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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:08:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So then award half points for qualy and go home. They have not had a "Race" in Monaco for years. It has become a very loud Parade. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And by the way not looking forward to Monaco. Most worthless track on the circuit. That race is for celebrities and rich people. Period. There’s not racing involved in that pathetic street course. Monaco needs to be dropped. The sport has moved on... that track sucks. And replace it with what? Monaco quali is the most insane sports spectacle of the year. So then award half points for qualy and go home. They have not had a "Race" in Monaco for years. It has become a very loud Parade. No one is forcing you to watch it |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 9:14:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indycar has refueling and frankly I don’t think it adds much. It allows less flexibility in changing strategies and makes the leaderboard deceptive until sometimes the very end. Just my opinion. Indycar has multiple pit stops every race because the cars need fuel. Many races in F1 only have one pitstop. Alex Albon went the entire race distance this year on the same tires and pitted on the last lap. More pitstops always make for a better race. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:25:39 AM EDT
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Refueling also put car with different weight on the track and this is great
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:01:31 AM EDT
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I will watch qually, because it IS the race. Case in point, 2018 RIC has no KERS and NOBODY can even get close to passing him. Monaco has become a joke. Since it is a joke, why go through the EXPENCE since there is a spending cap. It would really make the point as to how much of a joke it has become if some of the teams just didn't show up. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:18:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indycar has multiple pit stops every race because the cars need fuel. Many races in F1 only have one pitstop. Alex Albon went the entire race distance this year on the same tires and pitted on the last lap. More pitstops always make for a better race. Your own example of Albon shows we already have a bunch of different strategies? Albon basically did a 0 stop, and then there were a bunch of 1 and 2 stop strategies. Safety cars already have a huge impact on races. They totally ruin races in Indy Car. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:09:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Without Monaco we wouldn't have experienced this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qatbj2UqKU4I was just a kid, but I still remember this like it was yesterday. One of the few time the Toleman/Hart engine made it to the finish line, but it made it! 
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:29:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Refueling also put car with different weight on the track and this is great That’s the key. It really opens up the strategy and you have more variation in the speed of cars on track. Fast cars become slow with heavy fuel loads and slow cars become |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:33:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I will watch qually, because it IS the race. Case in point, 2018 RIC has no KERS and NOBODY can even get close to passing him. Monaco has become a joke. Since it is a joke, why go through the EXPENCE since there is a spending cap. It would really make the point as to how much of a joke it has become if some of the teams just didn't show up. The person who qualified in pole position has only won 50% of the time the last 10 years. That’s much less predictable than many other races have been. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 12:59:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The person who qualified in pole position has only won 50% of the time the last 10 years. That's much less predictable than many other races have been. Now I don't know if I want Charles to get pole or not! Going back 22 years (really 23, but 22 Monaco GP's) and that average still holds at 50/50. Interestingly though, all race winners over that same time have started from 3rd or higher. (11 from pole, 7 from P2 and 4 from P3) |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:10:33 PM EDT
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Quote History@Plumber576 Seems like I could view the standings a while back and can't now. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:33:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I will watch qually, because it IS the race. Case in point, 2018 RIC has no KERS and NOBODY can even get close to passing him. Monaco has become a joke. Since it is a joke, why go through the EXPENCE since there is a spending cap. It would really make the point as to how much of a joke it has become if some of the teams just didn't show up. Ignoring the MGU-K was good for the first 1/3 of the race, and the lapped car that pitted and came between them for a while. It's not like we are used to seeing a dozen passes for the podium per race at any track. The aero in the past has made passing very difficult. Hopefully we will see it easier to pass than previous years, but if not it's still a venue I very much enjoy. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:38:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting stat. Now I don't know if I want Charles to get pole or not! Going back 22 years (really 23, but 22 Monaco GP's) and that average still holds at 50/50. Interestingly though, all race winners over that same time have started from 3rd or higher. (11 from pole, 7 from P2 and 4 from P3) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The person who qualified in pole position has only won 50% of the time the last 10 years. That's much less predictable than many other races have been. Now I don't know if I want Charles to get pole or not! Going back 22 years (really 23, but 22 Monaco GP's) and that average still holds at 50/50. Interestingly though, all race winners over that same time have started from 3rd or higher. (11 from pole, 7 from P2 and 4 from P3) That kind of shoots holes in the “start in the middle, avoid the pileup at the front, steal a victory” strategy. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:39:49 PM EDT
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Michael Schumacher arriving to the grid for the 2002 US Grand Prix.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:42:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Plumber576 Seems like I could view the standings a while back and can't now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like I could view the standings a while back and can't now. Here are the standings I update the sheet after every race. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 3:53:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems like I could view the standings a while back and can't now. Here are the standings I update the sheet after every race. Thanks for replying to him, DCV. Saved me tagging you! |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 7:21:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems like I could view the standings a while back and can't now. Here are the standings I update the sheet after every race. So I’m not doing horrible despite not having watched F1 for 3 years before completing the survey. 
