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Posted: 7/11/2023 9:48:34 AM EDT
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/mp-22-mag
 No threaded barrel AND a manual safety, it’s a no from me. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 9:49:45 AM EDT
[#1]
I can live with the safety but no threaded barrel is a dealbreaker.
Surely it will be an option at some point. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 9:50:43 AM EDT
[#2]
That’s an ugly SOB.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 9:51:05 AM EDT
[#3]
Rimfire with no threads? No.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 9:51:56 AM EDT
[#4]
They took a page from glock and decided to charge extra for a threaded barrel? Imagine if someone sold an AR today without a threaded barrel. That company would last a week. The pistol should be sold threaded and if the owner decides they can order a non threaded. And yes I get that they save 10 bucks per gun by not threading.They also just got to keep one gun on the shelf for not having threads
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Posted: 7/11/2023 9:52:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can live with the safety but no threaded barrel is a dealbreaker. Surely it will be an option at some point. If it had a threaded barrel then MAYBE I could live with the safety. The barrel can not be threaded like the M&P 5.7 barrel because that threaded sleeve is causing baffles strikes. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 9:54:03 AM EDT
[#6]
What's the muzzle velocity with magnum ammo?
Is there sub-sonic ammo for the .22 magnum like there is for the .22 LR? Off to get more smarterer. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 9:55:17 AM EDT
[#7]
30+1 shots.
$650 Seems interesting. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 9:55:29 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If it had a threaded barrel then MAYBE I could live with the safety. The barrel can not be threaded like the M&P 5.7 barrel because that threaded sleeve is causing baffles strikes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can live with the safety but no threaded barrel is a dealbreaker. Surely it will be an option at some point. If it had a threaded barrel then MAYBE I could live with the safety. The barrel can not be threaded like the M&P 5.7 barrel because that threaded sleeve is causing baffles strikes. 5.7 is causing baffle strikes from the protector? |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 9:59:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 5.7 is causing baffle strikes from the protector? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I can live with the safety but no threaded barrel is a dealbreaker. Surely it will be an option at some point. If it had a threaded barrel then MAYBE I could live with the safety. The barrel can not be threaded like the M&P 5.7 barrel because that threaded sleeve is causing baffles strikes. 5.7 is causing baffle strikes from the protector? I’ve seen multiple posts on Reddit from people saying they have gotten baffle strikes from different cans all using the same gun (M&P 5.7). I have never heard of a baffle strike on a rimfire can until the M&P 5.7 came out. S&W threaded a removable sleeve that fits around the barrel (not the actual barrel). |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 9:59:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They took a page from glock and decided to charge extra for a threaded barrel? Imagine if someone sold an AR today without a threaded barrel. That company would last a week. The pistol should be sold threaded and if the owner decides they can order a non threaded. And yes I get that they save 10 bucks per gun by not threading.They also just got to keep one gun on the shelf for not having threads I see quite a few people commenting that not having a threaded barrel on this pistol is a deal breaker. Cool. Buy another new .22 mag pistol that comes from the factory with a threaded barrel. Be sure to leave us a link to that pistol. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:02:41 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there sub-sonic ammo for the .22 magnum like there is for the .22 LR? Off to get more smarterer. Winchester makes a 22 Mag in subsonic. It’s basically a 45 grain 22LR at that point. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:03:58 AM EDT
[#12]
I love that S&W is playing monkey see monkey do with the Keltec catalog.
