venue and to prepare, we should ask Caterpillar to donate some D11s, from their Illinois factory, to push the entire city of Chicago into Lake Michigan to clear the area for a race track. I’d like to subscribe to your newsletter. |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 3:24:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Reads like there is a lot of froth in the water over in RBR Land, and the band is potentially breaking up. I'll say this much; things like this do not happen in snap. Whatever is going on has been on a slow steady build for years. I commend them for managing to present a unified front and not allow any of the internal volatility to leak out into the public / press. Dietrich Mateschitz might have been the only reason why Horner was still around. With him no longer being around to stick up for him, Horner probably knew he was a done after the 2023 season. Guess we'll find out for sure tomorrow, but I'm sure Netflix is having a field day with this shit. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2024 3:27:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freiheit338: This is a great venue and to prepare, we should ask Caterpillar to donate some D11s, from their Illinois factory, to push the entire city of Chicago into Lake Michigan to clear the area for a race track. Alright you got me there, KillDozer the entire Metro! |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 4:16:42 PM EDT
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Vcarb releases their racing suits ahead of their car launch this evening.
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Posted: 2/8/2024 4:33:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: Sounds like Horner is a dead man, and they were just looking for an excuse to get rid of him.
Where is this info coming from? |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 4:37:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Apparently Jos Verstappen is part of the people feeding the flames 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2024 4:45:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: Sounds like Max would be getting what he wants by Horner leaving. What would Max be getting by Horner leaving that he doesn’t already have? |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 4:46:58 PM EDT
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Craig Scarborough's take on the Alpine A524
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Posted: 2/8/2024 4:48:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi: Where is this info coming from? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi: Originally Posted By DCV_117: Sounds like Horner is a dead man, and they were just looking for an excuse to get rid of him.
Where is this info coming from? The same place all F1 rumors originate, anywhere from team leaks to whispers in the Paddock. |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 4:55:04 PM EDT
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I’m still wondering why RB has a problem with Horner.
Multiple championships, etc |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 5:00:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass: I’m still wondering why RB has a problem with Horner. Multiple championships, etc Me too, I mean, I don't know the guy, but based on DTS and the odd pre / post race interview, he seems like a mild mannered and calm brit. He doesn't come across as a threat at all. Maybe that's the reason no one likes him, he's too soft and the real competitive ones, Verstappen and his dad, Marco and possibly others behind the scenes think he's holding them back somehow? |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 5:06:08 PM EDT
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If it's just an internal power struggle, what exactly is being investigated? That doesn't add up to me.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By danpass: I’m still wondering why RB has a problem with Horner. Multiple championships, etc Same. Even if he's an insufferable asshole, he's still the team boss bringing in the hardware. This whole situation is weird. And that video from the last page, I find that dude is completely full of shit and most of his videos are clickbait. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2024 5:12:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: Apparently the Red Bull clash comes from a helmut Marco / Christian Horner power struggle Apparently Jos Verstappen is part of the people feeding the flames It would not surprise me if this is just British tabloids shitting on Horner because he's successful. That is their MO. |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 5:52:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: Craig Scarborough's take on the Alpine A524
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GF1q8HuWEAAsk-u?format=jpg&name=large Look at this side by side. It’s interesting they moved the cockpit so far back. I think the angles the pictures were taken is slightly different which is messing with some of the proportions though.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 5:56:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Berettadeprived: Me too, I mean, I don't know the guy, but based on DTS and the odd pre / post race interview, he seems like a mild mannered and calm brit. He doesn't come across as a threat at all. Maybe that's the reason no one likes him, he's too soft and the real competitive ones, Verstappen and his dad, Marco and possibly others behind the scenes think he's holding them back somehow? Christian Horner is hard as fuck. Does not take any shit, is generous with funding, but is very old school when it comes to performance. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2024 7:08:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shadow_Dancer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: I'm sure Netflix is having a field day with this shit. Oh, I'm sure the Executive Producers of Drive to Survive have been on a hooker & cocaine bender every weekend. Ever press release and news drop has been better red meat than the previous one. 