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Posted: 5/25/2022 8:29:22 PM EDT
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Despite all the shit talking about Monaco, admit it, who wouldn't want this in their basement?
 Word’s most amazing car slot track - Monaco Grand Prix |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 12:13:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That kind of shoots holes in the “start in the middle, avoid the pileup at the front, steal a victory” strategy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The person who qualified in pole position has only won 50% of the time the last 10 years. That's much less predictable than many other races have been. Now I don't know if I want Charles to get pole or not! Going back 22 years (really 23, but 22 Monaco GP's) and that average still holds at 50/50. Interestingly though, all race winners over that same time have started from 3rd or higher. (11 from pole, 7 from P2 and 4 from P3) That kind of shoots holes in the “start in the middle, avoid the pileup at the front, steal a victory” strategy. Monaco doesnt have a first corner that causes wrecks. Hell the area they start at precludes any diving to gain position at all. You win Monaco by starting at the front and not screwing up. Hell, Danny Ric won it a few years back while down over 60 hp just due to the lack of passing opportunities. You gain spots from pit strategy and attrition, not from actually racing on track. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 1:18:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Despite all the shit talking about Monaco, admit it, who wouldn't want this in their basement? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao7xk7NawCMThat's really amazing. A feast for the eyes. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 6:42:40 AM EDT
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Woke up today thinking it was Friday
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Posted: 5/26/2022 7:17:54 AM EDT
[#21]
80% chance of rain on Sunday
31% of you predicted that Monaco would have the most DNFs of the season, you may be right 
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Posted: 5/26/2022 7:22:59 AM EDT
[#22]
Joe Saward’s most recent blog.
https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2022/05/26/green-notebook-from-la-dynamite/ Most speculate, but Joe usually knows. France and Belgium (Spa) are done after this year. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 7:30:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Joe Saward’s most recent blog. https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2022/05/26/green-notebook-from-la-dynamite/ Most speculate, but Joe usually knows. France and Belgium (Spa) are done after this year. Losing France is fine with me but Spa is my favorite track and it would be a travesty to lose it. IMO there is no way it's leaving the calendar after all of the money they just spent renovating and resurfacing it. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 7:53:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Losing France is fine with me but Spa is my favorite track and it would be a travesty to lose it. IMO there is no way it's leaving the calendar after all of the money they just spent renovating and resurfacing it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Joe Saward’s most recent blog. https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2022/05/26/green-notebook-from-la-dynamite/ Most speculate, but Joe usually knows. France and Belgium (Spa) are done after this year. Losing France is fine with me but Spa is my favorite track and it would be a travesty to lose it. IMO there is no way it's leaving the calendar after all of the money they just spent renovating and resurfacing it. Since most won’t read the whole article, below is the reasoning for dropping Spa. Access is a problem for a number of famous F1 tracks, although Monaco and Monza are both served by railways, which makes life easier from them. But when it comes to places like Silverstone, Spa and Paul Ricard, it is a problem. The tragedy of Spa-Francorchamps is that it once had a railway station in the village and the path of the railway is still there, although the tracks were torn up in the 1970s and the path left was turned into a cycling track. A station would be invaluable today. I mention all this because both the French and Belgian GPs are at the end of their current F1 contracts and the signs are that neither event will be renewed. Paul Ricard is struggling to meet the fee demands from the Formula 1 group, but Spa is in trouble because despite support from the Walloon provincial government – which understands the value of the event for the region – the venue has serious problems with access. Spa has undergone a massive rebuild in recent months, in order to make it safer and to allow the track to run motorcycle races again, but the access problems will not go away. Last year’s Belgian GP washout created horrendous snarl-ups after the usual car parks turned to mud – and fans parked wherever they could. And then didn’t see a race… Obviously the weather does not help and although the hard core fans still love Spa – and so they should – it is not what Formula 1 is looking for these days. It is a long circuit but has a small crowd capacity of 75,000, which means that even when full (which it is thanks largely to the Orange Army that marches south each year from Verstappenland) it cannot produce the kind of numbers that F1 wants to see. Spa’s Commercial Director Stijn de Boever was in Barcelona for discussions with F1, but the word is that the series promoter isn’t too keen on doing another deal, even if the provincial government ups the money, which it is willing to do. It may be considered a crime against humanity by hard core F1 fans not to have a race at Spa, but the sport wants to appeal to fans of all kinds – and Spa does not fit in this respect. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 9:24:38 AM EDT
[#25]
Fuck that. No Spa = no F1.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 10:06:43 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that. No Spa = no F1. Getting rid of Spa would probably turn a lot of people away from F1. I can't say I would be in favor of that. I kind of like France, too. I would hate to see either of them go. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 10:40:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2022 10:41:04 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Monaco doesnt have a first corner that causes wrecks. Hell the area they start at precludes any diving to gain position at all. You win Monaco by starting at the front and not screwing up. Hell, Danny Ric won it a few years back while down over 60 hp just due to the lack of passing opportunities. You gain spots from pit strategy and attrition, not from actually racing on track. It used to. They have widened the corner so it's not as bad as it was. However, if you watch this video, Turns 1, 5 and 10 are the crash turns for Monaco.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 10:43:14 AM EDT
[#29]
Wouldn’t miss France a bit, but dropping Spa? I’m out. Adding Vegas or another race in a despotic Middle East country doesn’t make up for losing a classic track like Spa.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 11:15:27 AM EDT
[#30]
LOL Kimi is going to do a Nascar Race @ Watkins Glenn in October!