Really. I would have bought this instead of the PMR-30. But I already have a PMR-30 and it is actually pretty badass so for me they are probably a bit too late. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:05:35 AM EDT
[#13]
30rds of 22 magnum sounds like a shitload of fun. It’s a nicer PMR30
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:07:28 AM EDT
[#14]
Smithers, release the hounds
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:08:02 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can live with the safety but no threaded barrel is a dealbreaker. Surely it will be an option at some point. Threaded barrel on a 22 Mag pistol is about as pointless as it gets. You have a ton of unburned powder coming out the end of that thing. Just enjoy the fireballs and buy a .22LR for ninja shit. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:09:35 AM EDT
[#16]
Now do it picket sized Smith and Wesson
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:10:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see quite a few people commenting that not having a threaded barrel on this pistol is a deal breaker. Cool. Buy another new .22 mag pistol that comes from the factory with a threaded barrel. Be sure to leave us a link to that pistol. U mad. I have several rimfires from 22 Lr to 17 Hmr. Only the one AR upper is threaded. I regret buying the non-threaded guns and will never be buying another non-threaded rimfire. I would have hoped gun. Impatiens started to understand that |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:11:40 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I see quite a few people commenting that not having a threaded barrel on this pistol is a deal breaker. Cool. Buy another new .22 mag pistol that comes from the factory with a threaded barrel. Be sure to leave us a link to that pistol. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:11:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: U mad. I have several rimfires from 22 Lr to 17 Hmr. Only the one AR upper is threaded. I regret buying the non-threaded guns and will never be buying another non-threaded rimfire. I would have hoped gun. Impatiens started to understand that Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I see quite a few people commenting that not having a threaded barrel on this pistol is a deal breaker. Cool. Buy another new .22 mag pistol that comes from the factory with a threaded barrel. Be sure to leave us a link to that pistol. U mad. I have several rimfires from 22 Lr to 17 Hmr. Only the one AR upper is threaded. I regret buying the non-threaded guns and will never be buying another non-threaded rimfire. I would have hoped gun. Impatiens started to understand that Thanks for the link. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:12:10 AM EDT
[#20]
The S&W third generation catalog is a mess. A bazillion derivatives, special versions, and I learn about a new old gun every week.
I see S&W hasn't changed their ways. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:13:07 AM EDT
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I have 2 PMR30’s (one is unfired and an impulse buy) but I would love to compare the Keltec to the M&P.
That said, my older PMR30 is very reliable so far. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:17:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have the reason they dont? Or is it that they cheap out because its a niche gun ? Rock island sells one . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I see quite a few people commenting that not having a threaded barrel on this pistol is a deal breaker. Cool. Buy another new .22 mag pistol that comes from the factory with a threaded barrel. Be sure to leave us a link to that pistol. Post a link with the new Rock Island .22 mag with the threaded barrel please. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:17:50 AM EDT
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I'd be more interested if .22WMR wasn't the same price as 9x19.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:18:23 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Post a link with the new Rock Island .22 mag with the threaded barrel please. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I see quite a few people commenting that not having a threaded barrel on this pistol is a deal breaker. Cool. Buy another new .22 mag pistol that comes from the factory with a threaded barrel. Be sure to leave us a link to that pistol. Post a link with the new Rock Island .22 mag with the threaded barrel please. The RIA gun is a POS |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:20:10 AM EDT
[#25]
Who thinks of this shit?
So out of touch. Give us a Shield Plus in 10mm. 
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:20:25 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Winchester makes a 22 Mag in subsonic. It’s basically a 45 grain 22LR at that point. Yeah that was a disappointment. How about a 75 grain or better bullet? |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:23:02 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah that was a disappointment. How about a 75 grain or better bullet? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Winchester makes a 22 Mag in subsonic. It’s basically a 45 grain 22LR at that point. Yeah that was a disappointment. How about a 75 grain or better bullet? Even a 55 gr sub would be nice. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:29:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be more interested if .22WMR wasn't the same price as 9x19. yea .22wmr is a little cheaper than 9mm around here but its still only about .6-.8cpr cheaper I cant really think of a real use for this pistol, its more of a "hey thats cool" range toy. I like that you can put a dot on it though. Anyone recognize what the optic footprint is? |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:31:51 AM EDT
[#29]
The KelTec PMR-30 is an extremely fun pistol with very sketchy build quality.
If this pistol retains the fun factor while adding some quality and an optics cut, it's going to make some people happy. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:32:50 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the muzzle velocity with magnum ammo? Is there sub-sonic ammo for the .22 magnum like there is for the .22 LR? Off to get more smarterer. Yes there is a Winchester 45 grain subsonic |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:34:58 AM EDT
[#31]
This shows that Kel-Tec should be an R&D company for other manufacturers.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:35:49 AM EDT
[#32]
 Meh |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:51:58 AM EDT
[#33]
Who quit Keltec and went to work for S&W?
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:56:00 AM EDT
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The PMR 30 that I have has been fantastic. I see no need to give S&W an extra 200 bucks after they are 10 years late to the party. To each their own I guess.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 10:59:45 AM EDT
[#35]
I gotta get on with my day, and I know how this ends.