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Posted: 2/8/2024 7:11:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi: Look at this side by side. It's interesting they moved the cockpit so far back. I think the angles the pictures were taken is slightly different which is messing with some of the proportions though. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/500232/IMG_2673_png-3122412.JPG conclusions from that compilation. |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 7:13:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: Same. Even if he's an insufferable asshole, he's still the team boss bringing in the hardware. Reputational harm. It's all good when you have elite personal and staff who will suffer and insufferable asshole and get the job done. But when that talent begins to leave, and the word is out that your enterprise puts up with that kind of horseshit from its leaders and officers and that the internal culture and workplace are both shit - elite talent will not want to join your company, or in this case, team. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2024 7:16:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi: Look at this side by side. It’s interesting they moved the cockpit so far back. Uh oh. AMG did with the W13, pushing the cockpit further back, and it was not a good idea. Hamilton said he could not feel what the front wheels were doing and that with the larger taller rims, placement on turn-in was more difficult. |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 8:12:05 PM EDT
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 The EXACT moment Max Verstappen became a monster... |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 8:31:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DCV_117]
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Vcarb leaked
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Posted: 2/8/2024 11:40:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fredegar: Well I for one have appreciated the entertainment as we wait for the season to begin I’m hoping for a LollipopmanF1 video on the off season. |
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Posted: 2/8/2024 11:51:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TotalNovice: It would not surprise me if this is just British tabloids shitting on Horner because he's successful. That is their MO. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TotalNovice: Originally Posted By Shung: Apparently the Red Bull clash comes from a helmut Marco / Christian Horner power struggle Apparently Jos Verstappen is part of the people feeding the flames It would not surprise me if this is just British tabloids shitting on Horner because he's successful. That is their MO. It’s all coming from the German press. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 8:22:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2024 11:39:46 AM EDT
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any hope ?
 Hamilton's MASSIVE Opportunity BLOCKED by Mercedes? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2024 12:16:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: It’s all coming from the German press. Mercedes then?! |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 12:41:29 PM EDT
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By far the best livery revealed so far. I wish he'd just fuck off down the road. I'm so sick of his stupid smug face. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2024 12:48:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHope for what? Bono ain't going no where. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 1:41:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Reputational harm. It's all good when you have elite personal and staff who will suffer and insufferable asshole and get the job done. But when that talent begins to leave, and the word is out that your enterprise puts up with that kind of horseshit from its leaders and officers and that the internal culture and workplace are both shit - elite talent will not want to join your company, or in this case, team. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: Originally Posted By TarawaS2000: Same. Even if he's an insufferable asshole, he's still the team boss bringing in the hardware. Reputational harm. It's all good when you have elite personal and staff who will suffer and insufferable asshole and get the job done. But when that talent begins to leave, and the word is out that your enterprise puts up with that kind of horseshit from its leaders and officers and that the internal culture and workplace are both shit - elite talent will not want to join your company, or in this case, team. I don't know either personally but I have the impression that Helmut Marko is the bigger asshole. That being said, when you have a team functioning at that level, changing a key part of it is probably a bad idea. I also think Hamilton going to Ferrari is not going to be good for him. I know he really wants more championship, but I don't see that happening there. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 1:48:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: By far the best livery revealed so far. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 2:27:47 PM EDT
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The Horner hearing is still going on
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Posted: 2/9/2024 2:30:23 PM EDT
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Is it known if there is any sort of vesting for Horner? Twenty as team principal and then ... something?
Maybe being railroaded to avoid giving him some sort of payout. - |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 2:34:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: The Horner hearing is still going on
My mind read that as "Christian Slater" and I was like wtf does he have to do with F1. 