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.world-champion-raikkonen-to-make-top-tier-nascar-cup-series-debut-at-watkins.5FbXhXAEWQR6WX1HRqEQFq.html?fbclid=IwAR3DQ90eM03yS5SNsfGnJ4Mg9Xz6GxiUoKNZYnwNZoaoCYazAyP-Wwb1vHA |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 11:39:14 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that. No Spa = no F1. This Spa Monza are untouchable |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 11:40:07 AM EDT
[#32]
I won't quit if they remove spa, but I will write a strongly worded tweet.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 11:49:10 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This Spa Monza are untouchable Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck that. No Spa = no F1. This Spa Monza are untouchable And Silverstone IMO, they're all epic tracks. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 11:54:42 AM EDT
[#34]
lol at Verstappenland
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Posted: 5/26/2022 12:13:12 PM EDT
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It's nice that there seems to be a unifying topic in the F1 thread here.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 12:45:35 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Despite all the shit talking about Monaco, admit it, who wouldn't want this in their basement? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao7xk7NawCMAwesome! Too bad the person that filmed it didn't flip their phone. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 12:57:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome! Too bad the person that filmed it didn't flip their phone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Despite all the shit talking about Monaco, admit it, who wouldn't want this in their basement? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao7xk7NawCMAwesome! Too bad the person that filmed it didn't flip their phone.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 1:01:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This Spa Monza are untouchable It predates the WDC for petes sake. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 1:03:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The two F1 circuits I had always hoped to get to before I die. Losing Spa would be awful. Monza has been the only circuit to appear every year of F1 since 1948. It predates the WDC for petes sake. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This Spa Monza are untouchable It predates the WDC for petes sake. Cutting Monza would be unspeakable. 
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Posted: 5/26/2022 3:17:32 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that. No Spa = no F1. Fucking THIS! My favorite race every year. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 3:18:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2022 3:25:31 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking THIS! My favorite race every year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck that. No Spa = no F1. Fucking THIS! My favorite race every year. 
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Posted: 5/26/2022 3:49:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, the video sucks. I tried to look for something better but couldn't find it. That track is awesome though. Had me looking up Scalextric stuff last night. Stumbled across this showing my wife the Monaco slotcar video.  The World's PREMIER Slot Car Race Track! A Day with Jimmy Attard (Short Documentary) |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 5:13:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/26/2022 6:30:31 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistorySupposedly a Seecamp 32. Seems a bit low rent for Bernie and you’d think he’d have a bodyguard and wouldn’t need to carry. Think they’d let any of us just post bail and leave the country? |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 7:03:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supposedly a Seecamp 32. Seems a bit low rent for Bernie and you'd think he'd have a bodyguard and wouldn't need to carry. Think they'd let any of us just post bail and leave the country? 
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Posted: 5/26/2022 7:22:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck that. No Spa = no F1. Agreed. By far my favorite track too. Couldn’t care less about Paul Ricard, horrible tract to host an F1 race. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 7:30:20 PM EDT
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Quote History"Simpneycrosby" lol.. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 7:35:42 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryDidn't Bernie get kidnapped, robbed or something in Brazil a few years ago? |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 7:43:32 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't Bernie get kidnapped, robbed or something in Brazil a few years ago? Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't Bernie get kidnapped, robbed or something in Brazil a few years ago? His mother in law was kidnapped and later released. Jensen Button had an incident in 2010 with an armed group (possible attempted kidnapping). |
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