I saw several people complaining that this new pistol did not come with a threaded barrel. I asked for a link to a factory built .22 mag auto loader with a threaded barrel. None were posted. None will be posted. For the GD armchair weapon designers, the .22 mag is not an easy cartridge to make work in a semi pistol. (And no, it is not because the .22 mag is higher pressure relative to the .22LR. They are the same.) Adding an unknown amount of (highly leveraged) weight and an unknown amount of back pressure demolishes the working factory formula of slide weight, spring tension, and unlock delay. So complain about the barrel all you want, and you may get an aftermarket threaded barrel, or maybe even a factory threaded barrel for a muzzle brake, but getting a factory threaded barrel for a suppressor for a .22 mag pistol is highly unlikely. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:02:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:08:46 AM EDT
[#37]
I kind of like it but agree with it needing a threaded barrel.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 11:35:02 AM EDT
[#38]
In stock at PSA for $599 with free shipping: https://palmettostatearmory.com/smith-wesson-m-p-22-wmr-4-35-30rd-pistol-black-13433.html
lol |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:02:46 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Threaded barrel on a 22 Mag pistol is about as pointless as it gets. You have a ton of unburned powder coming out the end of that thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Threaded barrel on a 22 Mag pistol is about as pointless as it gets. You have a ton of unburned powder coming out the end of that thing. By that logic, threaded barrel on a 5.56mm SBR is just as pointless. Even if it doesn't suppress as well as other calibers, it's still worth suppressing. I won't buy anything I can't run my suppressors on any more. Quoted: I gotta get on with my day, and I know how this ends. I saw several people complaining that this new pistol did not come with a threaded barrel. I asked for a link to a factory built .22 mag auto loader with a threaded barrel. None were posted. None will be posted. For the GD armchair weapon designers, the .22 mag is not an easy cartridge to make work in a semi pistol. (And no, it is not because the .22 mag is higher pressure relative to the .22LR. They are the same.) Adding an unknown amount of (highly leveraged) weight and an unknown amount of back pressure demolishes the working factory formula of slide weight, spring tension, and unlock delay. So complain about the barrel all you want, and you may get an aftermarket threaded barrel, or maybe even a factory threaded barrel for a muzzle brake, but getting a factory threaded barrel for a suppressor for a .22 mag pistol is highly unlikely. I am not a firearm designer, but my understanding is that the biggest issue with 22 Mag handguns is feeding reliably. Most are fixed barrels and even if not, a rimfire suppressor is light enough to run without a booster. It shouldn't affect function on a properly designed handgun. One of my biggest issues with the PMR30 is that Keltec says don't run them suppressed. If you're going to come out with a 22 WMR pistol, you should consider the fact that suppressors have become a pretty big market. To say that noone should bother designing a threaded 22 WMR is just silly. With that logic, why did we ever progress beyond single action revolvers? Making a reliable semi auto handgun was considered a difficult task at one point in history as well. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:05:42 PM EDT
[#40]
Oh JFC...
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:07:42 PM EDT
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Don't care for the design proportions..
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:10:07 PM EDT
[#42]
Looks awesome but I don't shoot .22 WMR. Wish it was .22 LR.
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:11:13 PM EDT
[#43]
Looks like a Kel-tec jammomatic POS to me.
That's a sizable no for me dawg. It's probably not worth two-fifty if the truth were known. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:13:39 PM EDT
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What kind of Kel-Tec reject caveman does S&W have designing their guns?
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:28:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can live with the safety but no threaded barrel is a dealbreaker. Surely it will be an option at some point. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:36:31 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 30+1 shots. $650 Seems interesting. 13 years behind KelTec and almost double the price. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:40:33 PM EDT
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50 rounds of 22 mag hollow points is about $15.00
50 rounds of 9mm hollow points are about $45.00 50 rounds of 9mm FMJ are about $15.00 |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:48:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can live with the safety but no threaded barrel is a dealbreaker. Surely it will be an option at some point. This |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:53:39 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They took a page from glock and decided to charge extra for a threaded barrel? Imagine if someone sold an AR today without a threaded barrel. That company would last a week. The pistol should be sold threaded and if the owner decides they can order a non threaded. And yes I get that they save 10 bucks per gun by not threading.They also just got to keep one gun on the shelf for not having threads Pretty sure there are some AR manufacturers selling ban-era ARs into the communist states w/o threaded bbls. They seem to be doing fine. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 12:57:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure there are some AR manufacturers selling ban-era ARs into the communist states w/o threaded bbls. They seem to be doing fine. What AR barrel company’s profit rides on unthreaded ban barrels? The nanny-ban barrels are a tiny margin of any company’s sales, kept afloat by selling threaded barrels to the rest of America |
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