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Posted: 2/9/2024 2:43:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: The Horner hearing is still going on
I find most of the stuff posted as "news" from "journalists" regarding F1 is not worth my time, until it makes news on F1.com or a press release from the actual team, the FiA, or F1 it is just noise. They're just as bad as every other "news" site/account in misleading headlines, utterly useless drivel, or other garbage. I honestly think that it would be foolish to fire Horner unless he did something truly awful worth firing him for unless the managing partner is like Jerry Jones and treats Horner like Tom Landry got treated by Jones. Or, if he was the one leaning on Helmut and this is payback. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 2:45:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By poison123: Hope for what? Bono ain't going no where. hope for Hamilton being kept the fuck there |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 2:47:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCV_117: The Horner hearing is still going on
So the update is, there is no update. 😁 Gotta love modern journalism. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 3:04:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: My mind read that as "Christian Slater" and I was like wtf does he have to do with F1. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarawaS2000: Originally Posted By DCV_117: The Horner hearing is still going on
My mind read that as "Christian Slater" and I was like wtf does he have to do with F1. Oh good, it wasn't just me. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 3:07:51 PM EDT
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So many cars are running bare carbon fiber this year, it's going to be a bitch to tell them apart on track.
"Oh and someone has gone off in turn 11! It appears to be Hamil, wait no it's Albon, wait no it's Gas, no it's Sargent, no it's.. we'll just wait for the official word." |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2024 3:31:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shung: hope for Hamilton being kept the fuck there You aren't that lucky Shung. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 4:36:11 PM EDT
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Hearing into Red Bull team boss ends without resolution - BBC
AKA, this thing will now play out over weeks and weeks. Safe ThreadTM |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:13:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fredegar: Hearing into Red Bull team boss ends without resolution - BBC AKA, this thing will now play out over weeks and weeks. Safe ThreadTM |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 5:18:03 PM EDT
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This is reading like they’re just trying to dump Horner now. Wild.
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:06:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fredegar: Hearing into Red Bull team boss ends without resolution - BBC AKA, this thing will now play out over weeks and weeks. Safe ThreadTM I have no idea about these sorts of things, but, if it was a clear cut case against Horner or at least clear cut allegations against him, wouldn’t RB suspend him pending the outcome of the investigation? |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:25:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadtired: This is somebody at Red Bull tryna get the brand trending after a week of Ferrari and Merc headlines. 
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:41:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chaas67]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi: I have no idea about these sorts of things, but, if it was a clear cut case against Horner or at least clear cut allegations against him, wouldn’t RB suspend him pending the outcome of the investigation? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tobysi: Originally Posted By fredegar: Hearing into Red Bull team boss ends without resolution - BBC AKA, this thing will now play out over weeks and weeks. Safe ThreadTM I have no idea about these sorts of things, but, if it was a clear cut case against Horner or at least clear cut allegations against him, wouldn’t RB suspend him pending the outcome of the investigation? This smells more of a power play as suggested by the internet influencers, etc. If there was evidence of a legitimate issue it would have swiftly been dealt with. No corporation in the world wants to get on the wrong side of the #metoo and purple hair brigade. The lawyers are on a fishing expedition and hoping something lands in their lap or peer pressure forces Horner out. |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 6:46:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fredegar: Hearing into Red Bull team boss ends without resolution - BBC AKA, this thing will now play out over weeks and weeks. Safe ThreadTM what is JVers problem? Not enough championships  "The controversy is taking place against a backdrop of reports of splits and tension within Red Bull, among them claims that motorsport adviser Helmut Marko and Jos Verstappen, the father of Red Bull's three-time world champion Max, have taken against Horner." - |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2024 7:08:35 PM EDT
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I wouldn't be in the least bit shocked if when this is all done and settled, irrespective of whether the decision is favorable or unfavorable to Horner, the leak sources and issues trace their way back to Jos V.
I wouldn't be shocked at all... |
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Posted: 2/9/2024 7:10:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadow_Dancer: I wouldn't be in the least bit shocked if when this is all done and settled, irrespective of whether the decision is favorable or unfavorable to Horner, the leak sources and issues trace their way back to Jos V. I wouldn't be shocked at all... Nope. Max will go down as one of the great drivers of history. Jos will go down as one of the great shit-stirrers of history. |
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